The Planet Is Full

Josh (@reinvented2012) 8 years, 8 months ago

I need to know what you all think of this video.
Will the revolution happen?
When will the revolution happen?
What are you doing now to help the planet?
Do you think world governments know this revolution is coming and that’s why they’re pushing for gun control?
How does this issue relate to other issues you see?

Any general feedback is cool.

March 27, 2013 at 10:07 am
Josh (213) (@reinvented2012) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

Anyone

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Thus Spoke Haze (102) (@ehsan) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@reinvented2012, “One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” – Playdough

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Anonymous (328) (@) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@reinvented2012, We are underrating ourselves in terms of technological advancement and what we could do about it. Like he said, we really could take control when we are in a tight spot.I feel like we are just in a “vacation” kind of mindset. No wonder why people hope for tragedies, because I think we all know that’s what it would take.

It’s kind of dumb to just connect it with a specific issue because you can’t prove it. If there will be a “revolution” it will definitely be aided by the internet.(ex. Middle east uprisings) We can go on and on about the recent laws that target privacy and freedom, drones, surveillance and what not. It’s best to keep it subjective.

Aaaaand yeah….. Only if we aren’t motivated by money alone.
–Nahhh, who wants to do that??? Let’s go prance around the mall, buy an i pad, get tanned, choke on buttery pop corn and be a cool face–

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@reinvented2012, Every time I see these things about overpopulation I wince. Not because I think it is true, but because until I have counted up everyone myself and done all the calculations to determine it, I don’t know that it is true. I mean, the guy in the video could be wrong. I don’t know what data he is using or how accurate it is, or if he made any mistakes, or if he isn’t taking some things into account, or what. We don’t have all the facts so we don’t know it’s true either. I mean, what about the population tapering off? What about the fact that as countries get more developed, birthrates tend to decline? What about increased availability and acceptance of birth control? What about declining birthrates in Europe and Japan? What about space exploration and terraforming? I mean, I’ve seen these “overpopulation, we’re all going to struggle that much more for resources now, life will be shitty from now on and we’re all going to just die” and I’ve also seen something that says we could fit all of the world’s people into Texas, and it would have a density no worse than New York City. One big city, and the rest of the world vacant.

I don’t mean this as a personal attack on you or your character so please don’t take offense, but I just really hate apocalyptic type stuff. They keep making this crap because fear gets ratings. Besides, what do we do with this knowledge? Just say “oh well, its getting crowded, i guess life is going to suck from now on no matter what, might as well drop out of school, give up on my dreams and just hang myself”? People are inventing solutions to problems all the time. Flying used to be crazy talk. Going to the Moon used to be loony tunes. Now we’ve done those things, and not exactly recently either. Humans are good at finding ways to solve problems, that’s a proven fact.

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Bryan Hellard (307)M (@xyver) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@theskafish, Go Ska go!

@reinvented2012, I believe more in the theories that state something along the lines of “the earth can support up to 20 billion people if we manage the resources right”. But like Ska said, I have no idea of the validity of these theories, unless I test them myself. But that’s not going to happen, so… All I can go is make sure I manage my resources right and try to get others to do the same.

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, nevertheless, we still have all different kinds of answers for how big the bottle is and how much bacteria it can hold. Also, like I said, birth control is getting cheaper and therefore more common, and knowledge of its existence, how to use it, and social acceptability of it have all increased over the last several decades. Not to mention declining birthrates in the first world countries, because we know we don’t need nor are able to manage large families anymore like we did at the turn of the century. Large families tend to be in agrarian, pre-industrial societies.

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@theskafish, emergence may unfortunately also play a role in our consumption of the planet.

Tiny small, uncoordinated events happening repetitiously and in great number can give rise to unforseen consequences – such is the case with a snowflake. tiny water molecules freeze together in what would seem (on the atomic scale) to be quite random. Yet, once they hit a large enough volume, or a critical point, something emerges – a very geometrical snow flake.

Much the same a billion people, all working simultaneously to promote pollution into the planet could seemingly reaching a critical point of no return, in which the snowflake is actually the tipping of the balance of our equilibrium within the biosphere.

