Two Part Discussion – The Flawed Monetary System and Soldiers: Brainwashed?

Eric (@blankey) 9 years, 12 months ago

First off, I want to make it clear that I respect the soldiers who have fought in the wars for they are trying to help protect their loved ones and their people and I commend them for it. They are simply told what to do and they do it, it is not their fault, especially if they were drafted.

But are soldiers brainwashed? To me they are. Here is why:

Think about what a soldier’s job is. They are to protect a system and government that is fundamentally corrupt. Soldiers are told to kill and they kill. They invade and they invade. They do not even think for themselves in most cases. Money is the basis for war now a days.To go even farther, most citizens of the U.S. and other countries seem to be brainwashed. This brainwashing seems to stem from not having enough time to educate ones self on the systems at hand and instead living out your day to day lives and making those monthly pay checks. With having some knowledge on the basis of money (money=debt) and how the only way control over people inherently works is with force, to me, something fishy is going on here.

If you do not know how the monetary system works, here you go…

Inherently, with this monetary system, some people will be on the wrong end of the stick and be poor. This is due to money equaling debt. We create money essentially out of thin air. Money is created out of debt through loans. These loans are based on a bank’s reserves, these reserves are derived from deposits. Any one deposit can create nine times its original value. In turn, debasing the existing money supply, raising prices in society, and since all of this money is created out of debt, and circulated randomly through commerce, people become detached from their original debt, creating a disequilibrium where people are forced to compete for labor in order to pull enough money out of the money supply to cover their costs of living. The only way this system works is with interest. When the government borrows money from the FED, or when a person borrows money from a bank, it almost always has to be paid back with a crude interest. Basically, every dollar that exists has to eventually be returned to a bank with interest paid as well. But, if all money is borrowed from the central bank and is expanded by commercial banks through loans, only to what is referred to as the “principle” is being created in the money supply. So then, where is all of the money to cover all of the interest that is charged? Nowhere. The amount of money owed to the banks will always exceed the money available in circulation. This is why inflation is a constant in the economy.

“If there were no debts in our money system, there wouldn’t be any money.” – Marriner Eccles (governor of the federal reserve)

January 31, 2012 at 5:35 am
Peter (152) (@searchingforthetruth) 9 years, 12 months ago ago

I don’t think soldiers are necessarily brainwashed..at least not all of them. They are some extremely intelligent soldiers. The problem lies in misinformation, information purposefully covered that if known would change the perspective of the given situation. Those who control the information, have the power. That’s why much of the soldiers of Nazi Germany committed the crimes they did and how bank tellers can be apart of fraud instituted by the CEOs.

Its the same with monetary policy. That subject is extremely important. You can wonder why this information was never taught in public schools. It is a federal system.

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Rob Goughnour (9) (@thegouj) 9 years, 12 months ago ago

the unfortunate reality is that someone will always have the short end of the stick. If we switched to a barter system and you only had clothing to trade with and you needed food, you would probably go to a farmer and ask for some crops in exchange for your clothing. Now lets say that this farmer already has plenty of clothing and has no need for anymore. Now there is no deal. This is where currency comes from.

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 9 years, 12 months ago ago

@Rob, watch Zeitgeist: Moving Forward


@Peter
, Brainwashed does not equal unintelligent. Some of the most intelligent people can be brainwashed, especially when not given enough information or the opportunity to learn it. But yeah, your right, it is because they own the whole entire system, therefore, get to choose what info goes in and out. Once the internet came about…well that is when I’m guessing they knew they were screwed
Here’s a good quote from Zeitgeist I found on IMDB. “The last thing the men behind the curtain want is a conscious informed public capable of critical thinking. Which is why a continually fraudulent zeitgeist is output via religion, the mass media, and the educational system. They seek to keep you in a distracted, naive bubble. And they are doing a damn good job of it.” – Peter Joseph

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Daniel (7) (@meta) 9 years, 12 months ago ago

Soldiers aren’t out there risking their lives to protect the crony capitalism that you are referring to, they are out there to protect your freedoms and the freedoms of all of the citizens. What evidence do you have that suggests soldiers are brainwashed? I apologize that our ACUs aren’t tie-dye with philosophical quotes written on them. Uniformity isn’t a bad thing, as much as you’d love to think that it is. It is functioning, it is the reason why no back woods militia will ever win a gun fight with our soldiers, it’s the reason you can sleep in peace at night when you lay down your head. Explain to me how any country can exist without a military. Don’t give me the world peace bullcrap answer either, everyone who isn’t full-blown mental knows that can never happen.

