The World's Oldest Business

iXfactor (@Xtine) 8 years, 11 months ago

Prostitution. If it’s mutually agreed, compensated, and risk-free (a real hooker is clean to promote business), isn’t the legality of it comparable to the drug-war? Sex sells…that is the epitome of most advertisement, so why can only corporate organizations use that as a means of profit? Damn right sex sells, so let me live the American Dream by servicing my own. Our bodies are merely tools for life…literally that, A TOOL. We need it to be manifest life, and if you are alive enough to know that your body isn’t you, then doing whatever with it becomes meaningless. Yes mind and body are one, yet the ability to do a job with your body while your mind is elsewhere is the same as sitting at a cubical doing a mundane ‘acceptable’ job. as you contemplate your future.

I’m interested on the HEthen perspective of sexual exchanges for money. I’m not a hooker but have always been like ‘wtf does it matter’ even further to the extent of grass smoking or abortion. For and against opinions welcomed/encouraged!

October 17, 2013 at 8:59 pm
josephm (772) (@josephm) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@xtine, condoms can always break, customers can lie about their std status, prostitutes themselves can lie about their status. Or in both cases, they could get infected with something and just not know.

I don’t think it’s a good idea to hire one nor to be one. For health reasons, and that I believe there’s just so much better options people can do with their lives.

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Filip (2,818)M (@filipek) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@xtine, I think one has the right to decide what they do with their own body. If somebody wants to sell their body for sex, why not? If there is a mutual agreement between one person and the other about a certain service, I believe nobody has the right to disallow this, as long as they are not hurting other (human) beings.

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Anonymous (8) (@) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

some believe their body is their temple – I like this idea!

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Deven (2) (@Dkivioja) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

The process becomes much safer when sex for money is made legal. It takes prostitutes away from pimps and lets them work for themselves because they no longer need protection. A condom could break and anybody could lie to you so theres risk whenever you have sex.I say legalize.

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lifegamer (28) (@lifegamer) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@xtine, I give a lot of credit to those who ‘service humanity’ with the compassion & heart that it needs. I give a lot of kudos to those who manage their business so that all involved feel good about themselves and what they are participating in…All profit of the process. It matters not what variety of service/business is being brought forward.

Funny, you brought prostitution up for thought…I have long had imaginings of being a most awesome Madame with a two-fold biz…One, supplying opportunity for those who enjoy the hospitality industry as ‘specialists in the field’ while creating a wonder-filled business for both employees & clients to be part of (an international franchise, perhaps!)…The other, a vigilante Bitch with a crew of ‘killa sistas’ who hunt down the unsavory pimps, abusers, & pedophiles, subtly, but most efficiently, removing them from existence. One biz fuels the other well & in wellness.
Always a fun thought…Might make a good movie, ya think? :D

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James (121) (@alljuicedup) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@theskafish, just because you don’t like prostitution and would not hire/be one, does that give you the right to say it should not be allowed?

I don’t like eggplant, but I don’t it should be illegal for restaurants to serve it. I just wont order it from the menu!

I believe it should be our sovereign right as human beings to decide how we live our lives and what we do. Drugs, prostitution, etc, so long as our actions don’t infringe upon the sovereignty and freedom of others, I don’t believe the government should tell us how to live (that means that, while I believe someone should be allowed to do cocaine if, as an adult, they so choose, they should not be allowed to do things like operate a vehicle while under the influence).

Nevermind the fact that, as @dkivioja, points out, the legalizing and regulating of prostitution would actually make it much safer (for both the prostitute and the clients). Just as the legalizing and regulating of drugs would make that whole process safer as certain standards would have to be met.

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@alljuicedup, “Nevermind the fact that, as @dkivioja, points out, the legalizing and regulating of prostitution would actually make it much safer (for both the prostitute and the clients). Just as the legalizing and regulating of drugs would make that whole process safer as certain standards would have to be met.”

I never assumed to allow or disallow anything. I’m just a regular citizen with no legal authority. I only said that frankly I think prostitution is a pretty dumb idea for all parties involved, due to the huge amount of risk. Comparing using a prostitute to eating eggplant is nowhere near the same, one causes an unpleasant taste, the other could potentially kill you and anyone you come into contact with.

