I was reading through this thread: //www.highexistence.com/topic/whos-high-at-the-moment/ and I felt there should be one for HEthens who have quit smoking marijuana or slowed down to get their life back in track.
Like many people, I use to be a huge stoner and had to smoke at every opportunity I got. This lasted many years and the worst part is, I convinced myself I was not addicted and that I was in complete control. Fucking bullshit. It wasn’t until last year I decided to slow down because I realized how it was effecting my physical and mental health. I simply wanted to move on with my life and pursue other things. I wouldn’t say I quit because I still smoke every 3-4 months but after slowing down, I can now see the cons of using it daily.
@filipek made a strong point when he said:
“Cause I do not want to smoke only because of the fact that it makes me relaxed and chill etc. I have been there years ago, when I used to smoke a joint every time I came home from school. It becomes a habit, an addiction and it makes you dumb and dull. I do not want to get back to that point anymore, I feel that smoking too much weed is stopping me from making progress in my life. It not only literally makes you slow, but that transcends into my daily life as well. It is just my general guideline with these kind of substances nowadays. I have been on both extremes, either totally quit with everything for an certain time period or do all the things God forbid. Now I am trying to find the middle way. The thing is that I do not want to be controlled by anything, and when I am on a point when something becomes a habit and I do it everyday, I feel as if it controls me rather than that I have control over it. That is not how I want to live my life”
With that said, I just wanted to have a discussion about how slowing down or quitting affected your life and what have you’ve learned from this process.
I too have quit, only about two-three weeks ago, however in these few weeks my productivity has gone through the roof! I was never a lazy stoner and still always tried to get things done. Nothing compares to my productivity and performance in all aspects of life as being sober. Perhaps I’ll do it occasionally as a too for socializing, but for now I am done.
I started meditating a few months ago and I realized I enjoyed it much more as a relaxant than I did smoking.
Elevation over stimulation.
@1love, hey, I’m really glad you started this thread! I quit completely a couple years ago because it started giving me anxiety for some reason. I started noticing even the rare occasions where I didn’t get anxious, I would just feel tired the rest of the day and along with habitual use came a poorer memory, waking up feeling tired, and a slower brain in general. Usually I’m very good with words but when I habitually smoke I started noticing my ability to think of the word I want to use diminishing. and just felt dumb and slow in general.
I realize that it doesn’t affect everyone this way(and doesn’t affect me this way either unless I’m using it a lot) and that’s completely fine. All of my friends smoke. I’m at the point where I partake here and there but don’t buy my own and it’s not an every day thing. I’ve found that if it’s used medicinally it can be a great tool for sorting things out. For example if I am super anxious but can’t really pinpoint why, smoking can allow me to take a step back from my thoughts and hear them in a more objective way. There’s never a sure way to know how it’s going to affect me on any given day though, so usually it’s just not worth the gamble of whether it will make me feel bad or good.
I could relate to your experience when you said you used it as an objective stepping back and examining one’s life. I often used it for that very reason at some point and I often didn’t like smoking with other people because I found it made me anxious to be out with people could I would feel too over-analytical and notice their judgment of me or I would conjure up false assumptions on my own.
Eventually, I began to experience too much negative anxiety and memory loss, fatigue and exhaustion. At some point, I felt sluggish for over a year and depressed and I couldn’t stop smoking. Even when I find myself doing it once and awhile, I barely enjoy it anymore.
I stopped smoking weed about 4 months ago, after having smoked it all day, everyday for a couple years straight. After a while I started getting feelings of paranoia, feeling like I’m becoming schizophrenic, etc. That’s why I stopped smoking. Marijuana has its purpose. I won’t knock it or knock people who smoke it. It served its purpose in my life and helped shape who I am today. It gave me new insights and beliefs about life in so many aspects, but being sober now is a great feeling. I got to experience other view points, philosophies, so many things. But ultimately it got to be too much. The paranoia was too much. I can see now why people claim too much smoking can lead to schizophrenia. I never truly got to that point, because I knew better. I knew it was all in my head. But it showed me just how powerful the human mind really is – your thoughts and beliefs literally create your reality, for better or for worse. When you stop smoking weed, you gain more perspective on things while you’re sober and have a chance to reflect on what you learned from marijuana. You also feel much more clear-headed and less complacent.
