The John 13:34-35 Mind-Fuck

 Ray Butler (@trek79) 7 years, 9 months ago

John 13:34-35 “A new command I give you: Love one another, as I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

An analysis of this scripture, in my interpretation, will reveal why everyone has missed the point.

Jesus said “A new Command I give you…” never in any other part of the Bible does Jesus explicitly give a Command, so this alone separates it from the entire Bible as primary, if you choose to acknowledge “The New Covenant” that is.

There was one other scripture that a man asked Jesus of the 10 Commandments, which is most important, be basically said; the first four are about loving your God, the following six are about loving others, so one could break it down to 2 Commands “Love your God with your whole heart, mind and soul(body” and Love your neighbours as you would have them love you”. But Jesus didn’t Command us to love God, he just analysed the 10 Commandments and interpreted them, as I am currently doing with John 13.

I conclude that loving one another, as we would envision Jesus intended, is tantamount to loving God, by loving each other we automatically meet the requirements God would expect of us. But to keep in mind that Jesus loved Sinners, probably more so than he did the men of Law, because a Sinner is not rigid in ideological dogma, one is easier to teach the importance of love above all.

But this is where the Mind-Fuck comes in; by accentuating the importance of this scripture, as he did with the “Command”, he also created a paradox where it is impossible, for someone who understands it, to go beyond it. The scripture becomes the basis for which all other scriptures need for context, and in effect rendering the rest of the Bible relatively moot. So a scripture that makes the authority of the Bible obsolete, which would ask if that means the scripture itself is also obsolete, at which point the entire Bible returns to authority, but that scripture renders that authority obsolete again; A Paradox.

This scripture effectively reduces the Bible to something of introspective worth but useless as a tool for enforcement beyond what one may impose on themselves.

January 26, 2014 at 11:12 pm
Anonymous (30) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Hmm, sounds like every other book on the shelves… :)

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Precisely ;) It is a great little piece of literature, obviously well done by measure of its success, but ultimately it is blown way out of proportion as an authority to dictate peoples lives, except when used personally in ways that do not rub your faith onto an unreasonable expectation from others.

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Anonymous (328) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

All these new books have to get their ideas somewhere. No matter how diluted and modernized, you can still somehow trace a literary piece to its’ origin. The Bible oozes of social and political critique, the “rebel genius”, “the all-seeing entity”, “the tortured revolutionary”, class struggle, “evil money”, “the traitor”, etc… You could argue all these ideas came from the Bible. Who knows…

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Anonymous (30) (@) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Eh, I think those ideas come from life itself. There are only so many things we can experience as humans, which is where all the storybook archetypes derive from. The Bible may be very popular, but it wasn’t the first book ever written.

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Anonymous (328) (@) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Yeah of course. We are still a generation that is polished with these concepts and imagery. (No matter what other religion you convert to for social status.) It surely isn’t the first, also it isn’t just somehow popular, it was forced.
“Burn all other books but the Bible, kill anyone who opposes the Bible.” (Imagine all the other awesome books that were censored)

It’s become engrained in what we call “Life”. So in a way… we’ve imitated the Bible for centuries. That is why most would think that it is just like any other book. That is because it is exactly the same thing. They are just cultural revisions of an old outline. So when someone reads a book and it just so happens to tickle the right strings that make one feel good, it’s because that is what we have grown up to appreciate. So the Bible has become what we call “Life”, carried on by hundreds of authors, directors, actors and artists. (Regardless if you are religious or not)

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Anonymous (30) (@) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Good point!

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

I tend to think the Bible, more specifically the Torah, was written to unite the Jews and it uses quite a few effective techniques to do that, I don’t think the validity of the events described was as relevant as the goal of unity and order, and that is where it found real success and has remained so attractive to authorities that seek to focus the strengths of the people.

And yes, a lot of eras in human history have featured book burning phases, other eras simple had poor literacy instead, but same result, less education and less free-thinking makes a much more gullible and controllable population.

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Anonymous (328) (@) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Yezzur. It’s all about the emotional experience of it. True or not… It’s just a twisted rewrite of a rewrite. Each time with a different agenda, or maybe to fit the certain demographic of the time. Man… We never learn.

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

There are levels to this book that most don’t know exist. But those topics always fall to the wayside in life, and on this site.

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Anonymous (57) (@) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

You mean the lackluster double/triple meanings scattered throughout the book that a dude 2000 years ago was able to write up?

So advanced.
Much praise.
Such bullshit.

