The Kybalion

Brianna (@briannabbycks) 8 years, 9 months ago

Has anyone read The Three Initiates’ “The Kybalion” ?
If so, I’d like to know your thoughts on it.
I’ve stumbled upon its teachings, or rather, it stumbled upon me, and its been the most truthful ‘book’ I have ever encountered.

February 19, 2013 at 4:32 pm
AntLive (14) (@onlyicontrolme) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Right. I listened to the audiobook over 10 times on Youtube. After learning about the lies and otherwise false information that we are surrounded by, I tore down almost my entire belief system. The kybalion has been one of the cornerstones for my new one….

I don’t mean to sound sexist but I am surprised that a girl would enjoy it? I would assume it would be boring to most women.

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Brianna (29) (@briannabbycks) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@onlyicontrolme May I ask how you found the Kybalion ?
To be honest, I don’t quite remember how I stumbled upon it, but once I did, my mind was opened. I could never tire of its teachings. In the introduction, they state that when a pupil is truly ready, they will stumble upon the book. I have yet to find anyone else who has read it, so I’m glad you’ve replied.

I love audiobooks. You might be interested in some of Alan Watts’ lectures as well. He shares Eastern philosophy, which is easily verified by the Kybalion as well.

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AntLive (14) (@onlyicontrolme) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@briannabbycks, Well, since I turned 21 I have been on a serious journey of self-discovery and I went from Christianity to business books like Think and Grow Rich to Self Improvement books like 7 Habits and then I turned to Youtube. I love the easy access and almost endless variety of info it offers but somewhere throughout my CRAZY exploration of YT I ran across the audiobook to the kyballion and from the instant I heard that intro you talked about, I knew I found something special. I have listened to Alan Watts also. Honestly, I can’t differentiate his work in my mind right now from the hundreds of hours of audio I have listened to LOL.

Hey, you should check out the YouTube Channel “NewWellnessLiving”.
The uploader puts up these kind of audiobooks. The only thing is they’re read by this female robotic voice that a lot of people can’t seem to stand but to me the information is SO valuable that I couldn’t care less about who’s reading it. I actually like the robotic voice better because human readers have the tendecy to emphasize something THEY feel is important and I like to decide for myself. But yeah, if you find that you like the reading style there is a ton of great audiobooks there…

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Brianna (29) (@briannabbycks) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

( @onlyicontrolme) After reading the Kybalion, everything I’ve experienced and perceived have proven the Hermetic principles to be true, and I see life by those laws, although most of the principles are simply common sense that I had not realized. Such as the male and female gender of “The All” (The Fatherhood of God, and Motherhood of Nature) Haha. I actually laughed at the realization.

I will definitely check the channel out, thank you :) Do you have any favorites for me to begin with ?

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Brianna (29) (@briannabbycks) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@onlyicontrolme

Haha, I just now saw your comment about not meaning to be sexist haha. I kinda like that you’re surprised that a woman would be interested in such a book, but I think you’d be more surprised to learn that I’ve only just turned 18 :P

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DANM!! (107) (@deej) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@briannabbycks, I’ve read the Kybalion as in the free pdf online. Great book that truly changed, or more accurately cleared some thoughts and pulled together other of my higher thoughts. I’ve read it once but my plan is to read it again and KNOW it. This kind of information is only useful when read as more than an article but studied.
However, try not to hold anything as the holy grail of info except your own experience!

Has anyone found a good way to effectively implement these “rules” into everyday life?

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AntLive (14) (@onlyicontrolme) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Nice. Yeah alot of guys like dumb girls because they think they’re “easy” But I think there is nothing sexier than a smart girl. I guess I don’t need my girls easy :)

As for suggestions…the Hidden Power by Thomas Troward. Or the Real Me by Mildred Mann. But honestly, I have not started listening to any of them I have not absolutely enjoyed.

Heres a link to the channel http://www.youtube.com/feed/UCiMVGCMyHLLtLcOGvVA9EDA

Heres one to the Kybalion audiobook
http://youtu.be/rdQlmnA7kCU

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Brianna (29) (@briannabbycks) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@deej

The only way I’ve been able to implement the principles into daily life, is only to be more conscious about them during daily life. I don’t think you follow the “rules,” as they apply to everything (The “All within “The All”) and they are referred to as “the Laws” (of life)

So I think we live through it and incorporate it into the way we see the world.
So far its helped me a lot with accepting the universe, and everything that happens to and around me.

I’m still a mere pupil, still have alot to learn :)

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Brianna (29) (@briannabbycks) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@onlyicontrolme

Thanks so much ! Definitely checking out the channel. :)

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Devin (17) (@scotch) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I’ve read it and own it. just received it back from a friend who i let read it. Great stuff, really helps you understand a lot of things. I can see how the Newtonian’s thought they could apply the scientific method to anything, as above so below right?

