The love of God

Manimal (@manimal) 8 years, 10 months ago

“I form the light, and create darkness.

I make peace, and CREATE EVIL.

I the LORD do ALL these things.”

-Isaiah 45:7

So, believers… you say that God is good and loves you, and so on and so forth…
…yet he creates evil, and harms you over and over.

How do you explain that?

Th-th-that’s all, folks!

//ƹᥨ⎱Ꭷɳ

December 1, 2013 at 12:46 pm
Ed (40) (@orange) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

SPOILER: God’s not real.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@orange, Oh no you didn’t just say that… how could you?
Won’t you please think of the children? You’re just making generalisations and stating your own opinion.

Well, I’m running out of canned butthurt reactions (not really, but you get the point) so I’m just gonna end with some patronizing gibberish and maybe something vaguely insinuating about your mother, intended to upset you. Because, being of a feeble mind I mistakenly believe that such things work and that sane people would actually take some offence.

Oh, and I almost forgot…

God Loves You

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Drew (15) (@flash13) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@manimal Well this verse illustrates that God controls all aspects of creation. God allows certain evils to occur to bring out greater goods, or sometimes it is because of the greater goods that God has allowed.

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Living Stone (153) (@cloudstuck) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@manimal, How could God love you if he gives you everything you need. That is not love. That is blind protection. God creates evil to balance out the world. God crates evil because he has left us with free will to decide. He has given us the power to choose. So of course he loves us.

What’s this posts intention anyway?

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Drew (15) (@flash13) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@cloudstuck, I have to disagree with you that God directly created evil because God is love. Evil is the rejection of what God wants, so God wouldn’t create evil. God created freewill which allows evil to occur, but it also allows us to love God out of our own will.

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Living Stone (153) (@cloudstuck) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@flash13, yeah I can dig that. Personally I have no idea…probably never will. But yeah, evil being created from free will makes the most amount sense. I guess when I said “god creates evil to balance out the world” i was more referring to yin and yang…and not necessarily evil.

I guess god ‘allows’ evil through free will and his creation of us, and I guess that’s what the original post is referring to when it says “i the lord do all of these things”, because ultimately it is all manifested from the same thing. It’s just that the massive question mark lies within us, so we don’t truly know. We only feel. And we can be honest with ourselves and feel that evil is only really created within us. But hey…I don’t know nothin’.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@flash13, Dude, what the actual hell?

It says right there in the HOLY fucking BIBLE, the very definition of christianity itself… that God literally creates evil.

If you believe the opposite, you are not christian.
If you believe in a God that doesn’t create evil, you do not believe in God. You believe in something else.


@cloudstuck
, God created free will, eh?

If our will was given to us by a creator, it is not really free will, is it? If God sets the boundaries for this world, he sets the boundaries for our will, and thereby it is not free will.

If God creates everything, he creates your will, and your every thought.
If you have God, you have no free will.

And about the balance thing… if God is an omnipotent master creator who can do whatever he wants… anything he created would be perfect and fully balanced already. Even if the whole universe was just a horse floating around in syrup. There would be no need to add or remove anything, because it would already be balanced.
If there was such a need, then God would not be perfect, almighty, or even all-knowing. He would just be groping in the dark, and then the question is… why would you worship such a god?

About God’s will… there are countless religious doctrines who believe in this one almighty creator God. And I’m not just talking about the three big abrahamitic religions.
Some of these teachings claim that God has no will, that we’re just free to do whatever we want and that’s all there’s to it.
Some claim that God’s will is for us to replace everything that is already God’s perfect creations (the good old natural order of olden days) with fake, man-made abominations (like western society) and perversions of nature.
Some claim that God’s will is for us to be the biggest, baddest wolf among all the sheep.
Some claim that God just wants to torment us.

What makes you so sure that your idea is the correct one?
Even when some of those other doctrines make a whole lot more sense?

Where is the actual reason and logic behind a religious belief?
Hmmm?

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Drew (15) (@flash13) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@manimal, You think that everything written in the Holy Bible is written literally? The Bible is made up of 73 different books written by multiple authors in completely different time periods and you think they ALL wrote in the literal sense?

The writers, especially in the Old Testament, used analogies and metaphors to describe how powerful and awesome God is because there are no words that could literally describe how powerful and awesome God is. This is because God is greater than everything combined, including our words.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@flash13, “You think that everything written in the Holy Bible is written literally? The Bible is made up of 73 different books written by multiple authors in completely different time periods and you think they ALL wrote in the literal sense?”

-Haha, that is trivial but correct, although irrelevant data.

The religion comes from the doctrine, the bible, not the other way around.

And things can’t really get more literal than “I create evil.”
That’s some edgy metaphor right there haha, nope.