You are such a genius for being able to read something that you think ‘most’ people can’t understand properly.
Stop jacking yourself off.

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

If that is what it tells you then that is fine by me. As it only proves my first post as being correct . I turn over my own stones and not yours.

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

You toss judgement at me without even knowing what it is that you are criticizing.
And non of what I say about this book is coming from a Religious point of view.
I never said I read things others don’t understand, you said that. I was making a simple
point that proves it’self by it’self.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Yes, there are quite a few things that are spot on about the Bible if you interpret them a certain way, and few people find those ways. Looking at quantum physics they basically say how sound gives the universe substance, or more specifically resonate frequencies create force, and the Bible says how at the beginning God spoke a word, which is linkable to the sound/resonate frequencies that give the universe substance.

Another thing is the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil; eating the fruit gave Adam and Eve conceptual abilities that made them aware of ideas, like their nakedness for a start, the idea that they will be punished for disobedience, whereas before they ate the fruit they had no concept of how God would feel about their transgression. Then you can get into morality, without the concepts of morality sin would not exist, it would just be non-connotative aspects of nature. And ultimately the concept of time, past and future, they became aware of their own mortality, hence inherited death.

So there are a lot of ideas expunged by the Bible that are not immediately evident and generally people do not make the metaphorical connection.

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Anonymous (57) (@) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

I passed judgement on your making an unsubstantiated bigoted claim with no supporting argument.
The judgement was because your post served no purpose but to support your own personal belief claim, which you didn’t even care to go into detail on. Just left it as vague as hell.

If all this offends you, then heck, please just explain what levels us lesser beings are unaware of, so my mind is not forced to make the conclusions on missing information.

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

What served no purpose to you may serve one for someone else. Also I never said you were a lesser being. We see what we want to in other peoples words I suppose. We can look for deeper levels in it all, or not be bothered to.
I only need to support my claims to myself. Others can take them or leave them.
These levels have been known since ancient times and are not only for me to know about. It’s obvious to me that the well learned mystics of the middle ages knew far more about these things than I do. It was only my intention to expose these other levels to others that may not know of their existence. These matters have already been discussed on this site many times on threads about Kabalah and the Tree of Life. The study of those things will shed light on what I was implying.

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Anonymous (57) (@) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

I’m not sure how to summarize a few years of thinking in this sentence.
But in terms of how the mind copes with strategy and fear, the bible inhibits free thinking after a certain plateau in paradoxical reasoning
It had it’s uses on the monkeys.

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lifegamer (28) (@lifegamer) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

An outstanding compilation, indeed! Much food for many thoughts within one binding.

However, if this one particular book of “Do stuff this way, Human!” got us to the states We are in right now, which it most certainly had/has great & unarguable influence in such matters…Then perhaps a new cover should be generated…”For 2000+ yrs., ‘This Way’ Has Not Worked Well for Human Society!”. Let’s make good note of this fact, & then, let’s move other-‘wise’. Perhaps, with a boogie-woogie beat in Our steps, & No Words to the song…just expression through sounds!

I find it ever-comical that humans imagine an Amazing Being, capable of All Creation, that only gives a hoot about Earth-humans…That in All the galaxies, universes, dimensions, rocking & rolling of It’s spark, this being is only focused on Earth-human existence, not to mention that ‘He’ is made to be a needy, demanding/commanding beast of a Creator, who like to torture Earth-peeps, much the same as humans are/do.. LOL! What utter primitive arrogance!!!

I sooo enjoyed your paradoxal point, Ray…Fun find! I will have to bring that up to the JW ladies that I invite for tea now & then…Though, I don’t think they are allowed to just sit & enjoy company of peacefulness & intellect exchange, & perhaps I get them to giggle too much of their worries of Life…They don’t stop by anymore except to leave their little booklets during blue moons…fully armed by elder comrades, I will add. Perhaps I should let them open their Bibles while sipping fine ta-ta…Naaaah! I like to opportune their devout ‘rote-ness’…and it’s my only ‘rule of gathering’ . Anyway, if I get the chance, it would be interesting…Thanks! :D

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Thanks. I actually did a fair bit of study of the Bible with JWs, I’m not what is considered religious but I do have an academic interest in it. I figure a lot of people are very religious and to be able to connect with them in any way you have to speak their language, not the language you yourself speak, otherwise they just drone you out. So rather than destroy peoples faith, I opt for guiding it, pointing out the stuff that isn’t immediately obvious when they study, and give them things to consider sourced of the same place they get their beliefs.

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