the pineal gland aka our third eye

Brian (@briancrawley2) 7 years, 8 months ago

So i recently have had reacurring dream that i was living two separate peoples life. When i fall asleep here in reality i wake up in a separate reality and Wich. Has lead me here and after talking to a few of the people on here i have been on Google researching things all night and came across a article about the pineal gland or third eye is there anyone else on here that believes in the fact that i. I could honestly be astro projection. My self to a alternative reality or could it just be im stressed from work any comments on this theory

September 21, 2014 at 7:29 am
Conner J. (1,558) (@connerj93) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

I believe that multiple realities exist at once with a person’s mind. It’s like a radio dial, and you’re the radio. You can purposefully or inadvertently turn the dials to witness or feel different frequencies coming in. I’ve had dreams where I fall asleep and I’m a five year old kid in Germany, or a twenty year old woman at a coffee shop talking with her ex. . . look up Dr. Rick Strassman’s theory on DMT and dreams.

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Ludwig (0) (@Ludas) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

I have heard and read about the pineal gland being able to produce DMT in humans, but I have not yet seen any scientific proof for this. Does anyone have more info regarding this?

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Anonymous (12) (@) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

I think it’s most absurd that people dismiss what happens to them as unreasonable. If it occurred, it was reasonable and should be seen as valid. Meaning your visions as well. You’ll go crazy if you’re trying to understand cognitively… anything that’s happening to you has most likely been experienced by someone else so if you want the validation you can read their stories. But your just prolonging the security you’ll feel from listening to yourself. I don’t think there is a climax to life though even if you listen to find your sense of direction based on your intuition. So there isn’t anything you need to figure out about this, just being comfortable with exploration. And calming your nervous system.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

The pineal gland is not the third eye. It’s part of the third eye, but it’s far from the whole thing.
The connection between this “third eye” and ESP is completely unfounded. The concept of ESP itself is a fundamentally moronic jumped conclusion.

We know that something is perceived in the mind’s eye, we don’t know what it really is and we have no idea how it happens. Period.
Any meaning or validity attached to these “experiences” is completely unfounded fiction.

When you dream, you hallucinate. Hallucinating means seeing and feeling things that aren’t real, your brain is fabricating experiences.
Astral projection is a silly concept, it’s just very vivid dreaming. You’re not really going out there, you’re just dreaming about doing so.

OBE has been debunked and disproven by science. It’s not a fancy spirit motion, it’s your body’s internal self-positioning system. Yknow, the thing that lets you have balance and know where your arm is and whether you’re standing up or laying down.
“Seeing” with closed eyes is no mystery. Your other senses give you the rough information and your brain gives you a mental image, this can be a very accurate mental image if you’ve seen your surroundings before closing your eyes.
Why are things bright in dreams and at the moment of death? It’s because they eye knows no difference between “nothing” and “light”.

All this stuff is so dumb. People can’t even be assed to look if there’s a simple explanation before they start making up fairytales.

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Anonymous (12) (@) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

I don’t know, where do all the “fairytales” come from? Why would things pop into our mind and heart that didn’t reveal who we really are? We can be scientists and pick apart the way our systems work, but it’s very limited and if you hear a calling based on a vision or feeling why not consider it mystical insight?

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Fairtytales come from something called imagination, using something called creativity. Their purpose may include such things as entertainment, allegories, and indoctrination. Usually just entertainment, but often all three.
Imagination is a function of the brain, which is a web of nerves suspended by fat. Utilising the pre-frontal cortex and the optical thalamus produces these things we call fantasies, visions, dreams. The brain can tell these projections apart from truly perceived things, but mishandling the creative thinking process this knowledge can be bypassed and this allows for silly beliefs that there is no such difference.

Calling something an insight when it is a projection produced by yourself, is making yourself a lot dumber than you really are. It literally means you’re making your own brain malfunction, intentionally. And that, jelica, is an absolutely psychotic thing to do.

