Tormented bus monitor gets deserved response

SumtinProphetic (@sumtinprophetic) 9 years, 7 months ago

This story has been making the rounds today, and I wanted to share it with ya’ll here…

There’s a 10 minute youtube video of a 68 year old bus monitor getting absolutely berated by some asshole middle school kids. The kids are as harsh as can possibly be to this sweet old lady while she sits there, in strenght, and just takes the verbal abuse….

As this video went viral, some humanitarian decided to start a funding campaign to send the lady on a much deserved vacation…. this link describes it better than I ever could, so please check it out and help out if you can.

This campaign strengthens my belief in the goodness of people and my overall view of humanity in general

http://www.indiegogo.com/loveforkarenhklein?c=home

June 20, 2012 at 2:45 pm
SumtinProphetic (4,925) (@sumtinprophetic) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@pipthecynical, dude, even if the moral bandwagon is on the road for a day… whatever. No one deserves to get treated like the way she was, and this outpouring of support for her, even if momentary, shows that people still care and are opposed to the verbal abuse of anyone.

If good exists for even a second, would you want to snuff it out because it doesn’t last? Or would you be content with the fact that there is good at all?

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

She should have the power to kick them all off the bus, I assume these kids have 2 legs each therefore for such a person riding the bus is a priviledge. She’s a human being, not their slave. I hate how our society makes victims out of normal, law-abiding people like this lady by instilling in everyone the fear of lawsuits. It’s a shame things will probably just be like this again after her vacation, and it’s a shame these kids won’t get the good-old-fashioned beatdown they deserve.

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SumtinProphetic (4,925) (@sumtinprophetic) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@pipthecynical, yeah I agree that it does not address the issue at it’s core, but it is nice to see the outrage at the incident itself.

I never said this would solve anything, I simply stated that the morality IS out there, and it’s nice to see.

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@pipthecynical, I hear ya. Like I said, a temporary vacation is just that. The same job and the same kids will be there when she gets back. Perhaps the money would be better spent put towards getting her a better education to hopefully find a better job? It wouldn’t solve the issue with the kids, but it would be a personal solution for the woman.

The only other question is, what should we do about the problem of people being dickheads? My vote is to respond physically, it’s not something one easily misinterprets or forgets. I think laws these days have made people too soft.

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SumtinProphetic (4,925) (@sumtinprophetic) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@theskafish, unfortunately the kids being the assholes typically are the one’s who would respond with violence. I think you’re right though, a swift kick in the ass can be an awfully good motivator to stop being a dick

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SumtinProphetic (4,925) (@sumtinprophetic) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@pipthecynical, very good point. Being on the opposite end of the torment shows you the true pain it can create.

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Partisan (11) (@dawnistoday) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

She doesn’t need a better education, she’s 68 years old. She just needs to get away with a bit of money. Old people (sorry to generalise) don’t want change they just want normal. She’s going to raise about $100,000 and she’ll be set for life. You can’t stop the barrage of idiotic kids harassing people for no reason. They grew up like that and the cycle will continue through their kids, and their’s too.

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Ryan (30) (@ryanj) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

I think that these kids being publically humiliated, due to their actions, on a large scale is enough to make a change. You don’t think that the attention that is being brought to this matter will make many kids change and decide to go against bullying? I truly believe that people that see the disgust that many see in these morally unjust actions, then they will change. I know that I influence many people in my social circle and that my attitude against bullying has made a change.

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Anonymous (170) (@) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

The depravity of our society, is now readily apparent in our children. No doubt their parents are irresponsible, ignorant fucks. If something doesn’t change I weep for the future. I usually adhere to pavlovian conditionings, positive reinforcement, but if I had been there than there would have been some negative reinforcement goin down. Ultimately its not the childrens fault it just shows how utterly disgusting and diseased our society is.

“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” Jiddu Krishnamurti

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Partisan (11) (@dawnistoday) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@imhotep, yeah it truly is sad. The cycle of abuse will continue on and on unless something in the mix is changed

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Anonymous (170) (@) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@theskafish, your post reminded my of this Robert E. Howard quote.

“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.”
Robert E. Howard

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SumtinProphetic (4,925) (@sumtinprophetic) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

For this story to come full cricle, and for change to truly happen to the individuals that persecuted the bus monitor, there needs to be some derivation of restorative justice.

