This is not Higher-than-you-Existence
A disclaimer involving blog posts and posters. If you’re coming to this website, it probably means you’re interested in topics that are outside your typical dinner conversation. For that, I would like to welcome you to community who searches for answers amongst all the smoke and mirrors, disillusions, and myths and strives for something that we can all share. However, being that this is my 2nd day on the site, I have found that a lot of people deem it necessary to bring there arrogant, pompous, ignorant, and downright hateful attitudes here as well. So I beg that when participating in meaningful discussion with others that have similar questions, interests, and tastes that you exercise your restraint and humility. There are a lot of intelligent people here with a lot of insightful things to say and there are also a lot of people with an inflated sense of self-worth. Please, reflect the attitudes that you would like to see within your new community. Thank you.
@papashibshib, 1) I’m not sure how you didn’t notice how beyond has been a dick forever if you’ve been browsing this site forever.
2) I only said 1 horse. And it’s an expression. Meaning you talk all kumbaya but then suckered punch him. Your horse are above? What?
3) You Googled him, that’s fucked.
4) You totally missed what I said by just responding to the january part and trying to defend that point.
5) Thanks for taking down the bully, Robin Hood
@edwardbernays, You’re right I probably took it too far.
Some people are great at provoking others. And well, I felt provoked to say something. I Don’t like seeing people being bullied for no other reason than having an opinion, and that’s something that pushes my buttons.
Did I waste a bunch of my time? yes.
Should I have not gotten involved at all? probably.
Does any of this really even matter? not really :\
My apologies @beyond, personal attacks just diminish the weight of an argument. Just try to be a little nicer to people. Not to get them to like you, but it’s a much more effective way of getting people to at least listen to you. If that’s something you even want.
Imma get back to what it is I do…
@beyond, don’t really care all that much dude :\
Oh man are all you pussies still going on? Seriously? I read the first page and decided I didn’t need to go through another 3 to realise that all your vaginas are soaked in butthurt.
But now I’m sick of this thread popping up at the beginning of this page all the time.
Oh wait.. I just made it happen again. DAMMIT
@papashibshib, It’s obvious that your future posts on this site are going to be desperate look for attention. :) I’m starting to feel really bad for you. You could at least learn who you call a troll? Yeah, I did waste my time with you a whole lot. :) Glad to see you’re working on originality though, it’s just something that isn’t working for everyone. :/
I’m not the one using my real name all over everything.
I’m not the one with the NEED to insult people for having an opinion (even if it’s a dumb opinion to have).
I’m just a fish named bubbles on a random internet forum.
Who is seeking attention again?
@papashibshib, I’m using my real name so I could be myself when I deal with fake morons like you. :) I am not seeking attention, I am getting it and you’re insulted. That’s a constant intention of mine. :) Other reasons I use my real name is because I am not a shameless idiot like you. Now I’m probably gonna get more attention I never asked for. My point is, you are too sensitive for a man and like Alex said, I am simply enjoying this.