We don’t know where that tipping point is.
Is it 9 billion?
14 billion?
Is it 400ppm CO2?
800ppm?

The population is increasing, but it is increasing at a decreasing rate, which you alluded to. But we may be at a tipping point. And who is to say where it is (like you said).

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Anonymous (328) (@) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@theskafish, You could say he’s exaggerating, but it’s not peace and carrots everywhere. I do get your point although It would be really easy to make such claims when we live in one of the most comfortable countries in the world. Someone from a poverty-stricken, polluted country will say other wise. Oh shit he can’t, he doesn’t have a computer, let alone have something to eat or even know what economics means.

So in accordance to the video: it’s not that we’re just going to give up. It’s more like facing reality and actually preventing the preconceived fear. America is not the world.

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Foxy Bootleg (0) (@sunsparkle) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

This is so stupid, I’m beginning to think it was a hoax of some sort.
He doesn’t give a lick of evidence for anything he says. Why on Earth would you take a guy who says “I could give you countless studies and evidence to prove this, but I won’t because if you want to see it, that evidence is all around you.”? That reeks of bullshit.
He uses a lot of phrases like “end of civilization,” “the system stops working and breaks down,” “crisis,” “planet Earth is eating itself alive” and my favourite, “things will get ugly” but doesn’t explain any further what that actually means.

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Josh (213) (@reinvented2012) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@ehsan, so you just don’t care. You think you’re a live politics or that it doesn’t affect you?

Not asking to be an ass but seriously.

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Josh (213) (@reinvented2012) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@motorik, yea I just think these recent legislation issues are all related to the fact they know we’re running low on resources.

And yes we love crisis as he said. It’s a double edged sword wishing for one but that’s truthfully what it will take for us to act.

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Josh (213) (@reinvented2012) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@theskafish, you make valid points. I get sometimes it’s just fear mongering bull shit. For some reason I felt differently about this because he clearly points out we can prevent it or fix it but we clearly won’t.

I mean we see people all over struggling. We don’t see progress. When’s the last time everyone as a whole felt good about where this country was heading. When’s the last time we heard if some new worldly explorations. When’s the last time a crisis was solved or prevented? I don’t recall any so please correct me if I am wrong. What countries are moving from being a third world to being industrialized and who even says that’s a good thing since it’ll just deplete more natural resources. We know this planet is technically finite.

Yes it replenishes but when you look at all the extravagant lives of people all over the glove you wonder don’t you. How much more over consumption can’t our plant take? When will we really address growing agriculture problems and water and air pollution?

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Josh (213) (@reinvented2012) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@xyver, yes well as you said we won’t do our own research and saying ill manage my resources and get others to does nothing. What will you do? Consume less? Waste less? That’s great I do that to but this is a larger issue and I don’t think people care enough to change.

How will you survive when good cannot be delivered to your local store or when water becomes polluted? Do you have a green house and rain catching system? That’s the only way I see to survive in a crisis situation.

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Josh (213) (@reinvented2012) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@theskafish, you honestly are using birth control as an answer here. That’s readily available to us in America and many countries but what about countries that don’t have birth control. What about the fact that minorities are growing faster than majorities and were switching roles. They aren’t using birth control because they don’t have health insurance to get it. That argument is null and void. And also it’s not an argument for space but resources. And how we will get resources in the event of a crisis or collapse which will most likely be caused from increased debt. Which is caused by our monetary system.

The example of the Middle East not getting oil money is a huge concern. That’s going to run out soon.

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Josh (213) (@reinvented2012) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, I agree we don’t know the point of no return or the tipping point. The video was interesting.

And yes we’re obviously still increasing in population and we may have decreased in our increase but that’s all just use of words. Just like the sequester here. Everything things it’s a cut but it’s only a smaller decrease. The point is most world economies are pushing for more growth, more GDP, more of everything. I don’t see actions being taken to even consider the effects were having on the planet. Politics ignores it. They try and solve issues like gay marriage and still battle over keeping marijuana illegal. And we know hemp is great why is it illegal.