Science is only limited by what has been discovered. New things are discovered all the time, and thus open up new doors for understanding and knowledge. There is no true limit to science, if you believe there is one you have gravely misunderstood what science is and means.

I enjoy my fantasies and dreams, and I often let them be my inspiration and guidance, but I recognise them for what they are and realise that trusting these things would be absurd and crazy.

I’m sure you have at some point in life dreamed of flying… but you can’t fly, can you? You can’t just jump off the roof and fly away. You don’t even attempt doing that, right?
When you understand WHY this is so, you will understand how and why you’re being incredibly silly to post something like that.

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Anonymous (12) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

There is a limit between what we imagine and what we can do, but no one knows what that limit is and if one believes it’s a clear line then they are probably going to miss out on the possible growth. Science is always second hand knowledge for those who didn’t do the experiments themselves so I prefer to trust my own science of myself, in which I find more possibilities exist for what is real than what can be proven tangibly. Insight isn’t something that everyone else can validate, it’s a first hand experience of something with an understanding of it’s nature so it can always seem to be a projection to someone who hasn’t experienced it themselves.

I didn’t really need an anatomy lesson and if you promote independent thought I find it hypocritical to demean a thought with the word silly. When people let the knowledge of what’s happening physiologically leave the mind for a second and come into what it feels like, it’s mysterious and hopeful creating the “spiritual” experience which I would also call self exploration, silly thoughts and all. It actually has more security in it than labeling what’s happening with words that people have made up.

It is dangerous to believe your imagination if the ideas planted are from someone else’s agenda. I think that gives imagination a bad reputation though. I’ll always have an image of Jesus in my mind bc it’s how I was conditioned as a child but I don’t think I should deny my intuitions, even if they can’t be proven by a scientific institution and integrated into humanity’s idea of reality.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

It is a clear line, but it would be foolish to try and make a claim where that line is drawn. We don’t know yet, but it is there somewhere. And we can reach this line in our lives, we do it often, but it’s a very very long line and we can’t be sure it’s a straight one.

Real science can be always be repeated. If it can’t be repeated, it isn’t scientific. Yeah it’s easy to just read or writes something and call it science, but that’s not what determines if something is scientific. And there is no agenda to real science. The only goal is understanding.

The problem with our inner experiences is that we can rarely tell the difference between insight and bullshit. And it’s even harder to tell if a thought or feeling is really one’s own, or just a trace of someone else’s bullshit, and whether said bullshit is just their misunderstanding or an intentional lie. In the latter case, there’s also the dilemma over whether their intention was good or bad, or whether there was an intention at all.

You’re doing just as much labelling with imagery and words when you look inward as you do when you look outward. You’re just as influenced by other things in either direction. And that’s not the whole thing, whether we’re looking inward or outward our perspective is also stained by our own silly beliefs.

I’m not the machine you seem to think I am. I am a dreamer, I’ve always been into mythology and fantasies and all sorts of far-fetched ideas and creativity. I have billions of silly thoughts at each and every moment, and I thoroughly enjoy that. Balance is essential though… and where there are hard facts, imagination is just redundant and stupid. There are so many other great things to ponder and imagine, wasting that on things where one is already proven objectively wrong really sucks.

Intuition is not something to trust, it’s just guesswork, it’s like a botched instinct that doesn’t really work. Trusting your gut is often a good way to go, but it is always a gamble.

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Anonymous (12) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

I don’t think words can really portray the deepest knowledge. I think it’s ignorant to use only your eyes, logic and words to measure truth. There are things to perceive that can’t be proven or spoken. That doesn’t mean it’s unreal. It’s all real. How much creative power you have isn’t the only measure of understanding. There is understanding that can’t be measured. I’ve never thought you were a machine. I don’t have any right to judge you or anyone.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Where did anyone in this thread advocate the practice of only using eyes, logic and words to measure truth? That’s right, it didn’t happen. From where do you conjure these accusations?

