The People You Know

Alicia Lee (@aliwine) 9 years, 8 months ago

I have had this feeling many times in my life, about my peers and my elders around me- where they just don’t get how I think. When I was younger it was like no one thought about the world and the universe like I did, no one questioned it. Then when I tried to ponder about these things to other people they just didn’t get it. I can probably count on one hand the people who I know in person who I have been able to have a deep conversation on this level with. I got over these feelings of “why don’t you get this it seems so simple!!”.

But now they are back, and this time it’s a lot harder to deal with because it isn’t “simple” things like wondering why things happen but wondering what the hell is going on with our government and what we can do to stop them. There are under 45, 000 “likes” for the occupy Canada movement on facebook- NONE of my friends but my boyfriend actually think and talk about these problems.

What is the world coming to? I feel disgusted by the lack of knowledge in the people that I know. As the professor meme says “I don’t want to live on this planet anymore”..

How can I make the ignorant open their eyes??

(I asked this before but in different wording)

May 24, 2012 at 10:16 am
Anonymous (2,833) (@) 9 years, 8 months ago ago

Floating in the river are logs! (anyone?)

That is what this site is for :)

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Anonymous (2,654) (@) 9 years, 8 months ago ago

I was going to respond to your other thread, but there’s not much to say. The occupy movements are doing a lot right now all over the world. This global collective wasn’t even possible before the internet became a daily experience. So, we’re actually doing a lot.

People don’t ignore what’s happening, they avoid what’s happening. Because every 2nd person is a coward. :)

Have you tried talking to new people about it, showed them what is really going on? As I said, I haven’t met ignorant people. Just cowards who have a reason to avoid something that would endanger their life.

When Anonymous provoked people to think and the occupy movements began, the only thing that kept the idea going is that the movement is leaderless. Medias call it demonstration. We call medias and politics, demonstrating politics and journalism. :)

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Alicia Lee (146) (@aliwine) 9 years, 8 months ago ago

@beyond, That’s very true about the coward part, I just find it frustrating. It bothers me when people won’t even want to talk about it or even hear about it. I just don’t want to see things fail because then I know all the people who stood by are to blame.

@ijesuschrist, True true, I’ve become a HEaddict =P

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Luigi (1,453) (@luigiblue) 9 years, 8 months ago ago

“And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.”

-Nietzsche

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Sean LeBlanc (76) (@bongodeburrito) 9 years, 8 months ago ago

Well your biggest problem is that you’re Canadian. Nah, just kidding. You can’t make people open their eyes. They have to want to. But most people would rather live in a state of blissful ignorance instead of seeing what really goes on. Its a lot easier for most people to watch Jersey Shore than spend a day watching History Channel Probes the Nazi Movement: From Birth to Today.

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Clementine (12) (@clementine) 9 years, 8 months ago ago

This is something I often ponder about too. I think the best way to open the eyes of others is to lead by example. Live and breathe what you believe. My greatest hope is that by setting an example we can inspire others to begin asking questions…of us and of themselves.

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No one will “open their eyes” if they don’t want to.

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Exist (12) (@exist) 9 years, 8 months ago ago

Something led you to believe that the ‘occupy movement’ is important whilst something else led them to believe differently. It’s ego again.

If you want people to understand:- spend a great deal of time questioning your ‘self’ and realise that it, and everyone else is for the most part unconsciously living by what other people have told them since they were young to enable them to conform with society. All of this garbage has accumulated for your entire lives, and that this is the way life has been unconsciously lived for the past thousand years or more.

A good article to start with would be http://deoxy.org/egofalse.htm

If you still find anything ‘urgent’ or ‘important’ at that stage, give these ‘ignorant people’ a question that will shake the very foundations of what they believe to be ‘reality’ but make damn sure you’ve worked through your own mental garbage first.

Generally the older people get, the more tied into their ego and beliefs they get so expect to meet some serious resistance if you are not yourself living by the advice you are giving (if you are, expect to meet no resistance at all, yet also expect that what you currently see as ‘an important issue’ from societies standpoint will likely have changed entirely).

In reality, age is a really terrible indicator of wisdom – another irritating manifestation of ego.

And yes there are some people who cannot bear to face change/awakening because they are so wrapped up in the stories that they tell and the ego that they cling so strongly to.. sometimes people need longer to blossom.

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Anonymous (12) (@) 9 years, 8 months ago ago

@aliwine, humans are very intuitive and very concerned with their own happiness (as they should be). They intuitively understand that thinking about those deeper questions like how universe works leads to a questioning of general society that wont help them continue the lives that they are currently living and they naturally avoid it out of laziness.