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DANM!! (107) (@deej) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@briannabbycks, hey your right! I don’t have to implement rules that are playing on me, that are me. Just be concious of it. Thanks that was an Aha moment ;)

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DANM!! (107) (@deej) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@briannabbycks, “We cannot express powers that we do not possess. The only way by which we may secure possession of power is to become conscious of power, and we can never become conscious of power until we learn that all power is from within.”
– Charles F. Haanel

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Nick (554) (@splashartist) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Good book with great teachings if understood correctly.

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Brianna (29) (@briannabbycks) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@deej Great quote :D

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Brianna (29) (@briannabbycks) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@splashartist

Its hard to tell whether I am understanding it correctly; as the book states that all truths are only half-truths.

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Nick (554) (@splashartist) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@briannabbycks, if something it is said, then it is half truth. This is because of the dualistic (separating one into two) mind. Full truth cannot be expressed in words, only experienced.

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Taylor Little (71) (@tlrlittle) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@briannabbycks, Sounds really interesting, been looking for a new book. You’ve inspired me to go check it out

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Brianna (29) (@briannabbycks) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@tlrlittle I hope you enjoy and learn from it :)

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Taylor Little (71) (@tlrlittle) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@briannabbycks, I’m 5 chapters in and love the ideas behind it. Especially how it explains the idea of polarity, and flow between them. Applies to so many things and it’s just a perspective I’ve never considered before. The idea that good and evil are really the same thing, kinda blew my mind

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Uza (36) (@lechuza) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I just finished it yesterday and was thinking about making a thread…. yeah, it is great.
It is like the foundation of everything, you can see it’s principles everywhere. And I have also been alternating it with Alan Watts lectures, I really recommend doing that, they complement each other really well and it helps to understand both things better.

These kind of materials should be studied at school instead of being kind of hidden teachings.

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Uza (36) (@lechuza) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Oh, I would also like to say to whoever is thinking about immersing into those materials, before you do it, and while you are at it, try to be aware that it is useless to accuire all that wisdom if you don’t put it in practice. Try constantly to apply to your dailiy life every principle. It is really easy to be blown away with a great realization that has completley changed your perception and forget it the next second as soon as a problem pops up in your life. Always go back to the principles.

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Brianna (29) (@briannabbycks) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@tlrlittle, I’m glad you saw this thread and felt inspired to check the book out, and thrilled that you are enjoying it ! I’ve never found more truth in anything than in the Kybalion, and its quite humorous to me, because the principles only draw attention to things we experience and perceive on a daily basis. The book gives a face to an awareness we weren’t aware that we were aware of hahaha. Its wonderful :)

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Brianna (29) (@briannabbycks) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@lechuza,

Yes, you are exactly right ! I read Alan Watts’ “The Art of Zen” prior to reading the Kybalion, and the two books really complimented each other in a way that really internalized with me. But I’m not satisfied with reading them just once, they are books I plan on studying more in depth.

And you are exactly right about these teachings needing to be studied in school. I am currently in highschool, and I usually spend my time in class studying what I feel SHOULD be studied. (I do pay attention in class, but nothing maintains my attention more than my self-education)

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KevinC (2) (@kevinc) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@onlyicontrolme,

Having read some of your posts on this thread, I would like to help you upgrade your communication skills so that you will not unintentionally present yourself as rude to fellow commentators, and to people you meet out in real life.

“I don’t mean to sound sexist but”

If you find yourself about to say something like this, insert record-scratch SFX, and stop. Because, what’s about to come after is almost certain to “sound” (or, ahem, “be”) sexist. If, after acknowledging that fact yourself, you plow right on and say it anyway, then the person you’re talking to is fully entitled to think that you do, in fact, mean to be sexist.

But let’s assume that you don’t want to be sexist. While you’re stopping yourself and applying the record-scratch SFX, you can take this time to challenge the premises of what you’re about to say. Is it in accord with reality? What evidence do you have? What contrary evidence? In this case, you were already talking to a young woman interested in the Kybalion, so you could have considered that prima facie evidence that your assumption–that girls can’t be interested in the Kybalion–was false. Then, set it aside for later evaluation and get on with enjoying a conversation about the Kybalion.

“I am surprised that a girl would enjoy it? I would assume it would be boring to most women.”

