Trancending Matter and Tapping The All
I feel like the universe is a singularity, that all boundaries we see are only present because they’ve been helping ancestors avoid predators and become them since life first began moving, I think all psychedelics really do is remove these boundaries, allowing us to tap into the energy of the all, all matter, condensed to a singularity. I also think that if we don’t blow each other up or devolve into some kind of Morlock race, we will slowly grow out of the primal needs to hunt, fight, lie, steal, basically lose the need to hurt.
Right now we’re at the turning point of humanity, it’s a pretty exciting time to alive, for the first time in human history we have global communication, incredible knowledge, extreme technological power, we’re evolving faster and faster, and I believe that we’re either going straight up or straight down.
If we do evolve beyond the primal need for conflict and selfishness, evolve beyond anger, I think that perhaps, over BILLIONS of years, we could evolve into a race that transcends matter, a race with consciousness that is intertwined with the singularity of the universe.
I wonder if there are alien species out there that have evolved into these super races, and these species are the entities many humans report encountering during high level psychedelic trips. Maybe, maybe not, it’s impossible to know, but it’d be cool if it were true.
What do you guys think?
I think that with all the knowledge we think we have now a days, that we know far less than the people of past ages. There were some that lived here with knowledge that is still quite unfathomable even by this so-called modern world we live in today.
Can I prove these things to the skeptics and closed-minded? No.
Do I want to? No.
The countless hours we spend full-filling our mundane desires can be spent doing research into the mysteries behind the reason we are here. But why should I bother with such matters when there is a good movie on or a cool party to go to?
Or perhaps I will just google all that I don’t know, and then I will know it all…LVX
You really think cavemen knew more about the mysteries of the universe than us? Then why did different groups of humans create different religions? The oldest religions must be based on what cavemen believed, and although there are a few similarities, they’re all very different. Some of them believed the world was the shell of a giant turtle, and we know for a fact now that that’s not true. I think we know more about the universe than ever, and I think the more we learn, the less we’ll be able to understand it. Its like looking at a volcano and imagining how you could pick it up vs. actually doing it. We’re primates, hardly evolved out of the jungle, our brains are no where near powerful enough to comprehend the inner-workings of the universe, it’s pretty freaky to imagine the super evolved races that must be out there. So many worlds, so many intelligent beings, all living their strange alien lives in their strange alien worlds. Shit’s crazy, yo.
You’re right, my bad, replace the word cavemen with “people of past ages”.
Like Atlantis? I’d suppose it’s possible. It’s crazy to ponder the mysteries of our history, I wonder what percentage of it is fabricated… 60%, 70%, anyone’s guess is as good as mine.
We have no way of knowing. We might be in a matrix-like simulation. Or maybe I’m just a figment of your imagination. There’s no way of knowing for sure.
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Mankind is a species, not a race.
There is no turning point of humanity. Change is a constant, it is spontaneous and situational, and we also influence it ignorantly.
Evolution is driven by strife and competition, without that we would stagnate and slowly perish.
We would not transcend anything, only wither away.
We are not evolving faster and faster, that has not been the case with humans in a looooong-ass time. People are not evolving these days, only falling to epigenetic corruption and becoming inferior.
The singularity is but a theory.
Imagining something does not mean encountering it. Tripped out people imagine stuff, that’s all there’s to those drugs.
Life feeds on life, that is neither primal nor temporary.
Evolution works because those with advantages thrive more and those who lag behind get weeded out. That’s not primal, and it’s not temporary, it is a law of the universe.
The more you take away the incentive to improve, the less improvement will be made.
The more you take away the incentive to not fuck up, the more fuckups will happen.
Living beings aren’t made for peace, unfortunately.
Real peace would be the end of all of us.
As for tapping the all. Mate, so many people have already tapped her, you wouldn’t feel anything haha.
My argument that this is the turning point of humanity is that this is the first time in history that every single human in the world can communicate instantaneously as long as they have a laptop and an internet connection. We’re closer to world peace than we’ve ever been, it just seems like there’s a lot of violence because the media is so quick to jump on anything that puts us down.
Also, I don’t think you should be so sure of yourself. There’s no way you OR me are 100% right, we could all be in a simulation, or I might be in a coma and this might all be a dream, there’s no way to be sure of anything in this crazy world, but I do feel like there are things tying reality together that are just beyond human comprehension.
I have a question, manimal, why do we perceive beauty in our world? There’s absolutely no evolutionary benefit to it, yet it’s one of the most satisfying things we can confide in. Why have humans developed a sense of it?
