TRUTH please read

 ThatOfficialGuy (@thatofficialguy) 8 years, 4 months ago

how do we know what truth is ? how do we know what we are told is true . how do we know that the language we speak is really the true language? is truth the origin ? or it truth the “re-constructed” when you look in the mirror how do you know that, what there is . really is there when your eyes cant even see the world for what it really is without the brain? what about numbers? if we couldnt speak supposedly as cavemen. how were these numbers brought about . feet, inches. height , size. why is this “word” that i reasearch give me this definition. the truth . what makes something true . is it because once something is established and created, &everyone comes to an agreement that this is what its going to be . that makes it true? religion , there are so many different religions how do you know which religion is the true religion . vitamins & minerals , elements , cells , were all founded and given a statement to which was brought to the other population and everyone decided if this is the way its going to be .. ever thought about how is the person you are with or just seen view life? is it dull are the colors as bright , how sharp are the edges . is anything blurred? the color blind , if a group of color blind babies were grown up distant from the rest of the world. learned everything the same as everyone else in normal society but the colors they see were true to them because they all agreed that this apple was purple and this grape was red? the hearing impaired may hear something else and say its true because theyve heard it this way . how can you really say anything is true or false? positive and negative , why is this side negative and why is this side positive? i hope i am explaining this correctly i dont want to come off as unintelligent or as to be making no sense . if i am please tell me . the truth , who can accurately determine what truth is , what is true and what is true when since from birth we are told this and we are told that . in america christian might be brought up as knowing this is the truth or if you eat this it is good for you , likewise in asia where their asian religion is told to be the truth , . as if you have a baby and tell a baby that drinking this soda will help you grow big and strong and milk is bad and will make your bones rotten , then until this baby reaches a higher conscious it will forever believe what it is told . just because you are told something it is true or false . once it is determined , it has to stay that way? i think not and has been proven , for years people believed the earth was flat . until you know who came along , now their truth is now false . what if in 100 yrs they figure out the earth is not round or flat , it is in curved in a spiral formation but the human eyes put it together in this shape (bogus trying to make a point) anti matter , matter . how we know something is there and not there . if i was sitting here and heard a voice and there is no one there . does that mean their are spirits or ghosts? just my mind playing tricks? or the neighbor was close to my thin walls and i heard one of his words spoken loudly , .. i can go on an on . but the main question i want to ask . what is truth , how do you define it , and if truth is truth then what is false , or lies to speak of ? if anyone can explain what my mind is trying to type feel free to add on or disagree with me , all feedback is welcome .

June 11, 2013 at 6:44 pm
Joseph (11) (@joesacco) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

This might sound shot out but I think that the “truth” is a “god” in a sense that it is a thing that can understand and recognize every pattern of reality. Your brain is a lot smarter than you because it scans reality and picks out pieces that a well known patterns that you recognize and only allows you to be aware of certain things.. That is ultimate reality.. knowing everything is infinity.. because you know the ultimate truth.

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ThinKaLini (16) (@Thinkalini) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

@dafunks why is what i said crap… open your mind a little bit.. i fully understand what a theory is my point was not too describe a theory at all… are you trying to say that a science theory cannot become a science fact? or are you questioning that most science is estimates? either way that dosent matter because my whole passage about gallieo was just to describe how sure one can be while being wrong the entire time

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Joseph (11) (@joesacco) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

***Your brain is a lot smarter than you because it scans reality, picks out pieces and well known patters and only allows you to be aware of certain parts of those patterns.***

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Joseph (11) (@joesacco) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

It’s like I am the whole universe just starting to realize reality

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noahboat (1) (@noahboat) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

@joesacco, dig your simple vibe . . . we are it pure and simple

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Joseph (11) (@joesacco) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

@noahboat, thanks dude, I’ve just been really thinking about things like this lately and figured I might as well give some of my input on this website considering I never do.

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ThinKaLini (16) (@Thinkalini) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

i dig it too joe… but can you elaborate on it? i mean its cool too be abstract but better to fully explain your beliefs..

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DaFunks (366)M (@Dafunks) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

@thatofficialguy, Truth is EDUCATION. Truth can only be learned. Do you think I am going to give you a simple answer that will blow your mind? If your looking for crap like that look in a bible.

I am not avoiding anything. I read your last reply to me and see no real question?

“HIS IS NOT ABOUT LIGHT SIR THIS IS ABOUT TRUTH , THIS NOT. I SIMPLY SAY DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH TRUTH ”

What is the question here?

You do not think the speed of light is Truth? I think a fact is truth. If your question is about truth I think you need to understand what it is.

If I have not answered your question then maybe I have missed it. Please ask it again in a way I can understand.

@thinkalini, a science theory is fact until proven not. Gravity is a theory.

Many Theories are complete facts. I think in the post you made before this one you were talking about a hypothesis.

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Joseph (11) (@joesacco) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

I think that you are just everything coming into a super all knowing being.. essentially god.. but I also believe there is no physical reality.. there is no way to say what matter is.. we have an idea but ultimately when you get down to it its just patterns… my point is we are not our brain because it can understand more.. I think that’s also what time is.. it’s just us evolving into other levels of perception/or ultimate reality, being able to understand everything.. so you never really die because you are everything in the universe.. you and it are one..

