The F word

CJV (@somuch2say) 10 years, 9 months ago

I want to know what you all think about the "F" Word, Feminism. When I googled it to provide a basic definition on here I got ALOT of different things but here is a generic one: "Feminism – the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men."

This has been coming up a lot in different readings I do. I am very involved in mental health specifically eating disorders so it comes up a lot.
I want to know if people think it’s a good thing, a bad thing, or anything they may think about it.

As a woman, I think that the ultimate goal is a positive one. Think of a world where women and men are actually treated as equals in all aspects. But i really do think that some important aspects are ignored such as the celebration of gender differences. And beyond that what about racial differences and cultural differences? Within our differences I think we find our real similarities of being human that transcend any superficial difference. I really want to see more emphasis on human-ism.

February 25, 2011 at 1:55 am
Bryan Hellard (307)M (@xyver) 10 years, 9 months ago ago

Well, I think that some people push it way too far… I mean, its a biological fact, men and women are different. Women will be better at some things, and men will be better at others. Its just how it is… Of course, equality like equal wages and everything should be equal, but some women complain too much about things that dont need to be/shouldn’t be/ can’t be changed.

Also, a thought, as feminism rises, chivalry shrinks.

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Jess (0) (@jessmonster) 10 years, 9 months ago ago

I think the word ‘feminism’ has come to have very negative connotations. Just mention the word ‘feminism’ in a group of people and wait for the eyes to start rolling. It summons images of the typical ‘feminist’: a man-hating, bra-burning, fairly masculine woman with an aversion to shaving and personal hygiene. But the reality is that most feminists are simply intelligent, independently-thinking women with ideas about making the world a better place.

OK, maybe I’m being idealistic. There are man-hating bra-burners out there too. But my point is that feminists on the whole are working to liberate women from the so-called demands of our society – encouraging women to question and examine why they do the things they do, and empower them to act out of their own desires and needs rather than outwardly imposed social constructs.
And when hardcore feminists rant and rage about makeup and leg-shaving and all the rest, it mostly comes from a place of wanting women to realise that they have a choice about these aesthetic alterations, and should not feel compelled to act in any particular way because society has told them they won’t be attractive otherwise.

Feminism has a major role to play in the world. Of course, everyone has a different definition of it, but from my point of view feminism stands for a mindset and set of values based around empowerment, freedom of speech and respect for everyone – not just women.
I’m not saying that women and men ARE equal – one look at physiology/brain chemistry will tell you that – but should be treated as having equal value. Everyone has something to offer, and we should all be liberated enough to contribute what we can.

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Alex Eastman (71) (@alex) 10 years, 9 months ago ago

I don’t believe in sexism as much as, if you can do the work, and want to,then do it. If you are five-three and way 100 pounds, don’t go all feminism hate if they don’t want you being a steel worker. Same with men.
Each half of humanity is equal, but not in the same ways. Men have always been strong and tough and filled with rage and testorone because they generally did the fighting during evolution while women are more perceptive due to social activities, foraging and preparing food….and I hate to say it but usually smarter in one way or another. Of course, many times men and womens traits may blend. Einstein is a genius, there are body-builder women that could shot-put me across a football field.
it doesn’t matter what gender, race, height, smell or whatever, as long as you can do the work. (equal pay if you work as hard. Pay should be on quota if anything)

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Martijn Schirp (112,780)A (@martijn) 10 years, 9 months ago ago

Im all for equal political, social and economic rights for women. But feminism is way broader than that. Presumptions of society, womens role in consumerism and the dominant force of mascular language are a few examples. Because of this women in general have to cope in a male dominated society which represses strong feminist forces. It definately is something to pay attention to and i agree with alot of feminist theories.

On the other hand, I will never be convinced E=mc2 is a sexist formula.

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Nightowl (260) (@nightowl) 9 years, 6 months ago ago

Just gotta say this, due to the title of the thread…

FUCK

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ButternutSquash (75) (@equanimity) 9 years, 6 months ago ago

Feminism can be a great topic for both sexes because it gets us talking about what we feel is lacking in society. In my feminism classes, we discussed the rift between classes in society, ageism, consumerism, white privilege, and so on.

Addressing any one of these issues can open up dialogue and urge us to look at the ways in which we move through society. I am a feminist, but not an extremist.

