Third Side of the Coin

Alex (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 9 months ago

Duality does not exist. It is illusionary and bad for the health.
Everyone always says, “there is two sides to a every coin.” Wrong, there is 3. Ironically, its a circle just like the other two sides, but more ‘3d’

Sure, there is the Father and the Son, but the answers are in the Holy Ghost.

All the answers we seek are held in the balance point on that third side of the coin. A complete unbiased relation between that illusion of duality. A balance, but a separation from good or evil.
This is why the world will never be black and white. Why there will never be correct answers to questions, because questions may be balanced, but answers never fall on the 3rd side of the coin. Yes or No- That is the duality of the coin. Neither of those answers have a balance, and Yes and No is illogical, but probably a ‘more correct’ answer.

February 13, 2013 at 1:52 pm
DaJetPlane (994)M (@lytning91) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Technically, there are no coins. Each fragment of existence is its own unique set of circumstances.

Your mind is what forces comparison.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Its a metaphor.

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DaJetPlane (994)M (@lytning91) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Did you not yourself state the hazard posed from illusionary concepts? ;)

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Anonymous (2,654) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, I agree. @lytning91, try thinking about your plan A and plan B about your next activity and find out why plan C is the total of them that doesn’t let you limit yourself.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Indeed I did, but sometimes concepts help you understand more. Eventually if you do understand enough, you can break free from the concept. But I don’t think you can break out of a concept until you understand enough.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Its like trying to toss the concept of God without understanding anything about it. You see its improbable, then you see its probable. You see all the sides- then you drop it, and recognize it for the concept it is. I dont think you can just do that from the get-go though.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, “Duality does not exist. It is illusionary and bad for the health.
Everyone always says, “there is two sides to a every coin.” Wrong, there is 3. Ironically, its a circle just like the other two sides, but more ’3d’”

Sounds like something from a pack of smokes haha.
There is still duality just the same, the “3d side” is just the meeting of the poles.

“Sure, there is the Father and the Son, but the answers are in the Holy Ghost.”

Holy ghost really only means breath. Breath is the answer to a lot of things, but not all.

“All the answers we seek are held in the balance point on that third side of the coin. A complete unbiased relation between that illusion of duality. A balance, but a separation from good or evil.”

Without duality there could be no balance, and no bias. Duality is real, there is nothing illusory about this.
Using duality to disprove duality is like dropping the suplex on yourself.

“This is why the world will never be black and white. Why there will never be correct answers to questions, because questions may be balanced, but answers never fall on the 3rd side of the coin. Yes or No- That is the duality of the coin. Neither of those answers have a balance, and Yes and No is illogical, but probably a ‘more correct’ answer.”

Of course there are correct answers. If I ask how to walk forward, the answer is to put one foot in front of the other, then put that foot in front of the previous one, and then repeat this pattern. That’s a correct answer.

There are balanced answers. An answer that takes into consideration both poles and remains neutral is balanced.

Duality is not yes vs no, it’s yes vs a different yes.

And an answer is not an absolute, it’s a relative and an if.
If I ask “is this the right way to go,” the answer is “Yes, if you want to get to X. No, if you want somewhere else.” Even so, there might be other consequences, and the priority weighs in as well.

Each question is really a series of questions. Eventually leading to a yes/no answer. But that’s still just as relative, and it’s still about conditions.

There is no good or bad. Only attraction and repellation of desire.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

“”And an answer is not an absolute, it’s a relative and an if.
If I ask “is this the right way to go,” the answer is “Yes, if you want to get to X. No, if you want somewhere else.” Even so, there might be other consequences, and the priority weighs in as well.””

That right there. I needed that put so clearly, thank you. @manimal,

I agree with most everything you’ve stated, but I’m still unconvinced that duality actually does exist, because of that third side, the balance. The balance is separate from both sides, creating a trinity instead of a duality. I suppose you can argue both sides though, like in geometry, you need two before you can get three, unless all three came into existence at the same time.

Another reason why I think duality is an illusion though, is because we have no concept of duality until we are self-aware. We are literally beyond good and evil duality until we are.

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Anonymous (46) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@manimal, and again the concept of the thrird arises when looked at the sentence below:

“Of course there are correct answers. If I ask how to walk forward, the answer is to put one foot in front of the other, then put that foot in front of the previous one, and then repeat this pattern. That’s a correct answer.”