“The writers, especially in the Old Testament, used analogies and metaphors to describe how powerful and awesome God is because there are no words that could literally describe how powerful and awesome God is. This is because God is greater than everything combined, including our words.”

-Again trivial but correct, although irrelevant data. And ironically, the worshippers have clearly misunderstood the lions share of the metaphors and analogies.

Sure, some people describe God as more awesome than everything combined time infinite billions… but what makes you so sure they’re not just taking the piss?
Really?

If I write a book about a glorious entity called Gunlög the piss ant, and tell people that she created everything and that she has some orders for them to follow, and that following these orders will make them better people than those around them…

…would that make it true?

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Living Stone (153) (@cloudstuck) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@manimal, haha, lol. Dude, you need to calm down. Why do you need to try so hard to define things? To pigeon-hole what Christianity is and isn’t. I’m just saying it’s possible that what the bible is referring to when it says “god created evil” is that god is the entire existence. God is life. So if evil exists, it has been created in the form of god.

I’m not sure man. I find this whole thing useless. God is god to some. Life is life to others. What does it matter. We all see this world through different eyes. Nothing is wrong.

Also, just to clarify, your comment; “What makes you so sure that your idea is the correct one?”

…I said many times that I don’t actually know :)

Peace brother.

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Drew (15) (@flash13) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@manimal, “The religion comes from the doctrine, the bible, not the other way around.”

Actually the Roman Catholic Church decided what books made up the Bible, so the Bible technically comes from a religion. Doctrine is also written by the Church, so doctrine also comes from a religion.

“Haha, that is trivial but correct, although irrelevant data.”

If how the Bible is read is trivial, there wouldn’t be 30,000 different Protestant denominations.

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Anonymous (57) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Mentioning god just creates a paradoxical loop in the receivers head which the speaker then uses to slip in a few lines of manipulation that benefits their goals.

No different to saying you just Lost The Game, loop starts up in mind, and following words garnish more attention.

A monkey that was good at thought suppression created religion, other monkeys have learnt how to use the tool.
Evil was man made due to manipulation and desire to control.
God, if you will. Is us. All of us, playing The Game. The only game we could ever play, as it is the only thing that will ever be, and ever has been.
Matter and energy evolving to observe itself and interact with itself to create interesting stories and to learn, unlearn and then relearn the beauty of love and mastery of an art.

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Nick (12) (@iloveyou) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@cloudstuck, I think what he/she is trying to get at (I could be wrong lol) is an open discussion. Manimal may have come at this topic a bit furious like which I see often, and not always, with those who choose not to believe in ‘God’.

To me good and evil, right & wrong are opinions and biased. Now as this is my own opinion, people see things differently.


@manimal
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” “You think that everything written in the Holy Bible is written literally? The Bible is made up of 73 different books written by multiple authors in completely different time periods and you think they ALL wrote in the literal sense?”

-Haha, that is trivial but correct, although irrelevant data.

The religion comes from the doctrine, the bible, not the other way around.

And things can’t really get more literal than “I create evil.”
That’s some edgy metaphor right there haha, nope.

“The writers, especially in the Old Testament, used analogies and metaphors to describe how powerful and awesome God is because there are no words that could literally describe how powerful and awesome God is. This is because God is greater than everything combined, including our words.”

-Again trivial but correct, although irrelevant data. And ironically, the worshippers have clearly misunderstood the lions share of the metaphors and analogies”

I personally don’t see how this is irrelevant data. To this topic it’s relevant as it pertains to ‘God’ and people explaining what they believe in. With 73 books, different translations and over quite some period of time, things do get mixed up. My mom used to tell me that ‘God’ wouldn’t let man change the holy script. I never understood it, or believed it. So you can see the bible could have changed from what it once was. I use the term ‘God’ loosely, because it could be so different from one person to the next. Every has had experiences to what shapes them and their beliefs. Some may believe in this piss ant because it tickles them the right way. Some believe in Santa, Allah, Aliens, etc. A group of people have managed to make an image of god so that whenever that word is said it sparks up a debate on who is right & wrong.

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John (12) (@johnharris67) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@lexovix, That’s gotta be pretty damn close to the universal truth brother.

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Ed (40) (@orange) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@manimal, Oh Manimal! What are we going to DO with you!

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Anonymous (57) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@johnharris67, Why thank you. Off to university next year to learn the correct terminology to express it in a more scientific formal manner of fact way, but pretty sure I’ve stringed it together in thoughts at least; although still finding argument flaws every few days to find the counters too and/or in allot of cases simply adapt minor tweaks to entire structure too; but been like a freaking flood gate the last year patching like crazy.

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