Every single human? You have no idea what you’re talking about. Many people can’t community, I guess you do not consider the handicapped and retarded human then… that’s messed up, mate.
We are not closer to world peace, we are closer to world oppression. Artificial peace, a result of someone or something becoming so strong that nobody dares oppose and so they just bow down.
Why we perceive beauty? What makes you think there is a why?
As for evolutionary advantage… mutations just happen, there is no reason. Sometimes they are advantageous, sometimes they are devastating, most of the time they don’t make a difference.
That’s basic evolution for ya. I shouldn’t even have to explain that, but clearly you barely know what evolution even is.
I think it’s messed up to assume retarded people can’t use the internet. As for handicapped even Stephen Hawking can use a computer by moving his eye. Yes, America is basically a fascist state night now, but you must admit that it’s nothing compared to the many horrible regimes instated in the past. Sure its bad, but look at history, dictatorships never last. Things always balance out if you give them enough time.
Beauty practically fuels every human desire, we want beautiful women, beautiful kids, beautiful things, a beautiful place to live. The reason I think there is a why is because I believe that you and me are the same, that everything is one and all that, I know you probably don’t believe in that hypothesis so I didn’t bring it up.
Well, remind me of the last time you received an e-mail from a comatose person. Or last time you skyped with someone who was born with only half a brain?
Are they not part of the “everybody”?
America is not a nation, it’s a big-ass continent with a bunch of nations on it.
There is nothing fascist about any of those countries in their current states. If you think that, you have no idea what fascism even is.
Dictatorships never last? Well, neither do democracies.
History shows us that all the most lasting regimes were dictatorships, and that most democratic regimes don’t last very long.
Democracy is what it is, it’s the best solution but as long as there are idiots it won’t be that good.
Things balance out if you equalize the weights, they don’t magically become equal by themselves. It’s always someone’s doing.
SOME people want all that beautiful stuff. Some don’t give a shit, some despise it. It doesn’t fuel our desires, it’s a mere result thereof.
Your “reason” doesn’t answer the question or even come close, it answers completely different questions that weren’t even asked in the first place.
Why is that?
So let me rephrase the question.
What REASON do you have to believe there is a why? (As in WHY the why?)
What EVIDENCE pulls you toward that conclusion? (Beliefs and theories do not count.)
WHAT do you think this big why would even be? And HOW?
Same questions apply to the “all is one” belief.
Let me clarify my beliefs, I believe that as far as beings, we’re pretty much here to observe, not to answer, we’re a way for the universe to find beauty in itself. The patterns I see everywhere, fractals, Fibonacci spirals, great cosmic equalities like the brightest thing in the universe (quasars) being caused by the darkest things in the universe (black holes), everything seems too perfect to be a coincidence, but that’s just my take on things. I respect the fact that you believe these are coincidences, but I don’t, I really can’t explain why, the things I’ve seen and communicated with throughout my drug use have wholly convinced me that there is a mountain of knowledge about the workings of the universe we simply lack the intelligence to understand, I know within myself there are things going on that run way deeper then we could ever dream of, I guess you’re right, I really don’t have any evidence supporting my claim of there being a reason for beauty, but the experiences and pathway of my life has lead me to reach such a conclusion. The point plane postulate theory is the best evidence I have for my beliefs that all are one (and remember there’s a very clear difference between theories and hypothesis’). Watch this video if you’d like to learn more about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg85IH3vghA
Sorry for using the word America when I meant the United States, that was my bad. But Mussolini described Fascism as “When the government, corporations, and media work together towards goals of profit or power”, if you don’t think that describes the United States at the moment then I’d do some research. I think that all forms of government will always be flawed because people are flawed, if America were a true democracy it’d be ideal, but the presence of the electoral college keeps it from even being a republic. Also, the may have lasted 1,480 years as a dictatorship, but Native Americans lasted 10,000 as hunter gatherers. I’m not saying we should burn down our cities and clothing and run off into the woods, but that’s what humans evolved to be, we’re good at it and we derive satisfaction from that lifestyle.
Unless someone is in a coma, they can use a computer, even the profoundly retarded can click a mouse. People have already been using the internet to stage riots in places like Egypt and Syria. Information can pass around the world in seconds. Compare this to 40 years ago, when you needed to wait weeks if you wanted to talk to someone. You cannot deny this is an earthshaking change.
“we’re a way for the universe to find beauty in itself”
-That literally makes no sense at all.
(And don’t think I’m just not initiated to the idea, I’ve been way down that rabbit hole in the past.)
“The patterns I see everywhere, fractals, Fibonacci spirals,”
-Fractals don’t mean anything.