For the association with the word “forward” or “front” is the programming nature of the third part. Whether forward could mean backwards it’s the perception that counts. So the right answer lies with the underlying code of interpretation and given meaning. The intend of the goal..and if the language corresponds with the concept that it is intended.

Simple: When a ball drops we hear “boom” so we could say “did you hear that “boom”
it simple and understandable, when you say move “forward” , does the sound of the word correspond with the sound of the action…

when you go below the language and see the formule of intentional meaning, the mirror if you like, something strange happens..

Just trying to break it open again…

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Dan (890) (@danfontaine) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, I LOVE TRIANGLES

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Dan (890) (@danfontaine) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, BUT NOT AS MUCH AS I LOVE VORTEXES

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Anonymous (2,654) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Absolute balance is an illusion. Every question has a “yes” answer if you’re saying yes to the valuation of disagreeing with it. Duality is there for our convenience to… well, foresee. It makes things simple and by its incompleteness makes things complex, so it’s more convenient when we’re able to disregard it. It simplifies things without making them any more simpler.

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Nick (554) (@splashartist) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@danfontaine, Dude, fuck yea vortexes are the SHIT.

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Anonymous (46) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@splashartist, @danfontaine, @beyond, we should start a crowdfund to built the first vortex. We need a billion dollars, a good website, a bio and we’r there

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Nick (554) (@splashartist) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@spiraltouch, ahh I’ve only got a few quarters and nickels..

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Anonymous (46) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@splashartist, it’s crowdfunding we don’t pay.. We just make the highest fund available and tell the people that we are hiring offices and scientist and will start an additional crowdfund for more money.. hahaha…. How funny would it be if we raise a few million dollars for this absurd thought and actually have money to hire scientist

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, If you have two poles, you can label any number of points in between, the middle being the “first” and most logical position. The poles, the extremes, are still there. And that’s from whence everything between comes.

Whehter or not we are aware of something does not change its existence and validity. If I didn’t know there was a moon, that wouldn’t mean there is no moon, the moon would still be there just the same with or without my awareness.
Good and evil is illusory, it’s creative thoughtform, concepts. It’s a false duality, so to speak. True duality is not good and evil. True duality is hot and cold, positive and negative, masculine and feminine, yin and yang, Ymir and Surtr.

@spiraltouch, No, forward is merely a direction. Forward is the opposite of backward, and thereby a dualistic factor.
That which is of one polarity has an opposite which is of the other polarity.

The association of word has no substance, you could call any object by any name. Whatever you wish. There is no correct because it’s a matter of opinion. That does not call for a third pole however.

I surely have never heard a ball go boom though. Boom is an onomatopoeic word, but most words aren’t. They have no association with the subject other than “because I say so that’s why.”

Duality is the basis of everything.

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Anonymous (2,654) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@manimal, You’re paying too much attention on your perception of what does or does not exist so the duality is helping you compact your base.

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Nick (554) (@splashartist) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@manimal, ”Duality is the basis of everything.” from the minds point of view it is. Like you stated, think of hot/cold as a scale. At what point is it actually cold and at what point is it actually hot? Your perception of this may be different then someone elses. There’s so many degrees of temperature that it is more like a scale of one thing (coldness is actually just absence of heat, it isn’t an opposing force). It is the minds duty to cut it in half (same with darkness, darkness just being the opposite of light and not an opposing force, its passive). Although duality does exist inherently in existence (since the mind is part of existence), without the mind these dualistic concepts would all be considered one or whole. So, within non-duality is duality. Both sides are a representation of the whole. I like to use the coin metaphor, you have one side of a coin which represents yin and another that represents yang. They both are both two parts of one whole.
There is no true or false duality, it is all a play within the mind. What happens when the labeling of light and dark ceases to be? when the sun sets it doesn’t just turn dark, its gradual. So at what point can we say it is dark? Someones perception of dark may be different then yours. Especially night going animals. Its all part of a whole, its just the mind that operates dualistically.
When we step outside of the mind and come home to wholeness then we see the truth in all words. It is all a game. Its dualistic minds all taking one half of the coin, that’s where arguments come from (HEY, your side of the coin is WRONG.). The funny thing is, both sides are still within the whole coin. Even my words are grabbing at one side, trying to solidify that which cannot be solidified.
But, then again I don’t really know any of this so take my words lightly.