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DaJetPlane (994)M (@lytning91) 9 years, 6 months ago ago

@shaniquaaa, the only way of getting rid of inequalities between men and women, having already gone this far in a negative direction, would be to press the reset button. It’s SO deeply rooted into our lives (sometimes in ways that we don’t consciously sense) that I cannot see it ever ceasing so long as the country it is seeded in continues to thrive without any major societal shifts (maybe the increasing number of immigrants will purge some of it out)

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Anonymous (0) (@) 9 years, 6 months ago ago

“Equality may perhaps be a right, but no power on earth can make it a fact.” – Honore de Balzac

http://www.nexuslearning.net/books/holt_elementsoflit-3/Collection%204/Collection%202/Harrison%20Bergeron%20p1.htm

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Anonymous (2,654) (@) 9 years, 6 months ago ago

I’ve seen slogans saying that feminists fuck better. I think it has something to do with the attention-whorism.

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ButternutSquash (75) (@equanimity) 9 years, 6 months ago ago

@beyond, What does that have anything to do with actual feminism?

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Anonymous (2,654) (@) 9 years, 6 months ago ago

@equanimity, everything, as long as someone takes themselves too seriously and gets annoying as fuck.

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pat (169) (@epath) 9 years, 6 months ago ago

I have friends who say, “I’m not a feminist but I belileve in equality.” That is all it is; forget whether each sex their own talent and strength. It means that nobody but you has the power over you.

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John (23) (@iamhigh) 9 years, 6 months ago ago

Feminism create a larger duality.

It’s worsening the plight of women just like National Black People Month just makes me notice slavery again.

If you bring up the negative aspects of something, it still creates room for it to exist.

Just be a girl who’s awesome and girls will get more respect. Girls don’t need to strut around demanding respect. To me that just makes them look sillier and more out of place.

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SamIAm (0) (@sammom4k) 9 years, 6 months ago ago

This topic brought me back to a (whatever it’s called) I saw on a page on this site. <>
Everyone is a genius. But if you judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing it is stupid. (albert einstein).

Like someone else who mentioned it, some things women can do better than men, some things men can do better than women. Or, perhaps it should be said that some women can do some things better than some men, and vice versa.

True feminism is the belief that despite your sexual characteristics, you have true genius which is not limited by your sexuality.

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ButternutSquash (75) (@equanimity) 9 years, 6 months ago ago

@beyond Haha. Fair enough.

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BirdFlyingHigh (152) (@birdflyinghigh) 9 years, 6 months ago ago

“Feminism is the radical notion that women are people”

Women deserve to be nurtured, educated, to have their own space in which to grow strong.

I agree with this. I’m a feminist. I try to focus on the issues that actually impact womens’ lives – forces that take away choice from women.

Not all men will understand feminism, because a lot of it is about things that specifically affect women. I’m ok with that and don’t judge guys too harshly who don’t pick it up immediately.

I love men who love strong women. :)

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Anonymous (2,654) (@) 9 years, 6 months ago ago

@birdflyinghigh, so basically… feminists are people who are against men who are mommy’s boys.

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BirdFlyingHigh (152) (@birdflyinghigh) 9 years, 6 months ago ago

@beyond, That’s an odd thing to get from my post. What makes you say that?

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Anonymous (2,654) (@) 9 years, 6 months ago ago

@birdflyinghigh, I thought about that, because we can all imagine our mothers… how they became these strong people just because they raised little brats like us. That’s a strong woman for me. I can just see how some women have different definitions for the word “feminist” and it’s like they just want to put themselves in some “I am a strong woman” label. And I’m asking myself, ok, why not just… A WOMAN. It’s the ungrateful momma’s boys who don’t respect women and men like they should. And I have a great amount of disrespect for complaining bastards. No matter what their label or gender, or title, or social status. :)

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pat (169) (@epath) 9 years, 6 months ago ago

c” @xyver, I think people have used the physical differences too much. For example, they use the fact that men go to war or do dangerous jobs, so women shouldn’t do those jobs or get paid more (in other jobs!). However, there are women on the front line in Afghanistan and were in Iraq. They were not assigned to units, but were “attached” to units. They have died in combat there, and won purple hearts and silver stars. Women in the military, police force, and jobs that require extreme physical fitness believe that not everyone is capable of running 20 miles with a fifty pound pack, so “uniform physical fitness standards” should be met by both men and women. I know women who work on farms, on oil rigs, on fishing boats in Alaska, and other jobs that many men could not do. People should be hired for their fitness and not for their gender.