@tangledupinplaid21, i also felt like my brain was getting slower. Like I couldn’t articulate my words as fast as I use to and I got to the point when somebody would say “hello” to me, I would have to think about it for 2 seconds which makes it awkward as hell. My memory diminished and learning was harder. I persuaded myself that smoking would boost my creativity which it did for a short period of time but after that it didn’t do shit but made me feel like a zombie. I’m exaggerating a little bit but my mind felt like it was empty back then. I just felt like I was going through the motions
@chodebalm, this is exactly how I feel about weed. Like I don’t regret anything and it served its purpose. It also influence me to become a better person and that part stuck even after I stopped smoking. I can relate with you on the schizophrenia part. I even started getting voices in my head sometimes when smoking alone which freaked me the fuck out. The mind is truly fascinating in that regards.
@dreadedjonnyt, I feel you on that one. You get so much more shit done. For me, all the things that I once dreamed of doing when I was high, I’m actually doing it now and it feels amazing. The shift from a dreamer to a doer is a good feeling. Natural highs like meditation is cheap as shit. Looking back, $20 for a nug is ridiculous.
@1love, Great topic! Thanks for mentioning me. Let me further elaborate on what I briefly mentioned.
I came into contact with marihuana when I was about 12 or 13 years old. Same time when I started drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes (I quit alcohol totally more than a year ago, and I became an occasional festival smoker after I quit smoking almost two years ago (smoking from 1 to 2 packages a day) In high school, wanting to be part of the tough and cool guys me and a couple of friends started experiment with weed. What started as an occasional joint (we couldn’t get it so easily at that age) with intens laugh bursts and loads of fun ended up in periods where I played truant, skipped classes and arrived stoned in class. Not only during daytime, but also in the evenings there was a constant craving and an endless void of not having enough weed to feel good. Not only it was worse on periods of difficulties at home, at school etc., but it became such a habit that I just could not be a day without.
I had periods of intens smoking where at times I decided to quit totally for an indefinite period of time, but every time the marihuana at some point got control over me again. True, I experienced many benefits as well, it helped me going through painful periods and I have had a lot of interesting insights, whether alone or with friends. Not only that, but I experienced physical advantages as well. On the contrary to alcohol and cigarettes, this was a drug which made me benefit both mentally and physically. Now more than a decade further I still see how seductive it is, what a strong impact it has and how it affects and can control my life. Fortunately with all the experience and wisdom I got right now, I can step back and take distant of it.
The positive effects I have felt do not outweigh all the negativities. Every day waking up as if I slept only 2 hours, albeit I was sleeping more than average. Every day feeling this void, emptiness and dissatisfaction in life. All this temporarily ended when I rolled another joint, lit it up, and got sucked in to the relaxing and chilling effects of the THC that hit my brain cells.I have suffered depressions and made it worse with drugs. I have felt exhausted and empty and made it worse drugs. So far the long term effects of any drugs I have taken have not done me any good.
Yes the short term effects are awesome, yes I have learned a lot, both directly and indirectly from taking these substances. Yes, at times I can still enjoy it, and I definitely do not want to preach not to take drugs or smoke marihuana, just remember the consequences.
No matter how many philosophical answers you get, no matter how many beautiful things you will see, no many how great your experiences are, it will not last. You can and should learn from smoking marihuana, but do not use it as a replacement of your sobriety. I am definitely not against drugs, I think they can teach us many things, but the key is moderation. And moderation is difficult, because it makes you feel so awesome.
Life is not easy though, it is not intended to be easy either. There is no shortcut for enlightenment, you will always have to work hard to get the things you want, to achieve this state of bliss and happiness. Drugs can enhance it, but the problem is that there are very few people who really understand the deeper layers and core essence of it. There is a reason why these substances are so addictive. Life is not meant to be easy, really it is not. The earlier you realize this, the easier it will be for you.
I am not quitting anymore, cause I know I will only delude myself, I just try not to let it control me anymore. I decide the rules, not the other way round. I have guidelines for myself and as long as I keep the discipline to stick to it, there is nothing wrong in smoking a joint from time to time. It is so easy to cross this line though.
It is also so easy to say that one is not addicted to it, that one can quit any moment etc. etc. I think all of us say so, I heard these things many many times, but then if so, why do you not quit RIGHT NOW? If it is so easy to quit, why do you still smoke? You do not need it right? So why smoking? There really is no excuse. If you can quit any moment, there is just one moment to prove it and that is right now.