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Obfuscate (126) (@HowardHolmes) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

Whether something is true is irrelevant unless one is merely seeking bragging rights. The only real interest is in understanding. If you and I discuss a subject there is either understanding or misunderstanding. Truth, belief, knowledge, ideas, concepts and opinions are not relevant. If there is understanding, this is all we can hope to attain. If there is misunderstanding then discussion can continue until there is understanding. We again have attained the ultimate. We can then start applying all sorts of meaningless labels such as truth and/or knowledge but they serve only to laud. The labels add nothing to reality. The reality is understanding. There is nothing beyond understanding.

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ThinKaLini (16) (@Thinkalini) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

Possibly im not going to argue with you there, you seem to be more educated then me on the facts of science …. im not one of the scientific types, most of it bores me because like the original post is stating all of it could be a false perception.. we could all be characters in a higher-beings video game… all be in the matrix.. the possibilities for why we are what we are and why we precieve the things the way do are infinite … now you might think this type of thinking is silly but i think you believing everything you see is silly @dafunks

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ThatOfficialGuy (7) (@thatofficialguy) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

okay @dafunks, come on . what are ya trying to do.? you think i made this post so someone would say something that would blow my mind? even if someone could come up with the intelligence to make my mind blow away would not even stop me from continuing to ponder. i know what you are talking about , i understand where you are coming from . i used to have your mind frame , . it seems to me that your are very educated but , you have become so educated and caught up in this educational web . that you cannot get out of this web . you are stuck ,, what you are saying just revolves in a circle. i appreciate you for continuing to respond to my nonsense also , but my question to YOU is simply . HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT WHAT YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED TO BE SO-CALLED TRUTH . IS TRUE? do i need say more?

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unknown (3) (@trip) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

TRUTH-Your brain works on connections. So naturally it tries to connect things that aren’t connected in order for them to make sense. Brainwashing a human is as simple as showing them videos telling them it was there childhood. They are then reported to claim to have memories of something that didn’t really happen. IF you’ve ever looked up the Stanford Prison experiment for the majority of humans truth is what your told. The only thing that you can really ever accept as truth is that you know nothing.

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Joseph (11) (@joesacco) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

@howardholmes, I agree.. it doesn’t matter what value you put to it because truth is truth no matter what.. the we understand the concept of truth but can’t grasp what it actually is.. you can never be completely certain about something.

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Joseph (11) (@joesacco) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

@trip, damn.. wow. that’s so true.

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Joseph (11) (@joesacco) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

but is it true?

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Joseph (11) (@joesacco) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

that’s like a mind fuck right there..

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DaFunks (366)M (@Dafunks) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

@thinkalini, I don’t think you silly.

I don’t believe everything I see.

A lot of people think that these things we call FACTS or THEORIES are just things people think of. People think they right a short book about it and people believe it.

Its not like this at all. The amount of work that goes into proving a theory is crazy. Even after you publish it it goes through many people looking at the evidence and questioning it, debating it, ripping it apart, coming up with a different hypothesis, so many thing! It is nothing like people think.

Do you really think TRUTH is something people just come up with? Do you think if it was people would believe it? If someone told you something was fact I would hope you would question it. Well, I do.

I have recreated some theories myself. I do not have a lab like they do in uni’s but I try my best. I read many science papers and from some of them I learn some amazing things.

Truth is FACT. Fact does not change. If it did it would not be fact.

But no, I do not think your silly. Maybe I was over the top (Its late here) so maybe I should have replied differently. If so, I am sorry.

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DaFunks (366)M (@Dafunks) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

@thatofficialguy,
Ah ok. i have already answered this.

“HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT WHAT YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED TO BE SO-CALLED TRUTH . IS TRUE? do i need say more?”

Because I research it and test it myself. Maybe you should do the same.

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unknown (3) (@trip) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

I don’t know. You could say that you know for truth that your sitting in a room typing on a computer, but you see the computer as it was like a half a billion of a second ago or something. And your minds only interpreting what your eyes told you. You may feel your hands on the computer, but your minds still only interpreting what your senses tell you. How do you know your sense are real, and correct. Just because they tell you something, in a way that seems true?

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DaFunks (366)M (@Dafunks) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

@howardholmes, Do you think you can get truth in understand? Would the goal of understanding something “ultimately” be the truth of that thing your trying to understand?

“Whether something is true is irrelevant unless one is merely seeking bragging rights. ”

I think this would depend. If the Truth is something that benefits something (Like a cure) then truth is more than a bragging right. It has a use. If truth is something like proving someone wrong then you’re completely correct. Not that bragging rights is wrong.

You do make some great points though. In most cases I would completely agree.

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Joseph (11) (@joesacco) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

and that is why the matrix is a great movie folks

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DaFunks (366)M (@Dafunks) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

@trip, Because I can prove these things other ways. Maybe what I am seeing is fake. I can use other ways of proving something, I can also use other people.

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DaFunks (366)M (@Dafunks) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

@joesacco, I agree.

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Joseph (11) (@joesacco) 8 years, 4 months ago ago

@dafunks, you are ultimately making an assumption that truth is truth but that’s still a belief you have..you can’t even be certain that truth is truth no matter what, because truth is absent, there can always be doubt.. it’s like infinity. you might never be able to reach truth.. does it just stop at some point? or could you keep infinitely searching for it?

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