Chivalry, or courtesy, should be displayed to all people, especially those who need help for whatever reason. I am physically weak and often need help–so do some men– but I am not mentally weak. I appreciate assistance, but that doesn’t mean that I need care in all areas.

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Anonymous (2,654) (@) 9 years, 6 months ago ago

@epath, I am sorry if I am disrespectful to your friends, but… equality and believing in equality are two different things. It’s the people who cannot accept losing, that are making everything worse. I hate women and men who just cannot acknowledge what they’re actually doing. For example, let’s say that a man wants a job and a woman is better for the job, more qualified. Some men won’t “take it like a man and shut the fuck up”, but they’ll rather say “I lost the job because of a woman” – and here’s where the bullshit happens. This guy isn’t even considering that he’s actually NOT qualified.

I’d like to share a quote I heard, I think it’s by Confucious, but I can’t find it, so I’ll paraphrase.

Heaven and Hell

Heaven is a place where all people are gathered around a big table with all the food they could imagine, and they have big sticks/forks/spoons they can use to eat it.

Hell is a place where all people are gathered around a big table with all the food they could imagine, and they have big sticks/forks/spoons they can use to eat it.

So what’s the difference between heaven and hell?

In heaven, people share their food, give it to others, share it.

In hell, everyone charges towards the food to be there first.

That’s equality.

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BirdFlyingHigh (152) (@birdflyinghigh) 9 years, 6 months ago ago

There’s always this to consider:

http://imgur.com/I8LnK

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pat (169) (@epath) 9 years, 6 months ago ago

@beyond, Are you sure you mean me? Anyway, I am not against what you are saying. It is just simple, if you can do the job, do it; if you can’t, shut up. But don’t judge people by their gender; give them a chance first.

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Oscar (0) (@myexistence) 9 years, 6 months ago ago

Feminists should rebrand themselves as Taoists, so should everyone else!
As a concept I think Feminism is rooted in equality. Most decent mindful people believe that every human being deserves to be treated equally regardless of things like gender, race, sexual or cultural orientation. Feminism at its core is a human rights movement. People who roll their eyes upon hearing the word feminism probably haven’t given the issue enough thought. It’s easy to be flippant about issues which don’t directly affect you. But there are women out there in parts of the world who aren’t allowed to drive, work, vote, speak or even show their faces. The excuse given by men and woman from Arab regions for this oppression is that it is part of their culture and religious beliefs. This is unacceptable rhetoric. In Medieval Europe it was part of “cultural” and religious practice to burn women to death, accused of practicing black magic!
I feel feminism needs to be understood in historical and geographical context to be understood at all. Women who preach about not wearing makeup etc are trying to define themselves in opposition to common conceptions of femininity, supposedly forced on them by a male dominated society. I don’t think these women have really thought enough about it either. I mean, women wear makeup to make themselves appear more physically attractive. For the most part, this is to appear more physically to MEN. Our species survives because we propagate. And we have a desire to propagate due to having evolved to find the other sex attractive. (gay men and women notwithstanding!) The physical characteristics we find attractive in a mate are evolutionary and primal. For instance we (men and women) tend to find people who are in good shape more attractive than people who arent. Facial symmetry is another thing which tends to get us going too. We are conditioned to be attracted to the healthiest mate, with highest chance of helping us have a healthy, physically strong child with the highest chance of survival. its just biology. But manifests in men as finding the hot bombshell attractive. or in women, finding the hunky guy attractive. Makeup hides imperfections ad helps to make the face look more symmetrical and thus appealing. This is not some ideal which men arbitrarily demand. Its just basic attraction. Women should feel empowered simply for being a woman, because the natural order affords her power over men which does not cut both ways. New age negative feminism which champions deviation from forms of femininity which are ubiquitous and moreover evolutionary, are more akin to black power advocates than the civil rights activists campaigning for equality.
Embrace differences and accept change, and youre on the right path..

in the meantime, Tits! :D
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTYyWDgwMA==/$(KGrHqJ,!l!E8EqSozg6BPKlU3v!LQ~~60_3.JPG

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Anonymous (2,654) (@) 9 years, 6 months ago ago

I don’t think we’re attracted to the healthiest person. Different genetics, different health issues and attractions. But it’s true that a lot of people get obsessed by standards. I don’t find obsessed people attractive, I find them stupid and stupidity is repellent, de-evolutional and with unhealthy minds. Science. It’s quite easy to look physically disgusting, you know.

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