As for the Fibonacci sequence (and other mathematical “mysteries”) operate on a number system that was created by humans, the interval between numbers being arbitrarily established on a whim.
Simple tricks boggle most minds, but only the feeble attach a meaning.
” the things I’ve seen and communicated with throughout my drug use”
-aka your own thoughts.
“there is a mountain of knowledge about the workings of the universe we simply lack the intelligence to understand,”
-Absolutely. And the main reason they’re so far out of our reach is that a bunch of asshats claim to know how things work when they don’t, and they manage to convince shitloads of people to believe in their nonsense.
Religion is the prime example, but all this new agey stuff is just as bad. And a whole lot of poorly executed “science” has a lot of people deluded as well these days.
You don’t know what you don’t know. Beliefs only push the truth further away.
“he brightest thing in the universe (quasars) being caused by the darkest things in the universe (black holes)”
-That’s an example of what I just said.
Quasars are merely the brightest things known to man at this point. Black holes are merely the darkest things known to man at this point.
Whether or not they are the actual brightest and darkest things in the universe, YOU HAVE NO IDEA. Neither do I.
Not even the scientists know for sure, and they know a whole lot more than you do about the matter. You don’t really have much of a clue, you’ve just chosen to believe in what you heard about it via a bunch of middle men.
As for the correlation between the quasar and the black hole, it is not fully or properly charted and understood. At least not to the big scientific community.
“I really don’t have any evidence supporting my claim[…]but the experiences and pathway of my life has lead me to reach such a conclusion”
-Wait, you managed to type all of that without noticing the huge contradiction?
There is no evidence or support but there is something that leads you to believe? Make up your mind.
A jumped conclusion is a jumped conclusion, no matter what pretty paints and sprinkles you give it.
You don’t know what you don’t know. Belief only pushes the truth further away.
“Mussolini described Fascism as”
-That’s like asking W Bush to define democracy, or asking Stalin to define socialism.
Mussolini only exploited the fascist movement, corrupted it to his liking and ran it into the ground. He was not a fascist, just a power hungry asshat.
No country in the world opposes the core values of fascism as much as the USA does. The people are weak, stupid, dishonourable and lazy; the legal system is against justice, the culture is against responsibility and ability.
Fascism is made for the middle class, to strengthen and reward them.
No nation on the entire planet exploits the middle class as much as the USA does. Their middle class is just food for the filthy rich and the dirt poor.
If you think there’s anything fascist about the USA, you have no idea what you’re talking about.
The USA is just a big marxist machine poorly disguised as a liberal, democratic capitalist republic.
“all forms of government will always be flawed because people are flawed”
But it’s more the idea that is flawed. People coming together just for the sake of coming together, it’s fucked up, it fucks things up.
Dependencies and domestication of people, that’s fucking crazy, yet it’s what society is all about. No matter what kind of society you want, you want to vanquish freedom and cripple the evolution of mankind.
“Also, the may have lasted 1,480 years as a dictatorship, but Native Americans lasted 10,000 as hunter gatherers.”
-Who lasted that long as a dictatorship? (Rhetorical question, but you shouldn’t just put a “they” somewhere without mentioning who you’re referring to.)
Native Americans is not a civilization, never was. Native Americans refers to thousands of different tribes who just happened to inhabit the same continent (“The Americas”.)
The only tribes that left enough traces to be properly researched so that their time line can be estimated were the highly developed ones in the south. The Inca, Maya and Aztec; all of which are known for their blood thirsty, greedy culture.
“we’re good at it and we derive satisfaction from that lifestyle.”
-People just think they’re good at it. Again, you don’t know what you don’t know… belief only pushes the truth away.
Some people do genuinely enjoy society the way it is, but most don’t. They just roll with it because it lets them be lazy, secure and indulgent without any real effort.
By appealing to this desire, big asshats domesticate smaller asshats and get their asshat agendas fulfilled.
“even the profoundly retarded can click a mouse.”
-Some can, some can’t. Some of those who can still don’t have any idea what they’re doing. Some of those who do understand still lack the ability to type or form sentences… and so on.
You can’t save this, buddy. You spoke out of your rear and you can’t stand for it, just accept it and grow instead of trying to slither out of the situation.
“People have already been using the internet to stage riots in places like Egypt and Syria.”
-Right. Only thing is… those people are just corrupt leaders who know how to get idiots to do their bidding, and keep them thinking that they’re the winners.
It’s not an impressive feat, since these fuckers are masters of that game. They just pull a few strings in a very simple sequence, and people go nuts for it, they gather together and beat their chests until they get their master what he wants… and they remain clueless throughout the whole thing, and usually after the whole thing as well.