Everything that can be perceived can be proven or spoken, one way or another. All understanding can be measured, although we sure as hell don’t have the resources or know how (and generally not the fucks to give) to do practically any of that measuring yet.
Creative power does not call for much understanding, by the way. And vice versa. But they do synergise well.

Oh but you DO have the right to judge whoever you want, whenever you want, for whatever reason you want, no matter how stupid. Don’t put more limits on your brain, don’t take away your true birth rights, the freer your mind the better your thinking and understanding and imagination and energy.

What is it about your mind that you fear so much? I’ve asked you a bunch of times before and still wonder, so I assume it’s a touchy subject.

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Anonymous (12) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Yea idk this thread and the other one mixed up in my mind. I’m not afraid of my mind though… I’ve been using it this whole time. I do have the freedom to think anything, but with that freedom I choose not to overestimate my understanding of someone else and label them as something so one dimensional.

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lyfe (1) (@greenbreath) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

There was guy around 30 years ago (in that ballpark) that ahh used astral projection to point out things on Jupiter or in the orbit that were then discovered to be true several years later when NASA sent a probe there and found exactly what the man said they’d find

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

I read of this recently as well, can’t recall the exact reference either… One of many such instances in history…

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Except it… wait for it… isn’t real.
It’s just another one of those countless internet factoids that float around without anything to back them up, but with plenty of fools believing in it. Some may cite a source of some sort, which just cites another source, which just cites yet another source… and if you’d take a look at that original source… you’ll find that there is NO evidence of ANYTHING.

You want to believe in big things, and that’s great. But you choose ignorance, delusion and folly over understanding… and that is lowly. There are many great things to believe in, things that truly exist and nobody understands yet. Astral projection is not one of those things.
But, yknow, it’s your loss. If you want to limit yourself with silly beliefs, and spread lies and mental poison, knock yourself out.

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lyfe (1) (@greenbreath) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Except it…waiiiit…is real. The guy has entire body of work projecting and telling about things that happened in real time without any prior knowledge. You want to believe in close-mindedness and limit yourself to silly disbeliefs, go ahead. I reached new heights with a 9 ft. piss the other day in a public bathroom, connected streamline and all. But ya know, you weren’t there to witness it soooo

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Cody (472) (@versai) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Dude, so many fallacies in that post.

“It’s because they eye knows no difference between “nothing” and “light”.”
lol what? wanna try rewording that?

You’re just trying to look smart but scientifically there’s not enough to prove or disprove these experiences. Consciousness itself is not even close to being understood so any technique to explore it is not at all moronic, stupid or dumb.

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

it’s just manimal, the broken record of HE. At the end of the day it’s just his opinion, never fact. There should be an automatic disclaimer at the top of his posts. Hell, make it everyones posts lol.

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Indeed : )

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Do you know what opinion means, buddy?
Your disinterest in looking up the facts does not make my relaying of them an opinion.

If you’d rather believe than understand, that’s your loss.
Whether or not someone knows something about this stuff will not affect my life, there is no gain in it for me. If you want to be a fool that’s your right.

Knowledge is a great thing, one of my absolute favourite things in this world. Sharing and inspiring knowledge is a great thing.
Faith is useless, knowledge is endlessly resourceful.

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Show me your lab reports. Even then what does that “prove”

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jjj (32) (@crackedout6pack) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Manimal.. Can I get your opinion on objectivity and subjectivity?
Do you claim to have infinite access to objectivity?

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Anonymous (12) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

I agree the words moronic, stupid, dumb really stifle the nature of intelligence. But once those words start flailing around it’s fair game to call everybody those things for needing someone to agree with them so badly.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Actually, words like that do not stifle intelligence but often do the opposite. There is intelligence and unintelligence, and acting like there is no difference just blurs things and limits understanding.

Telling things apart is the most basic of all intelligence. The more differences you see, the more awareness you have. The ability to tell smart from dumb is just an example, but a very important one.

Whether people agree with each other or not, does not make a difference. What a person believes, does not change or determine how things really are. What we know and understand does not define anything.
The sun was around long before anything could see it, let alone think of it.