Ideally legal status would change things, but in an ideal world, one would not have to pay for sex in the first place. Besides, there’s always the risk of rape – much more so than with regular sex, because prostitutes aren’t respected by society. A client with an std, knowingly or not, could just decide to rape a prostitute and spread the disease. Due to the low social respect a prostitute gets, the law may not even do anything about it, or people might not even believe it in the first place, figuring, eh, she’s a prostitute and probably wanted it/is just looking for more money (not my personal views here, just saying, due to hundreds if not thousands of years of social taboo, prostitutes are generally not respected and their word is generally not taken too seriously). It’s just like if a porn star complained about rape….your average person in society just isn’t going to take that claim seriously. Look at what happens sometimes with rapes of people who wear revealing clothing, who aren’t even involved in any kind of sex trade…..there’s a lot of people who would say that they had it coming, although that’s not true.

Then there’s the whole money thing. A prostitute who is sick could just decide to keep working anyway because they know they need the money, and who cares about the guys she infects? They’re only johns, she figures, they’re creeps and who cares if they get sick and die. Then they get infected and spread the disease to whoever they sleep with next.

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Ben (62) (@Mallorn) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@theskafish, I think you need to entertain other perspectives, as all of your reasons are distorted, and I see you don’t realize it. You said the average person wouldn’t take a porn star being raped seriously… that sentence speaks for itself. A person decides to exchange a service, the ogling of their body, for money. While this is different from a farmer selling a grown eggplant for money, welcome to earth, an eggplant could get a fungus that could kill you, just like an std can.

Further, a prostitute could neglectfully infect people with aids just like any human could intentionally kill people. That’s not a problem with prostitution, but humans.

And blaming revealing clothing on the aggressor’s behavior is just as fundamentally illogical. Blaming the raped and not the rapist…hello? I think you’d have a change of heart if you were raped.

Your mentality seems to cause the problems you address.

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Ben (62) (@Mallorn) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@xtine, I think I view it the same way you do. A choice of the prostitute and the consumer, as long as there are lonely pervs, I see no reason for someone to not be allowed to give some seks for $. Although, it’s not ideal for the prostitute mentally, as it invites narcissism just like celebrity. And all the STDs.

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@mallorn,

To begin with, the last thing the world needs is even more people opening themselves up to the danger of STDs. We should be looking for ways to contain and cure this problem, not invite it to explode. This is a problem with humans yes, but with prostitutes it makes the problem much worse.

“And blaming revealing clothing on the aggressor’s behavior is just as fundamentally illogical. Blaming the raped and not the rapist…hello? I think you’d have a change of heart if you were raped.”

If you read my reply closely you would have seen that I said that these views were not mine. Never did I say that MY views are that someone deserves to be raped for wearing revealing clothing. What I actually did say was that there are a lot of people who do think that way. Why do you think the whole anti-rape campaign still has to stress that revealing clothing does not mean rape is okay, no means no, and all that?

I’ll say it again because you seem to have ignored it completely – I never said these were MY views. I only said that lots of people in our society do in fact continue to think this way. Try reading what I said before putting words in my mouth, kid.

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Ben (62) (@Mallorn) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

Indeed I read it lol.

some statistics: 78% of 55 women who sought help from the Council for Prostitution Alternatives in 1991 reported being raped an average of 16 times a year by pimps, and were raped 33 times a year by johns. (Susan Kay Hunter, Council for Prostitution Alternatives Annual Report, 1991, Portland, Oregon) 85% of prostitutes are raped by pimps.

A Canadian Report on Prostitution and Pornography concluded that girls and women in prostitution have a mortality rate 40 times higher than the national average. ( Special Committee on Pornography and Prostitution, 1985, Pornography and Prostitution in Canada 350.) In one study, 75% of women in escort prostitution had attempted suicide. Prostituted women comprised 15% of all completed suicides reported by hospitals.