It would be an earthshaking change, if people put it to good use. But no normal person does that.
First of all, you have no idea if what I believe is right or wrong, neither do I, but I choose to believe it. You need evidence to prove something, but not necessarily to believe in it. Any evidence I have is completely esoteric to myself, I believe fractals and patterns and things like that hold a deeper meaning, you don’t. Neither of us have evidence supporting our claims, and that’s fine.
Your argument about retarded people is just nitpicking at my original argument that the internet is an incredible shift in our society. I’m sure the percentage of people who can’t use computers is very slim compared to those who can.
The Roman Empire lasted 1,480 years, typo, my bad.
Black holes suck up photons, therefore there are absolutely none in them, it is impossible to get any darker than zero photons. Quasars are twice as bright as the brightest stars, there may be an anomaly out there that is somehow brighter but its very unlikely, Quasars are insane, man.
The civilians using twitter to organize to protest corrupt governments are hardly “corrupt leaders”.
Are you kidding me? You honestly believe the internet is only a minor change in our civilization?
Also why’d you down vote me? Just because you don’t agree with me doesn’t mean you need to attack me. I’d like to thank you for taking your time to have a discussion with me, I appreciate your view points and I love discussing things. Thanks dude.
You are without doubt the most arrogant fool on the internet.
And math’s is universal, there is nothing human about it besides the symbols.
I had noticed a rather strange variance for your comments being downvoted despite being superior in structure and quality, I evened the scores out.
I appreciate your support, but he’s just expressing his opinions, you’re free to do as you choose but I didn’t feel his opinions should be censored so I upvoted his comments back to zero. Anyway I feel like we’re all dangerously close to taking things seriously, which really isn’t necessary or fun. We’re pretty much just talking monkeys with some neat technology slightly smarter talking monkeys built for us.
One more thing, the relationship between the Quasar and the Black Hole is entirely understood by science, when a Black Hole is a proper size it will rip apart stars, if the stars are the right density and size their matter will swirl around the black hole at incredible speeds, creating an almost unfathomable amount of friction and heat, creating an apparent magnitude of up to -24 in optimal cases (the brightest star we know of is something like -12).
“Any evidence I have is completely esoteric to myself”
-AKA not actual evidence.
” Neither of us have evidence supporting our claims, and that’s fine.”
-Thing is, you’re making a claim, I’m just questioning it. I make no claim of my own, I hold no belief on the matter.
“Your argument about retarded people is just nitpicking at my original argument”
-See, this is your problem. It’s not nitpicking, it’s the difference between thinking things through and not thinking things through. The latter being a big cause of irrational thoughts.
The devil is in the details.
“The Roman Empire”
-I’m sure we’ve all taken history class, you shouldn’t have to spell it out. That’s why I asked rhetorically.
“Black holes suck up photons, therefore there are absolutely none in them”
-Not how it works according to science, but let’s not go there now.
“it is impossible to get any darker than zero photons.”
-You don’t know that. Not even science knows that. Not yet, it’s just a big damn jumped conclusion.
All these big things, even the most advanced science is just scratching the surface. We’re just getting started discovering stuff.
“there may be an anomaly out there that is somehow brighter but its very unlikely, Quasars are insane, man.”
-Very common fallacy. You just haven’t heard of anything brighter and can’t imagine anything brighter. Neither can I, but I recognize the fact that I don’t know what I don’t know. I haven’t even been to space, have you?
“The civilians using twitter to organize to protest corrupt governments are hardly “corrupt leaders”.”
-They’re just followers, they’re just the snowball that’s been set it motion.
The main reason people are so gullible and easy to manipulate is that you accept things at face value and don’t trace things back to the source or even consider it.
People’s gullibility is what caused the huge power imbalance in the world.
“You honestly believe the internet is only a minor change in our civilization?”
-Compared to what?
Do you have any idea what’s to come?
I didn’t down vote you. Go ahead, blame me just because you can’t take my questioning.
Thing is, I don’t even have the ability nor the desire to downvote or upvote anything. This site is full of useless bullshit functions, so I stripped my browser of them.
Thanks for actually supplying some background on one of your claims.
I have already read about it in the past, I’m very interested in such things.
But still, whether or not it is fully understood by science is a question that has not (and can not) been answered yet, and won’t be for a long time.
Claiming anything to the contrary is fully and directly anti-scientific. It’s prejudice and faith, which is not compatible with science.
You don’t know what you don’t know.
The evidence I have that is esoteric to myself is my communication with other entities, you and me both have no idea if these entities were real or a construct of my mind, but I believe they weren’t. That’s just my opinion though.