Little things like this should be no brainer issues and as a whole we should be focusing on cleaning the planet through more efficient production, more efficient cities and towns. More efficient farms and organic growth practices.

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Josh (213) (@reinvented2012) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@motorik, that’s the point. We’re over consuming here while others starve. So I think the fact that we at some point won’t get all these luxuries is what will cause a revolution or cause us to begin new practices or something if the sort.

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Josh (213) (@reinvented2012) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@sunsparkle, seriously though, bull shit. Do you need him to give you evidence? You can’t find studies all over the Internet telling of increasing carbon emissions, depletion of oil, increased water pollution etc.

Give the man a break seeing as he doesn’t have an entire day to talk about all the studies done on the matter.

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Thus Spoke Haze (102) (@ehsan) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@reinvented2012, I’m not sure how you could infer that I don’t care about politics from that the quote.

“You think you’re a live politics or that it doesn’t affect you?”
I don’t know what that means. Politics definitely affect everyone, regardless of their decision to be involved or not. Hence the quote I originally posted.

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Josh (213) (@reinvented2012) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@ehsan, ah got it my bad. I must have read it too fast and misinterpreted before.

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@reinvented2012, we could give the developing countries birth control as part of charity. We could donate it to them…..we have the money. Right now it’s being spent on war. People don’t need health insurance to get birth control (for that matter we don’t need insurance for anything really, we’ve just been conditioned to believe we do, but that’s another topic). They need the birth control items to actually exist in front of them.

How will we get resources? Sun, wind, water, hydrogen, all sorts of power. Hell we could even use nuclear in uninhabited areas for a little boost. There are ways, the problem is not that its’ impossible, it’s political will is lacking.

The Middle East needs to diversify. As much as I want to say it’s karma for them dicking us around during the OPEC time….they need to start planning for the future. Use all that uninhabitable desert space for solar panels and wind farms. Things like that.

The reason more and more people are struggling and that things aren’t being solved isn’t anything physical, it’s a political problem. There are a few powerful, insidious people that are benefiting greatly from humanity NOT advancing. They have a vested interest in this crisis going on forever….the recession is their Death Star, basically. The ones who benefit from no solution pay others to keep doing nothing. And it trickles down from there, down to the ordinary citizens, who find themselves working against their own interests for a meal ticket today. And what keeps the people feeling shitty and hopeless? Constant news bombardments about how all these crises aren’t going away. Fearmongering, apocalyptic shit. The bad guys who benefit from no solution understand psychology very well.

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Emma (193) (@emmaclaire) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@theskafish, Handing out birth control is not enough. In a lot of cases, people in developing countries do not want it. If a woman has three or four kids, other women look at her disdainfully and some even ask “is there something wrong in the bedroom?” It’s a cultural thing. It can be a sign that you are wealthy enough to care for a lot of kids or that your marriage is good. Plus people have been conditioned to have as many kids as possible because some of them were (or in some cases still are) bound to die. Education is key, but it has to be very sensitive and careful not to offend, but rather to show other ways of doing things. At some point maybe people will realize the perceived “right” to the freedom to breed is disastrous for everyone. But it will take careful, hard work. Yes, handing out birth control can be part of it but it is not the solution. Heck it doesn’t even work in our own country. Think of Catholic families. When will they stop having kids? For that it is a religious issue which is even more sensitive than a cultural one.

The maximum population and the optimum population are two very, very different things.

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 8 months ago ago

@emmaclaire, I do understand that there is still cultural and religious implications of having a lot of kids, but I think the reality is they’re just going to have to realize that some old ideas don’t carry weight in the modern world, and are in fact the cause of some problems. I don’t mean to be cruel but they’re just going to have to get with the times. I mean, we could look at it from another way – they wouldn’t want us imposing on them the idea of having smaller families, but when they keep on having large families, it’s like they are imposing their cultural rules and religion on the rest of us.

Personally I feel we should do our best to make life pleasant for everyone who is here right now today (better health care, expand lifespans), than make even more people.

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