Here you have just told Brianna that she’s a remarkable specimen of her otherwise inferior gender because most women apparently can’t wrap their pretty little minds around man-stuff like the Kybalion. And yes, that does sound quite sexist. You see, women are human beings, just like you. Like you, they are capable of the entire range of human interest and thought. In fact, it’s possible that one of the Three Initiates could have been a woman.* I find it somewhat remarkable that you would have this assumption if you’ve spent any time at all exploring the Steampunk-era occult scene, because it’s hard to do so without encountering the massive influence of figures like Helena Petrovna Blavatsky and Annie Besant, or the presence of a number of prominent female members of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. There really is no evidence to suggest that the quest for enlightenment, or Hermeticism in particular, is a boys’ club because ‘girls aren’t interested in that stuff.’

“Nice. Yeah alot of guys like dumb girls because they think they’re “easy” But I think there is nothing sexier than a smart girl. I guess I don’t need my girls easy :)”

You got very lucky that Brianna wasn’t offended by this (or that she decided to be exceedingly tolerant and forgiving), because there’s a lot of weapons-grade sexism in this one. First of all, it perpetuates the stereotype that men (with the exception of remarkable you, of course) prefer stupid women, and therefore, in order to be attractive a woman must hide her intelligence. Then there’s the whole “easy”/”not easy” thing, which implies that a woman’s value is based (one way or the other) on where she sits on the Virgin-Whore scale. If a man has lots of sexual partners, he’s a stud, a hero. If a woman has lots of sexual partners, she’s a ‘slut’–which means she’s treated as contemptible to the point that it’s OK to rape her if she withholds consent (‘She’s a slut–she was asking for it’). If a woman abstains from sex, then she’s a prude, and held in contempt for not ‘putting out.’ Kindof a heads we win, tails you lose’ game, don’t you think? Why not just accept that both men and women are sexual beings, we both like sex, and it’s OK for both to have, or not have, sex as they choose, and no one gains or loses status by either choice?

Now, I think you most likely meant to complement Brianna here, but you should be aware that a lot of women would not be complemented. ‘You’re smart. My boner likes that. You’re welcome to be one of “my girls”‘ is…well, there just isn’t a more gentle way to put it than to say…sexist. Let’s say you wanted to complement a man on his intelligence. You probably wouldn’t say something like, ‘Dear sir! After reading that last post, why, I might just be willing to turn gay for you, because you see, my boner highly approves of intelligence. So, I salute you, if you know what I mean.’ You’d probably just say, ‘Dude, that post was brilliant!’ or some such. You can do the same thing for a woman.

By complementing Brianna’s intelligence in terms of how that makes her sexually attractive to you, you have (perhaps unintentionally) defined her value in terms of how well she could serve as a sexual object. ‘Most men like stupid sex dolls. I prefer intelligence in mine, so I think you would make a fine sex doll for me.’ Since women often have to struggle to be treated as ‘just people,’ to have their intelligence valued as intelligence rather than as a positive or negative sexual attribute, to deal with men who express surprise at any sign of competence, intelligence, etc., it should not be surprising that quite a few will be highly offended or hurt by such talk. So, in a nutshell: “Guys, don’t do that.”

Just say ‘Brianna, you must be really smart!’ or something along those lines, and you’re golden. I wish I had possessed as much Hermetic knowledge as she has when I was 18. :) Ah, the mistakes and dead-end pathways I could have avoided.

Returning to the topic, I haven’t read the Kybalion yet (downloaded the PDF for later), from what I’ve read about the Hermetic tradition in other sources, it definitely seems to expressed an enlightened view, especially in contrast to the prevailing cultures in Greco-Roman and Christian times. No clergy or political power-structures, no infallible text to believe uncritically or be punished, no money scams, just a process of inquiry. :) One of the interesting things I’ve read somewhere (maybe in the companion book to Robert M. Place’s Alchemical Tarot) was that (some of?) the medieval and renaissance alchemists taught that a man could not complete the Work alone, but needed to perform it in partnership with his wife (called a “Soror Mystica,” a mystic sister) because the interaction of both gender poles was necessary.

For any Hermetically-oriented individuals interested in employing the Tarot, I recommend The Alchemical Tarot by Robert M. Place, as it employs Hermetic symbolism derived from original alchemical texts. The companion book provides a comprehensive explanation of the symbols and their meanings. http://www.alchemicaltarot.com

*In case the link I tried to give above does not work, please go here: http://www.kybalion.org/ and click on the link for “Who were the authors.” The scroll down to the bottom for the link to the Google translation of “I Tre Initziati.”

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AntLive (14) (@onlyicontrolme) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@kevinc, Damn, that’s scary that so few words from me inspired such a reaction from you. I personally think you are being a bit sensitive but that’s just my opinion just like you obviously have yours. I don’t want to start an argument or anything but I will say that I stand by everything I originally said, being I wasn’t intentionally looking to offend anyone and that, my friend, is one great benefit of living in a country where you are allowed to exercise free speech. Take care.

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