"This is, as they say, your party"
Life is too weird I want to go home.
What exactly is so complicated?
Survive, find beauty, spread peace. Maybe raise better children. Seems simple enough. Who is in charge here?
Why is it so easy to think ugly, disempowering thoughts?
It’s not about how humanity betrayed itself in the past or how we’re on our way to betraying ourselves more. It’s not about anthropology, physics and philosophical debates, and it’s definitely not about common sense because new things are discovered everyday that shatter conventional wisdom.
What about the level we’re actually on, our own mindbody system? I think we can trust ourselves a lot more than we do. Please do.
“Who is in charge here?”
What an intriguing question. Who is it that pressures us to comply with society’s conventions, pushes us to unhealthy competition, tells us what is worth chasing and what is not? Our insecurities deprive us from our freedom, and living can become an awkward experience.
Fitting in is part of survival, and some might say these complications are an essential part of our evolution… Still, I sometimes like to think of ways in which future societies may be able to teach people to take it more easy. I still haven’t found an answer, but I’m hopeful.
I do think our survival instinct is what causes the fear of trusting oneself, but eventually people will see the fear of individuality also threatens survival.
Maybe trust yourself not to trust yourself when you’re high? I don’t think trusting yourself means believing anything that comes into your head about what you can and cannot do. I assume you mean something like trusting an idea of your personal power…. But I don’t really think it’s about that type of power to trust yourself more.
Hmmm… not sure what that means really. I don’t do drugs.
What I mean is, how many close calls before it counts as death? How many mad bursts before one goes insane?
We have doubts because they save lives.
You never specified what people should trust themselves on, I’m curious to know what you mean. Care to elaborate?
I was using high the same way you were to mean on the wings of hubris…
I think if one really tunes in then you find your limits and respect them. Finding your honest needs.
I see. But does this answer make me any wiser as to what it is you want us to trust more? I do not believe so, I am still confused.
There seems to be a great message, but it’s very vague.
As for limits, hmm yeah respecting those is crucial, but a lot of people can’t respect something without surrendering to it… which is, in the end, not that great. And I don’t know if I’m that kind of person or not, which means accepting limits is another risk.
Maybe life is too weird as you say. Or perhaps it’s not weird enough. Probably both.
Well I think not enough people are openly weird with each other so it appears that life is not as weird as it is..
I don’t think it’s too vague. I could elaborate with complex thoughts but I don’t think that’s where the wisdom lies.
If surrender is not a great party for you then I believe whatever is for you is for you and not wrong. There is a level where it’s all bittersweet and inevitable and thats great to me. And then another level where it’s all vaguely empty and that also feels like a party. Also another where everything is willpower and personal decision. But none of them are inherently “not that great.” Vagueness is true. But that’s what makes it not vague and that’s what this thread is about.
Fuckin aye, people gotta let the glory of their weirdness shine.
I wasn’t asking for complexity, or deeper thoughts even. Just a simple word or two.
What is bittersweet? And where’s the saltyhot? I’d rather have the latter today.
What about the level where everything is a distinctly empty, inevitably willpower-driven party that’s greater than not and truer than vague?
“Why is it so easy to think ugly, disempowering thoughts?”
I like Alan Watts view on life as a game that is being played just like a drama with actors. You as a “person” are playing a role as an actor. But if you forget that you are the actor, and think you are the person, you have been taken in by your own role. You are “en-rolled” or betwitched, spellbound, enchanted.
Something else about the nature of drama is that there must be a villain, unless of course you are acting some kind of a nonplay that does not have any story. Fundamentally, all stories start out with the status quo. Everbody is just sort of going along, and then som problem comes in to upset everything. The game is to play order against chaos. In the drama there must be a villain, a dark side, so that the hero can play against him, and it. If you go to the theater for a good cry, then you let the villain win and you call it a tragedy… The audience will not boo the villain at the end of the play. They applaud him for acting the part of the villain so well, and they applaud the hero for acting the part of the hero so well, because they know that the hero and the villain are only roles masks. And one cannot exist without the other.
We all have the potential to be both villains and heros. Everyone has a dark side within them, the ego. I have met very enlightened and nice people, but noone who has shed his or her ego altogether. You can go around being afraid of it and try to save you from yourself, or you can accept that you are just as much a villain as everyone else.
“That I feed the beggar – that I forgive an insult – that I love my enemy in the name of Christ – all these are undoubtedly great virtues. What I do unto the least of my brethren that I do unto Christ. But what if I should discover that the least amongst them all – the poorest of all beggars – the most impudent of all offenders – yea the very fiend himself – that these are within me? And that I myself stand in need of the arms of my own kindness. That I myself am the enemy that must be loved. What then?”
I like everything you said. Even the hero is a villain by overshadowing the peasants, using up all the value. Maybe our “spirit” really is a small repertoire of roles we incarnate into.
Alan Watts is an intriguing guy. Despite all the wisdom he assumed, and the cult following he has, he killed himself. For the longest time, I didn’t know that the man who espoused all these teachings of ego-loss, listening to the voice of the universe, your inner self versus your superficial self…He killed himself. He may not have believed these things for all those years….maybe he did.
But in the end Alan Watts lived until he decided to end his life. He didn’t live in the loving comfort of his family, he didn’t live until he had many grandchildren, he did not live until it was his natural end…he cut it short. It shows something of the man’s character that he would talk about ego-loss, empowering thyself etc. and in the en he gave up.
I think that this proves that we are not what we think. Rather we are what we do. Alan Watts thought many inspiring things, and he did inspire many people, but in the end i believe he was weak. That he was a coward to kill himself.
“Why is it so easy to think ugly, disempowering thoughts”
I think it’s an energy thing. Entropy, and chaos. It is much easier, and more energy savvy (from the Universes POV) to let things be chaotic. Negative and ugly thoughts are more chaotic. They go against order and harmony. We are all just really energy beings. Some people cannot control the beast which is their energy. That’s why people should learn the proper ways which to express the energies within them. To funnel them in the right ways, I suppose. Like trying to build an energy and information efficient computer. It’s all about how you manipulate the energy. You wouldn’t want your energy having to run across the motherboard 30 times before it reaches its destination. I think some of us have unwittingly programmed our energy to be distributed in such ways, leading to a quite chaotic machine.