RELAX HETHENS, IT’S ALL
@beyond, Well, I’ve been busy for a couple of days and I must say that this turned out to be way more interesting than I originally thought. Either way, it’s a waste for me to try to respond to every point and every post so I’ll just say one more thing and leave this post to itself. I’m going to talk about the common good. Now, the common good is something that is 1) good 2) shareable amongst people, and 3) non-exhaustive when shared. Examples of common goods are education, virtue, safety, etc. A common good can only be achieved when the 2 (or more) participants work together towards a shared vision of that good. If both people have a different idea of what the good is, they will have 2 different interpretations as to what they are acquiring and how to get it. An example of this is football (or any sport for that matter). Everyone on the team has to be working together to either defend or try to score and their success is determined by the efficiency of their collective efforts. Now, in this case, the common good I was aspiring to here was cooperation at a fundamental level. We can cooperate and be mean to each other at the same time which is ok. Many people have already alluded to the nature of the Internet being just that. However, this is a place called HighExistence with topics of discussion involving potentially dense and complicated subject material. Regardless of whether or not you have a degree, your in high school, or some troll on the Internet, if you come here, you’re coming here with an interest in these topics. These topics include metaphysics (New Age and philosophical), history, art, math, New Age beliefs, religion, psychology, physics, chemistry, biology, astronomy, and many more. Pretty much. all the branches of knowledge and any social topic you can think of. Now, this site is attracting a wide range of people. People that live all over the world, all with different belief systems and perspectives. And considering the subject material, a lot of them are intelligent and/or educated. Meaning that this is a place where potentially educated people can come to talk about subjects that range from the serious to silly with no real restrictions on how they act. All of this is good. All of this is great, in fact, because this is the type of site that has the potential to change the world. We are talking about people who have pretty big ideas looking for other people with pretty big ideas so they can share, express, and expand upon those ideas. So as you can see, the fact that we have this opportunity, at this time period, under these world conditions, with every demographic participating, with everyone to use their free will for what every they wish is a good thing. The fact that everyone here can make choices for themselves is a sign of a respect for freedom which is awesome. I don’t think anyone would argue with me that having freedom to do something is never a bad thing. The point of me responding to everyone’s posts is to address how you exercise that freedom. You may have the freedom to drink Draino, or jump off a cliff, or order Chinese food, or get married, or practice faith, but of all the decisions you COULD make, which one’s will make you the happiest? Which decisions can you say confidentially contribute to your well-being? Seeing as how everything that exists is fundamentally good by very nature of its existence and we all have free will and we all only have so much time to live in our physical existence, I would rather treat everyone with a sense of dignity and respect than treat them poorly since the attitudes and well-being of others is a good worth preserving. It is a privation of the well-beings of other to treat them unfairly since everyone is entitled to live their lives the way they want to. That “right to life” is a good in itself. However, if everyone doesn’t give a shit about each other and exclusively cares about their individual needs only, it will be harder (not impossible) to achieve the common good that this website is striving for, which I believe is somewhere along the lines of: Give people a place to talk about cool shit so that they can improve their lives and the lives of others. I know you’re allowed to act however you want and fundamentally, no one can control you. Everything you do is a choice. No one has the ability to take your choice away and doing so would be unjust. However, all your choices are a reflection of how you feel about the rest of the universe and yourself. If you treat someone badly, but get offended when people treat you badly, you’re not acting in a way that promotes your (or anyone else’s for that matter) well-being and you’re implying that you don’t deserve to be treated badly but others do.. If you treat people badly and accept being treated badly as fair, then you view bad treatment as something conductive to happiness. If you don’t think its ok to treat people badly but still do, you have the same problem as the first scenario. And if you don’t think its ok to treat people badly and you treat people well, then you view good treatment of others as something conductive to happiness. By restricting your actions in a meaningful way, you give yourself a sense of meaningful freedom. Its not fundamental freedom in which you can do whatever you want, but its the freedom to act within the role you have given yourself for the sake of your own happiness. This is a fundamental metaphysical property of existence within Thomistic metaphysics. Everything has the potential to become a higher form of matter with a higher control center directing the actions of others that best support, express, and promote the nature of the matter. So in a football team, you want the big guy who can’t throw on the line and the guy who can run catching the ball. Not the other way around. The other way around is an ineffective use of that matter. In economics, you strive for equilibrium by maximizing the gains of BOTH parties