We HE peeps all realize that yes, thinking about this stuff might make it harder to live a decent life, but it is necessary in order to live a great life. I think the internet and all the information that it provides will slowly swing the masses over to thinking about everything you are talking about and eventually the problems will be solved. But by that point there will be some next level up of consciousness that the people on the edge are wondering why the masses aren’t at yet

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FindYourGreatness (345)C (@jpete011) 9 years, 8 months ago ago

@exist, @aliwine, The book, The Way of the Peaceful Warrior, is an excellent example of helping an unconscious person (clinged to their ego) come back to reality. It takes a lot of time and patience. Also, ultimately it is the person’s choice if they want to change or not. You cannot force someone to change or become ‘enlightened.’ You can give them small pushes in the right direction and support them, but they will have to find out for themselves

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Matthew (1,127) (@ojai) 9 years, 8 months ago ago

Where is that photo somebody posted?

It’s a comic of a bunch of people in subway cart with all the same thought cloud “I’m in a world full of sheep…” I forget the rest.

I agree, there is a loooooot of ignorant people. Just be very careful you don’t see too many people in this light, a lot of people may be the same. It seems to be that the people who want to illuminate their mind and try to “figure things out” are people who will strive to do so anyway (it’s what brought all of us to this sight, well besides stumbleupon for a lot of people haha).

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black17 (9) (@black17) 9 years, 8 months ago ago

@jpete011, thanks for the book advice it was not for me but I was looking something like that.

@aliwine, the situation you describe is hell.
But i think that’s the root of the problem.
The way of thinking,realizing and understanding .
We need to change that.
Try to make people see the other side ,the side that you see.
Tell them what you believe for them .
Tell them what you believe for the word….

As for you country and your government you are not so bad compared to my country, Greece …
We are experiencing the most painful economic crisis of all time …
20% of the people have no job
and 60% of the are under 30….
and people who work have take 50-75% of the money they took 3 years before with 5-10 working-hours more…
so how does that sound to you?

Therefore no one got out in the street to shout to assert , to fight
No one organized something somewhere that will help our economy …

In my opinion,”the ignorant” is the result of a “democratic” system that has become addictive,benign absolutism…..
all this in combination with lack of anthropocentric education….

So, give people a reason to fight
a reason to keep them alive and active brains
Free them from their prison from their alienation and from their dankness…

I hope i have helped…

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FindYourGreatness (345)C (@jpete011) 9 years, 8 months ago ago

@black17, No problem man! It’s a great read, let me know what you think of it after

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Th-0m (43) (@0negative) 9 years, 8 months ago ago

@aliwine I always have this problem, especially with the way I think, and wish to delve into. I try to talk about cosmic infinitude, it some how becomes a discussion on moon creatures. I try to talk existentialist values or the meaning of morals, it becomes a discussion about Hitler. I only know maybe 2-3 people in real life who I can honestly “talk” to. I don’t think it’s their fault, they just rather not be concerned with it. The same way we rather not be concerned with the things they are interested in.

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travisbickle (19) (@adamdavid) 9 years, 8 months ago ago

@alicelee The people you know seem to be averse to the “high country of the mind.” The place where the most general and more abstract concepts live. FEW PEOPLE TRAVEL HERE because there’s no real profit to be made from wandering through it. Yet like the material world, it has a beauty that to some people make the hardships of traveling through it seem worthwhile. Many people refuse to go near this high country because the thin air of uncertainty may cause one to answer questions of purpose and identity. There is a fear of getting lost and never finding their way out.

Of course you are not alone as a high country wanderer. There are many others, more than you think. The ones not in plain sight are often masked as realists and people pleasers in an effort to get by in the material world. If those in power and those subjected to them seem reversed, it is. It has been reverse ever since widespread Western adoption of Aristotelian philosophy

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Alicia Lee (146) (@aliwine) 9 years, 8 months ago ago

Well, I always just try to question people- tell them facts and make them think. Often with no response or “I don’t know”. Sometimes even “well my parents vote”. I know soon enough when the media finally breaks and has to talk there will be more people open to my point of view it’s just very frustrating in the mean time when I can’t get one person to sign a petition.

@black17, What is happening in Greece is awful- the rest of the world isn’t far behind though.

The entire world needs a new way of governing and running things, but no one has the answer. There are lots of hypothesis- but how do we know what’s right? We switched to democracy from Monarchy thinking that was the right choice. So I wonder, is democracy failing because it’s being done wrong, or because we need something else?

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