The victim’s troubles have been more than compensated, but just like any criminal case, something should be done to the perpetrators of the incident. Traditional punitive systems would say suspend the kids, expel the kids, make the kids do community service, etc., but these types of punishments don’t address the issue at its core. It’s a you did this, so we’re punishing you this way type of punishment that never fully explains the effects of the perps actions.

Rather, they should really see and really feel the consequences of their abuse. Unfortunately, I think the only truly effective means of teaching a middle schooler how bullying affects others is by taking an eye-for-an-eye approach. LIke @pipthecynical said, these kids have to be individually placed in the same situation as the bus monitor to really feel what it’s like to be in that situation. Feeling the embarassment and defensiveness of someone in that situation would fully help heal the problem and prevent htem from doing it again. Restorative justice focuses on bringing things back to the way things were by compensating the victim and healing the person who acted in the wrong… I think that’s the only way to handle the problem

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SumtinProphetic (4,925) (@sumtinprophetic) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

haha damn, just a few hours after starting this thread, this has become national news. She’s going to be on Good Morning America, Anderson Cooper, and I’m sure a lot more for the next few weeks…. I bet she didnt’ ask for all this…

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Anonymous (170) (@) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@sumtinprophetic, I think these children have, for the most part, been subjected to this abuse. Just as hitting a child, shows them that it okay to use violence if the person deems it necessary. So would subjecting them to that type of mental abuse, its a slippery slope as the saying goes. The problem is that we let anyone who succeeds at mating, raise a child. Which is utterly ridicules, thats why you have kids growing up in crack houses, being subject to atrocious abuses. I think people should have to take classes to become a parent, just through an understanding of Pavlovion Operant Conditioning, and Developmental Psychology, we could drastically mitigate children developing these behaviors. Last but not least, I don’t think having a child is a right, I think its a privilege, if your an idiot who is only alive through the saving grace of modern society and technology, you shouldn’t be able to have a kid. It’s illogical that we would allow those genes to propagate.

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SumtinProphetic (4,925) (@sumtinprophetic) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@imhotep, good luck conjuring a solution to that problem.

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Anonymous (170) (@) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@sumtinprophetic, I hope I’m not the only one trying. But thankfully the vast majority of all societies problems stem from only two things. Therefore at least we have a fighting chance of success.

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Anonymous (481) (@) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@sumtinprophetic, 4chan is terrorizing the kids, their addresses and phone numbers are up on /b/, I almost feel sorry for them, but reducing an old lady to tears and putting it on the internet? Thats just weak.

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DaJetPlane (994)M (@lytning91) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@thomaschong, /b/ has destroyed these kids lol. Not necessarily the best approach, but it beats the heck out of just ignoring it.

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Petergd (149) (@petergd) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

This story makes me upset. What ever happened to respecting your elders? At least the poor old lady is going to get to go on a nice, well deserved vacation.

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Peter (152) (@searchingforthetruth) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

Wow, I can’t believe nearly 250,000 dollars has been raised so far. Incredible. That video was really awful and it saddened me.

I saw the principals email address was listed and decided to send him an email about my concerns with bullying. That page though, really brightens my day..glad to see you have a following that cares.

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Peter (152) (@searchingforthetruth) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@pipthecynical,

Dude, you are one of the most narrow minded pessimistic people I have ever had the privileged of communicating with on HE.

“That problem being some people are dickheads, if everybody is focused on that one singular occasion, simply because it was uploaded to the internet by one of the perpetrators it does not address the cultural issues of giving mutual respect within society, and it certainly does not address the other 500 times the exact same thing will have happened to similar people around the world today.”

It’s a start..would you not agree with that? Would you rather this video not be posted..or are you content with making pompous assumptions about its long term effects on the individuals who view this?

Would you agree that some people watching this are appalled that not one person stepped up to intervene or diffuse the situation…and in doing so would step up the next bullying situation that presents itself?

Of course these things will happen another thousand different times..but this is how we slowly transform our society…by posting experiences onto the world wide web so others may taste the same experience and act differently in the future.

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Alicia Lee (146) (@aliwine) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

I hope all those children get detention or mandatory public service at a retirement home. Then maybe they will understand what aging does to one’s body a little more.

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