Alright, even if you’re only questioning my claim it doesn’t change the fact you don’t have any evidence, but neither do I, so it’s really just a matter of interpretation and discussion, which I love doing so here we are.
Look, I’m sorry for not thinking of retarded people and the handicapped when I said all people can use the internet if they have a laptop and an internet connection, let’s just drop it, we’re not going to get anywhere by nitpicking at each others various hypothesis and dodging the overall point.
Black holes are gravity wells from which light cannot escape, they suck up photons.
Darkness is the absence of light. Light is caused by photons hitting your retina. Black holes suck up all photos which come close to them. This means ABSOLUTELY NO light escapes. You cannot get any darker than that. It’s physically impossible. It’s similar to how temperature works, there’s an absolute zero, but no cap until you start getting to levels of heat that simply cannot exist within our reality due there not being enough matter to fuel them.
Quasars are relatively simple compared to some of the other cosmic happenings in the universe, but you are right in the fact that we may be completely wrong about them. But I’d doubt it. Then again that’s just my opinion.
I said it was very unlikely there is anything brighter. I never said there absolutely wasn’t.
“They’re just followers, they’re just the snowball that’s been set it motion.”
Who set the snowball in motion? Some dude had to have the idea to use twitter to fight the government, and he pulled it off. Even if everyone else was just following his lead they still incited positive change, and that was part of my original argument, that the internet can and has been used to change the world, and it will continue to do so.
“Compared to what?”
Compared to the last 4.5 billion years of life on Earth. Never before in the history of our planet has ALMOST every single member of a species been able to instantaneously (and anonymously if you’re smart) exchange ideas, pictures, games, and now with 3D printers, objects.
“Do you even know whats to come?”
Nope, I’m pretty sure we’ll invent a computer that is smarter than all humans combined some distant (or possibly not so distant if the growth of technology maintains it’s crazy upward pace) day in the future, and THAT will be even more life changing, but that doesn’t make the internet any less life changing by the slightest.
Sorry for assuming you downvoted me. But it’s not like I can’t take your questioning, in fact I wholeheartedly enjoy it, you’re intelligent, if a bit uptight, but still, thank you for your time and your careful consideration in your respective arguments.
Are we reading each others mind or are we reading the same book? I know this way exactly. Connectivity has brought us to the point of recognizing that we’re stuck between animal and God. If animals need psychedelics to perceive the All, how then does the All perceive itself? Through animals. Sometimes I wonder however, who is the greater animal? If lack of resistance is connecting to the All, then what does that say about Humans? I dont see the horses, whales, and birds waging wars over ego, nor do they need the instruction of psychedelics to instruct. I came across an idea that proposed plant life to be the pinnacle evolutionary species on this planet. What do you think?
On the note of transcending matter; physical evolution stops. I believe this is where the sacred sciences come into play. Hermetic philosophy. The universe is MIND, all of it. Time to stop acting like Human Doings and start living as Human Beings.
“Singularity” or unity is the basic underlying principle of all major religions. You are way right on that psychedelics assist to dissolve our perception of the illusory barriers.
Our particular species doesn’t require billions of years to transcend matter. A very select few humans starting millenia ago (Bhagavan Krishna, Siddhartha Gautama, Jesus Christ, etc.) have already comprehended their unity with All to such a complete extent to be able to perform “miracles” like walking on water, healing disease, or teleportation.
Anyone can and will achieve this same realization eventually whether through several or even a single lifetime. https://www.highexistence.com/becoming-christ-like-every-day-can-christmas/
Most of what you said were a string of non sequitur. And you have no knowledge of what evolution is. Evolution doesn’t give a species traits, it is merely the name we have given to how nature forms and creatures survive and strive. Evolution does nothing, it is nothing.
Evolution is a series of mutations, victims of beneficial mutations suited to their environments within a certain species are more likely to survive than their peers, meaning all species are either constantly improving or going extinct. Increased intelligence is a very positive mutation, one that humans have cultivated and expanded enough to get to where we are today. Don’t you think that ancient species closer to the center of the universe that have been evolving for 14 billion years instead of our measly 4.5 would have levels of intelligence incomprehensible to us? All I’m saying is that they might have figured out a way to fuse with the fabric of the universe, maybe, maybe not, but I personally think it’d be way cool if they did.
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On a side note, for the sake of this topic.
Stop nitpicking each other on terminology’s and word usage, not everyone has English as a first language.
Pick up the flow of what they are saying, and fill in the questionable usages with the correct concepts that apply to what they are trying to say so as to understand the senders message.