involved. And this principle isn’t just found in voluntary collectives like football teams. Atoms have the potential to become molecules. Molecules have the potential to become cells. Cells have the potential to become bodies. Bodies have the potential to become collectives such as families or governments. There is an economic as well as a moral consequence of the way you treat others. You maximize the common good considering the well-being of others. And what happens when everyone treats each other with the well-being of others in mind? You get unrestricted cooperation. No one’s hating. No one’s laughing at your expense. People just want to see your questions answered so you can move on to the next great thing you want to do and if someone has a question you can answer, you want to see them have their questions answered for the same reason. And the help your looking for comes faster and faster because now, since everyone made more of an effort helping each other than fighting each other, people are continuously in better positions than where they once were.and they are MORE available to helping others. We share a collective existence as Human Beings. Geese gonna geese. Fish gonna fish. Dogs gonna dog. Human beings gonna treat each other like shit? I hope not. We don’t know the limits of human potential because we have never been put in a position collectively and effectively where we can test those limits. We’re still eating food that gives us cancer. We’re still living with governments that at the very least, have a shady-enough history that leads us to believe they will continue to be shady . We’ve been talking about starving kids in Africa for decades. But we have the intellectual prowess to make iPhones and satellites and send people and cameras into space and make websites on the Internet where people can talk about all the world’s problems and religion and merkabas and all kinds of shit. I feel like the least we can do is treat each other in a way that reflects the change we want to see in the world. A world where, yes, you can be a douche bag, but you know the people around you won’t treat you less than what you deserve to be treated, so you don’t because you appreciate that. And this utopian, fantasy world doesn’t just show up over night. Its going to take a long time, but its going to take a longer time (if ever) if less people make the effort. A habit is repeated action that progressively becomes a part of you. Over time, a habit becomes “second nature.” You have to practice what you preach with you want an accurate sense of self. So I’m just trying to make the effort and while I know that its unlikely that people will actually change and this will draw more haters, maybe someone will reconsider the way they treat people because they would like to be treated better. You have to give respect to earn respect and I’m looking for respect amongst people who can actually exemplify what respect means which is anyone and everyone. I put beyond at the top but I’m linking everyone else that responded to me just so they know this is my attempt to respond back.
TL;DR: Understanding to treat yourself well will help you treat others well. <— Reason for post.@motorik, @acexiii, @alexishungry, @cognizantelephant, @spaceghost, @yoinkie, @winslow, @papashibshib, @edwardbernays,
@bearacleitus, for the love of god man, its called an enter button, please push it every once in a while.
When you do, this happens. It gives the reader a pause to think, stay focused, and to take in information. Now I see a number of holes and assumptions in your argument. I’ll point out just a couple here.
The first is that you didn’t give the option for treating people “badly” with the expectation that others will also treat you “badly”. I expect people to disagree, critically deconstruct, and sometimes get outraged with my ideas. It is necessary for growth. Sometimes when people disagree, they just have to use mean words. Its okay I don’t take it personally, as long as they back up those mean words with counter arguments and/or facts. If I wanted to ask questions and write stuff with only “positive” answers I’d just write in my journal and skip HE. So therefore, since I expect others to call me out, I call them out as well.
The second counterpoint that I’d like to suggest has already been analogized. However, since you’ve self-described yourself as a philosopher in other posts I would like to provide an analogy to Camus’ Myth of Sisyphus. Lets say I and others started out on this sight like you suggest, with the goal of creating positive meaningful discussion. We were all kumbaya and shit.
The first day a new person comes on and tells us her boyfriends a dick yet she still loves his dick. We answer all positively, with great philosophical quotes and reasonings and suggestions on why she should stay with him, and conversely why she should leave him.
The next day, someone posts for help in their relationship. They say they don’t know if they love their girlfriend anymore. So again, we weigh in and help them, knowing we were once in that dilemma and know where they’re coming from.
This happens for the next 273 days straight.
On day 274, a new girl posts that she just can’t decide if she should stay with her boyfriend, even though she loves him more than anything. We respond with ‘you are a fucking idiot you just said you loved him more than anything, that is all’. Did we respond in a negative, hurtful way? yes. Could this have been avoided if the poster just went back through the archives of posts and saw similar scenarios or perhaps provided more substance in their post, and thought about the question that only they could answer a little more? yes.
I’m not meaning to justify our behaviour in any way, just telling you that we are Sisyphus. The fucking rock keeps rolling back down the hill. We’re not angry anymore, we’re just answering. “The struggle…is enough to make a man happy. One must imagine Sisyphus happy”.