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Annika (152) (@arenofnote) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

In order to have duality we must have something that is in between. Take this for example: Here. There. A simple duality. But what holds these two apart? Space between. The third side. Part of a trinity. But the moment you begin defining or describing “the space between,” it automatically becomes “here” or “there.” So I guess this could be considered an argument FOR the existence of duality. But even if there is a duality, we can’t ignore what’s in between. Which would create a third side to things. Perception is what creates dualities/non-dualities/trinities/what have you. Also, I love everything @splashartist said.

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Nick (554) (@splashartist) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@arenofnote, nothing is in between :) Duality is the causer of the illusion of seperateness. It just is, everything just is. Nothing and everything are inseparable just like cold and hot forward and back. The longer one decides to hold on to beliefs and half truths then the longer one will suffer. Who are you trying to defend? If you look at most conceptual understandings or beliefs you have there is always something that someone else can argue against it. This hurts the ego which causes conflict. Its so silly. If it is all TRULY seen (via awakening or whatever you want to call it, it’s really just a small shift but incredibly profound shift of viewing) and nothing denied then there’s no room for suffering. The ultimate act of surrender/acceptance.

As Eckhart Tolle thought up: The mind was developed for a survival tool. The survival tool slowly began to control every little aspect to where it is today (self-destructive). Think of it this way, the mind is incredible. Say if someone got hurt, they now had the ability to create the duality of some ‘non hurting’ state so then they can strive to get there. So it is a good survival tool. The possible examples are endless, it really is quite brilliant. But, the mind has become too cherished and needs to get dethrowned before this planet of people all blow eachother up (or themselves). A good servant but a deadly master.

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Annika (152) (@arenofnote) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@splashartist,

Again, as soon as we start describing or talking about nothing, it becomes something. The “nothing” or the “space between” or any other third entity put between things is what holds the sides together, it’s what brings them together, it’s what makes it whole. The mind’s perception of two or three “components” being held together is only a perception of what is… just is.

I think we’re getting at a lot of the same ideas, I’m just not articulating very clearly.

The mind is at the source of suffering, yet suffering acts as the source of creation. One must manipulate energy in order to create. Manipulation drains additional energies to those being manipulated, which drains and causes a state of suffering until the energies are restored. Ego death/suppression may be the end of suffering, but also the end of creation. Then again, suffering and creation are one in the same, so everything I’m saying is just dahdahdah anyway. Lovin’ it. Haha :)

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Nick (554) (@splashartist) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@arenofnote, Haha yes, such is the play of language. Its a futile attempt to contain the uncontainable. It’s more of the intention behind the words that should be felt.
I’m not really getting with what you say about suffering being creation? How so? Creation is creation. Energy moving in positive/negative cycles. (or existence, life whatever word You wish to use) Contraction and release. The negative part of the cycle isn’t suffering. Suffering is what occurs when there’s resistance against this natural movement. Wanting to only see the light instead of the full picture. ‘enlightenment’ doesn’t kill the ego at all. It simply removes the identification you have with it (although this does significantly remove most of the mud of the ego). It removes the subjectivity in a sense.
Manipulation of energy is what the ego based reality attempts to do and does create suffering, but only that. Creation is always happening regardless. It is the fallacy of the mind to believe some sort of manipulation needs to occur so creation or life can go ‘your way’.
Cheers :)

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@manimal, If you have two poles, you can label any point in between, but the center point is important. Especially if the poles are say, on a sphere (like Earth) Take a circle for example. The circumference wouldn’t exist without the center point, and thus the poles would not exist either.

As far as forward and backwards go, there is 3 parts to this- Not moving. Stationary is the 3rd side of the coin in this situation. So backwards and forwards is opposite of each other, in relation to each other, but stationary is always stationary.

You have male and female, but you also have the unborn baby, that does not have a sex at the given time. You have yin and yang, but you have the barrier that separates. You have left and right, but you also have the middle. You have positive and negative, but you also have neutral. (-1,1,0)
There is always 3. Even look at a color wheel too, and you can see.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

On a wave, you have the above, and below, but you also have the center point as well. You have a tone, but you have a flat and a sharp as well. Two eyes, but a 3rd eye as well (And the 3rd eye is apparently supposed to be more important than the other 2!)

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