Be careful, be mindful, enjoy when you can, but do not let anything in your life control you.
I quit for a number of reasons. First off, my health – I was no longer really enjoying the fact that I was breathing in hot smoke. I looked at the resin left over in bowls and started to think, I really don’t want the insides of my lungs to look like this. Secondly, my productivity. I noticed that when I smoked, my drive was just gone. Like others have said, I woke up late and when I did wake I was very tired and just out of it all day, until it was time to smoke again. And when I smoked, me and my friends didn’t have any deep intellectual conversations, profound creative insights, marvelous discoveries or character-defining moments – we were reduced to giggling at nothing, eating frozen pizzas, and watching movies and shows which we’d only forget anyway. Basically a whole lot of nothing is all that happened. Weed made me frighteningly complacent with the fact that my life was going in circles and I was getting nowhere. I haven’t smoked weed since last September, and I don’t know if I ever will again. I don’t want to be okay with doing nothing.
Yay you guys are awesome! It’s cool to read this stuff. It’s much needed contrast to the pro-pot stuff I’m always hearing, and helps remind me why I’m not a stoner anymore. Sometimes when you’re around it a lot it’s difficult to continue abstaining.
@tangledupinplaid21, “Sometimes when you’re around it a lot it’s difficult to continue abstaining.”
Most difficult times for sure! When you are in a room full of people the only one not smoking but still inhaling these intens odeur’s. That is where true will power comes to play.
@spaceghost, Try avoiding these kind of environments if possible (at least at the beginning). And remember that you are the one who decides whether you will take it or not. The decision always lies within you. It can be difficult but if you really want, just make a strong determination up forehand and you will be fine. But you have to be really determined and convinced of your own believes.
@spaceghost, hey man, more power to you. I wish you luck in letting it go….perhaps your productivity and creativity will increase ten-fold if you do. You’re absolutely right, living in a haze is no fun. These times, our youth, our twenties (or teens, not sure how old you are) are supposed to be the best years of our lives, when we are sharpest in mind and body – the perfect time to make lifelong memories. Let’s not settle for being fried on a couch.
@tangledupinplaid21, I understand completely. It seems like there’s a lot of pro-weed stuff going on all the time, and while I don’t think anyone should go to jail or have their life ruined because they want to smoke, I also feel like weed is far from this magical wonder substance some people would have you believe it is. It’s actually, ya know….not the greatest thing since sliced bread. I started smoking in 2006 because I wanted to let my senses go and suspend my belief in reality, I was hoping that weed would loosen up my inhibitions and allow me to be more creative, I thought it would allow inspiration to flow more easily into my life. But that never happened, I just turned into a burnout. My focus was completely shot. It’s not called “dope” for nothing.
As the ol’ johnny depp stated in that pirate movie that i never watched,
“the problem is not the problem, the problem is your attitude about the problem. do you understand?”
I think its important to acknowledge that your perspective is what makes smoking a problem vs not being a problem. if its a problem for you, by all means make a change, or you can change your perspective/attitude.
think about the people that smoke cigarettes for 80 years and live past 100.. they probably enjoyed every minute of it. whos to say there is anything wrong with that? it obviously worked for them, i have a strong feeling that their positive attitude had way more health benefits than the negative effects of smoking.
If smoking weed causes you to think that there is a problem, then by all means, make change- whether it be stop smoking or change your attitude about something that your already doing. I think changing your attitude is actually more challenging but more rewarding. like they say mind over matter. the way you think about anything is way more relevant than the actual event itself. that goes for anything.
a positive attitude will protect you. it will give your body and mind exactly the conditions it needs to heal. this is science. you can eat 100% raw vegan paleo or whatever diet is perfect for your particular system but a 100% negative attitude will completely negate the positive. if you are spending all your times stressing the body never goes into relax/heal/digest mode and the healthy food goes to waste!
so if there is a problem with smoking, change your attitude about it. you might find that you no longer identify with smoking and in that case it will be quite easy to give up. you will never even think about it. or it will continue to be a tool. there are many positive things to focus on about the plant, but its not the plant that demands respect, its you that demands respect for yourself. if you engage the plant but think low of yourself because of it, you will manifest negative effects.
cheers! happy smoking/not smoking
Good for you guys, wanting to quit and sticking to what you want to do. As for me, I quit smoking for a year about 3 years ago and noticed no change in my life, health or stamina other then the fact that i simply wasnt smoking anymore.