The topics that I find we get particularly short tempered in include religion/god, govt, relationships, college/education, and “I don’t know what to do with my life”. This list is of course not exhausted. We don’t have to be here of course, we could move on from this site if clearly we have seen some of the topics at redundant rate. Yet, we like it. We are happy. We may give a short, or asshole response on occasion, but you must imagine us as happy.
One final point, being open minded/naively nice doesn’t only allow you to live in the world as you see it. That is, treating others the way you would wish to be treated doesn’t mean that others will treat you in this way. It can open you up to be taken advantage of, mislead, scammed, and used by people like me (me being my pseudonym). Thats the unfortunate part of it. It just doesn’t work. I like your philosophy and positivity man, I really do. It just doesn’t work in practice.
@bearacleitus, I really enjoy reading your positive outlook on things, I’m just used to making fun of horrible things that happen with me. Then I think – if I can deal with them so easily, others can too. Some simply can’t though, either because they’re more reputation oriented or are just afraid. I really like what you’re saying about practicing freedom, there’s no better way of finding what works best than trying on your own. And it does expand your mind.
“Its not fundamental freedom in which you can do whatever you want, but its the freedom to act within the role you have given yourself for the sake of your own happiness.”
That role you’re talking about, I don’t believe it exists. It’s really an easy way to categorize people if you are trying to depend on them, but easy is not very favourable in the end. That’s what makes, at least for me, the most difficult things more rewarding.
I never believed in this “New Age” bullshit either, because it’s inspired by everything that came before. And I don’t think learning to be happy on your own or thinking of yourself as “spiritually awakened” can be useful to anyone but the ones who already realized how to live with themselves.
What you’re implying is creating habits in order to try achieving a better world which is just splendid, but not a new idea. And again, categorizing leads to voluntary separation. Immature escapists like calling others trolls when such a word doesn’t even exist, they’re just unhappy from what they’re paying attention to most. By claiming that the world needs changing means you’re not happy with it or don’t know how to deal with it. This is just a site encouraging positivity, there are sites about more realistic things that the same people neglect so they don’t have to deal with paying attention to negativity again. Those same people that are afraid of having a bad day speak of changing the world. You can’t change shit if you’re afraid your ignorant happy life is going to get disturbed. All in all, if a person can’t deal with harsh reality on his own, he’s gonna start the needy never ending search for changing other people’s habits. Nice talking with you. :)
This is the worst thread I have seen in a while, I don’t mean the O.P but the bickering that has resulted.
People are gunna see things differently, that is not because some people are right and some are wrong, it is because we are all unique humans, each of us with our own experiences and values. We all process information in different ways, we all interpret information in different ways.
Just look at how many denominations of Christianity there are, all because people read something and take something out of it that others don’t see. The thing is, we each not only have flaw in taking in information but we all also have flaw in communicating it.
Basically, each conversation we have is like an Englishman trying to speak to a Frenchman; The Englishman doesn’t know French but he knows a little Spanish, and the Frenchman doesn’t know English but he knows a little Portugese.
@bearacleitus, Thank you for this. People need to grow up and live and let live, as cliche as it may sound. Realize that whoever you are dealing with is in essence ‘you’ so in the end, ‘you’ are just arguing with yourself. See others point of view and if you disagree, explain why in a polite way. Who knows, maybe you are actually wrong; as we ALL are from time to time.
I love High Existence but damn can it be filled with some annoying drama. Please, save it for somewhere else :)
I appreciate the fact that the metal that makes this thread cooled a little. I understand that everyone can do whatever they want and yes people will disagree and haters gonna hate and trollers gonna troll and posters gonna post. I’m already ok with everyone not getting along since the only reason I made the post was I knew that and wanted to see more than just settling. I don’t think its necessary for me to respond to anyone specifically now but I understand what everyone’s saying and thank you. And I’m not looking for some plastic, fake, all positive world. I’m just looking for a better, more realistic world that we can all enjoy and if you want to see change, you have to make the effort. Thank you and take care.