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Anonymous (12) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

I think if you can’t trust your own thoughts because people call you stupid then you will only be able to memorize facts instead of really looking and figuring out for yourself. The only way to see is to look with a belief in your own competence. You can still have that if you’re strong enough to ignore those labels on your intelligence, but if someone you look up to calls you dumb, you have to stop looking up to them if you want to be responsible for your own power.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Letting people’s opinions crush your self-esteem is just a cowardly excuse. They are criticising your thoughts, not your being.
If you start or stop looking up to someone because of how they made you feel, you’re being quite crazy; letting a temporary sneeze of the ego be more important than true emotion, understanding and ambition.
Pushing your soul aside to make room for a bloated feeling.

Memorising facts (as well as feelings) is an aptitude I was pretty much born with, people’s hatred or applause would not change that in my case. And the thing is, memorising facts is a good thing. It lets one understand, and understanding lets one achieve, it opens up windows to freedom and power and true connection. The good and the bad sides of each.
Thanks to this, there is always a place for me, always a way out and a way in. I get by, I get along, I always land on my feet, and that is due to my knowledge. This is what most people lack, what most people crave, and what I want people to have.
Due to understanding, I can succeed in helping people and get results, rather than just sharing my ideas and hoping to god that it helps and doesn’t make things worse.

I don’t tend to look up to people. But when I do, it’s usually because they pointed out my errors. That means they’re likely seeing something that I’m ignoring. Even if their intention was to harm, the fact still stands that I learned something that can end up being very useful.
And I have been in those situations where someone I idolized turned out to be a major douche, and even that brought positive inspiration.
It made me think “Well you’re an asshole. I’m gonna surpass you and put you in your fucking place, let everyone see that you can be defeated.”

Believe it or not, but this doesn’t take a whole lot of courage or discipline, just determination.
Empty the mind, seek the target. Beliefs cloud your lens and drain your strength, when you let go of the bullshit for a while you can do great things.
Give em hell… or heaven.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

It’s easier to call fallacies, than to think “Hey, what if this is true? I should look that up!”
That’s the difference between a believer and one who understands.

The thing about the eye, well technically it’s the optical nerve and hypothalamus that are responsible, but using words like that in a place like this does not make a whole lot of sense since most people wouldn’t understand what it means.
The “light” we see near death and in some dreamy states is just a symptom to lack of visual input.

I did not make any claims about consciousness, when you act like I did that’s just highlighting that your reading comprehension is a bit lacking.
As for exploring consciousness, that’s not what this is. Dreams are not consciousness. Consciousness is what explores, not what’s being explored.

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Jinay Shah (4) (@Jinay-Shah) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

i agree clmpletely. the reality you experience is just the electrical signals processed by the brain. the existence of dreams and how we can perceive reality in dreams indicates the fact that our brain can simulate the signals . so these so called astral projections are just lucid dreams..

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logan menzies (1) (@disimulado) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

This is a very close minded way of looking at things trying to say science has already proven all these things but to say things like your eyes don’t know the difference between light and nothingness is a ridiculous accusation also trying to say you know that dreams are hallucinations is stupid as you have no evidence on this i personally believe dreams are as real as this “Physical Reality” they’re just perceived differently so you can label these experiences as fairy tales just as easily as i can label the “real world” a fairy tale.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Its possible Brian that we all jump from one reality or universe to another constantly, as we make decisions moment by moment, and the process is just so seamless that we have no awareness of it.

The third eye or pineal gland has many mystical, ancient connotations. The books by David Wilcock go into this pretty deeply (The Source Field and The Synchronicity Key)…

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Zolly (0) (@Zolly) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

It very well could be projection. Some people are able to do it without trying. The pineal gland is powerful. For example, I can close my eyes yet still see my surroundings. Not in full color, but still I can observe everything in the room. i believe it’s through my pineal gland.

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

kind of like a pressure point of our imagination. a choke point

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