I still smoke everyday and it elivates many important parts of my life, such as creativity and motivation to get out the and try new things. It also helps me focus while doing activies i dont much like doing (like running or biking for extended periods of time).
I respect smokers, non-smokers and people who have never tried it. As long as they understand that everyone is effected different and to make no assumptions.
As for those firmly going against marijuana for wgat it did to them… remember, marijuana is not some wonder drug that changes you. All it does is eliviate who you are. So if you are lazy and enjoy playing video games, you will probably get high and sit on the couch all day. There is no reason for blaming weed for that, its who you are and weed is just amplifying your lifestyle.
that’s all well and good but the pro-weed people on this thread….why? you know what the thread is about. it’s like people “liking” things on Facebook that they don’t really like, just so they can talk shit in the comments for it.
How I see it is my state of mind when I am high was kind of draining me. I won’t blame the drug though, because it was just me, I over thought things.
I didn’t really quit, I just stopped from smoking daily because it made me kind of brain dead or just stuck in a “daydreaming” mind set for months.(Taking into account MDMA, LSD, shrooms, drinking)
I thought ditching weed would help, but it didn’t. I just blamed weed for an excuse for my personal problems. I have been smoking again lately, and I feel like I’m back to my mind set where I can be high without mind distractions.
@1love, i think it should absolutely be legal, since i think jail should only be for people who commit violence or sex crime. of course, penalties should apply if someone does something that causes suffering while on weed just like drunk drivers, but i don’t think there is anything wrong with people who want to smoke and cause no harm to anyone. i am very much pro-legalization, it’s just that personally i don’t feel like using it anymore.
@1love, I quit about 5 years ago, mostly because I would freak out more than I enjoyed it.
But there are certain principles you can hold yourself to, like when an excuse is justified or when it is just an excuse.
I was talking about politics not long ago and I was being told all the terrible things one of the parties has planned, but I decided not to let fear drive my choice, that is the kind of principle you can hold yourself to when evaluating your life and choices.
You have your vision of what is or is not good enough, a standard designed by you and only for you, and you move to live up to it.
You want to quit weed to somehow benefit yourself? Quit yourself before you quit weed. Weed is nothing but pure benefit if you know how to harness its power and not be some 420 swagfag who smokes to fit in or look cool. Smoke it as a shamanic ritual, by yourself. Engage in meditation, binaural beats, etc.
To even say that you’re ‘quitting’ weed is ignorant enough.
What a waste
And yet you will get drunk off your ass on the weekends.
Finally a thread showing the other side of drugs, as everyone has different experiences it does get old seeing all the MJ hype.
@aestheticbrah, Sounds like someones had some bad experiences with drunks before, but that shouldn’t make you feel like you need to sit up on your high horse. (Pun intended)
@aestheticbrah, it’s all in the title….”Thread for Ex Potheads (people who have slowed down or quit)”
If you have not slowed down your use of marijuana or quit it, why are you on this thread? You already know going into it that you’re not going to like it. You say it’s pointless for this thread to exist, but it was pointless for you to rag on this thread when you knew from the outset it wasn’t for you.
As for the alcohol thing, I don’t like some drunks either, and I don’t like the bar scene at all. But I’d rather share a case of beers with my friends or relax and sip mixed drinks or wine than smoke marijuana. Maybe I don’t like marijuana anymore because I live in a constant state of anxiety and can’t really enjoy it (need to be further along in life, need more ability, money problems, etc) but from what I experienced, all it helped me do was stop caring about everything, it helped me stop caring about fixing the problems in my life and going for the things I want. And I don’t think that’s what I need.
Ive realized that everytime im dry i have a hanquering want to smoke more cigarettes. But when i got weeds for example (LINK), its literally the exact opposite effect, basically.
Has anyone else had this type of experience? Or even researched this topic? I have heard about people actually quitting by substituting it w/ bud. Interesting to me.
I’ve been having trouble myself trying to quit smoking cigars. I tried searching for other alternatives like vaping but after a month i came back to ciggaretes. I was so desperate to quit and avoid nicotine but then i came across this article that says marijuana can help you quit smoking ciggaretes and turns out, CBD can help after all.CBD can remove positively associated smoking memories from the brain, making it easier for the user to quit altogether. Can someone give me more information or any tips? Thanks