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niknak_pattywac (117) (@creativenik) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@josephm, That video kinda made me ashamed to be black for a quick min…But at the end of the day women will do as they please. If you wanna sell your vagina then by all means do you, just know there are consequences and repercussions for those actions

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@mallorn, so you basically confirm everything I say about prostitution being bad. Because according to the first stat, “78% of 55 women who sought help from the Council for Prostitution Alternatives in 1991 reported being raped an average of 16 times a year by pimps, and were raped 33 times a year by johns. ” sounds like it again confirms what I say, that rape is very likely in this business, and I highly doubt rapists bother to use condoms first – inviting the spread of STDs, regardless of who is the aggressor. By the way, do those stats show how many of those rape cases were successfully prosecuted in court, or even went to trial at all? That’s what I’m getting at. Regardless of the law, the low status of prostitutes in society makes people believe that abusing them is okay, and the legal system, which is made of people who may well believe society’s taboos, doesn’t always care to do anything about it.

The legality of prostitution isn’t even the issue here – those stats alone just show that prostitution is a horrible life anyway. Even with changing the legal status and thus eliminating or decreasing the problem of pimps, the fact is that johns still do rape, a lot, and will probably continue to do so regardless of the legality of prostitution because they can count on it going unreported, or even if reported, unpunished.

Not every illegality is “durr, authority!” Yes, some things are illegal for no real reason or for shady reasons, while other things are illegal because they are actually bad.

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Ben (62) (@Mallorn) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

Well saying prostituion is bad and it’s a horrible life is just oversimplifying it, the stats show what’s really going on. You saying rape is very likely is only based on your own experiences, but those percentages are based on empirical facts. here’s the link: http://www.rapeis.org/activism/prostitution/prostitutionfacts.html

And there have been quite successful prostitutes throughout history, catalyzing social change. While I get that you don’t think a prostitute deserves less respect, I think something believing in “the low status of prostitutes in society” is part of the problem.

And “the legality isn’t the issue,” anything is up for consideration if it helps us have everyone live better, healther, sexier, etc lives.

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@mallorn, pardon my aggression. I’ve just heard lots of arguments for prostitution and porn and it grinds my gears sometimes. I am not some kind of Archie Bunker kind of guy, but I do believe that there are some certain things that are good and some certain things that are bad. Anyway, the low status of prostitutes in society is a cultural norm at least here in the U.S. and has been one for some time….I don’t predict it will diminish any time soon. It is certainly part of the problem, but many people attempting to take up the prostitute’s life will suffer greatly waiting for the cultural shift. That is why I think prostitution is better left unencouraged – the shift may never happen anyway.

I also don’t think prostitution is healthy for the reasons i’ve said, and you’ve even said so yourself, it can cause mental health issues for the prostitutes themselves. Sexier is subjective though – personally, I guess this is where my respect beliefs do come into play – I think the notion of paying for sex is quite lame, and if a person has to resort to paying for it, they have some problems. I’ve gone sexless for all of my 27 years, and I would never ever consider it.

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Ben (62) (@Mallorn) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

pardoned, and lol well i was joking about the sexier thing. Indeed I don’t think I’d ever be inclined to pay for sex, or offer it. And considering those statistics for johns, well, I wonder how many are predisposed to violent crime.

For some whures it’s a terrible choice between all those possible outcomes, and starvation. Or maybe they’re one of those rich escorts who has made the choice. Either way, it’s a financial transaction that seems more peculiar than buying fruit. But imagine two customers, two vendors, one fruit and one sex. Both customers here could be violent criminals and kill the vendors, before the apple was bought and the seks was done.

Intercourse done for money is obviously much more nuanced than the purchase of an apple, as sex is more commonly thought to be done out of mutual respect, love, wanting a baby, etc. And there are many more vulnerable opportunities during sex. But my point is that there is another large, possibly bigger problem in the violent john, for whom prostitution is a convenient tool to be violent and more easily get away with it. While I certainly join you in discouraging prostitution, these are the realities, and I think addressing violent aggressors is a problem of equal or greater importance.

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@mallorn, “And considering those statistics for johns, well, I wonder how many are predisposed to violent crime.”

Probably quite a few, seeing as how they are by definition already participating in pretty antisocial behavior. I would imagine that it’s not a far leap for such a person. It could just be that most of the time, a person that wants to hire a prostitute is also a person who is okay with violence and other criminality. That leads to my belief that even if prostitution were legal, the violence would remain because that’s the clientele.

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