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Matt (26) (@greenthinker) 9 years, 12 months ago ago

@Daniel Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.

If you can’t settle your differences peacefully then you need to grow up. I’m not protecting my house if I go to my neighbor’s house and punch him in the face. I’m being an asshole.

America can keep it’s army, and a portion of it’s military spending. It should fortify it’s defenses against any attack, which means there is no reason to leave this land. That way we know who is attacking us and who we should be attacking back.

If you want to use 9/11 for an example, put an armed soldier on every plane in the pilot’s cockpit.

And a back woods militia would never stand toe to toe with us, they would attack us and run so we end up spending 15 trillion dollars chasing them.

@OP I think the army is glorified and soldiers, especially in high school, are persuaded to join because it looks cool. I’ve seen this with my own eyes when my friends joined and had no idea what they were fighting for, they just wanted to shoot guns at people.

As far as the monetary system, I am thinking about an idea where businesses donate a portion of their sales directly to charity. Starbucks and Subaru started doing this and I think it could solve some serious problems. IMO capitalism is a game. The game’s rules are not fair if one player can “unfairly” manipulate to win. The sales to charity almost addresses this problem.

This is a very relevant video to this topic: youtu.be/vts0tqsFcJ0

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 9 years, 12 months ago ago

People are still dying of hunger, therefore charity is not clearing it up completely. Sadly enough…

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Kevin (536) (@placid) 9 years, 12 months ago ago

I think its kinda ironic that they think they are fighting terrorism but the U.S has been participating in terrorist activities for at least 60 years.

And soldiers have some of the biggest egos ever.

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Daniel (7) (@meta) 9 years, 12 months ago ago

Soldiers can have big egos because they do big jobs, something that you would never think of doing. Self-sacrifice isn’t a common trait, but it’s something very common among soldiers. When I lace up my boots I’m not thinking about taking the life of another human being or protecting the government from it’s manipulative ways, I’m thinking about keeping the battle out of my countrymen’s front yards. Why do all of you ignorant people automatically associate the military and it’s members with the fucked up agendas of government?


@Matt
, I agree that people should be able to solve their problems peacefully. That being said, all people aren’t like that, they don’t want peace, they are uncomprimising religious zealots who want nothing more than to destroy the western way of the life and the freedoms directly associated with it. This world is not pretty, people aren’t nice, governments aren’t truthful, and citizens are ignorant.

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Kevin (536) (@placid) 9 years, 12 months ago ago

@Daniel “something that you would never think of doing.”
You are assuming. You think you have something that I don’t have.

“Why do all of you ignorant people automatically associate the military and it’s members with the fucked up agendas of government?”
Because the government uses the military for their fucked up agendas?

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Rob Goughnour (9) (@thegouj) 9 years, 12 months ago ago

@Eric I’ve seen all the Zeitgeist documentaries, there are many incorrect facts. It cannot be trusted. http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/zeitgeist-federal-reserve

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Alec (12) (@alec7) 9 years, 12 months ago ago

@Daniel “I’m thinking about keeping the battle out of my countrymen’s front yards. Why do all of you ignorant people automatically associate the military and it’s members with the fucked up agendas of government?”

While protecting your countrymen is a noble task, isn’t that exactly what your enemy is thinking? Except in their position, the battle is actually in their front yard.

“they are uncomprimising religious zealots who want nothing more than to destroy the western way of the life and the freedoms directly associated with it”

This is the argument I have seen time and time again from Americans. The last time ‘they’ (Who are you referring to? Muslims? Terrorists? Anyone America fights?) attempted to destroy the western way of life freedoms was 9/11. This, however, only occurred after prolonged involvement in THEIR territory. After countless civillians were killed, the extremists among them decided to do something about it.

That being said, I do not support terrorism, or acts of revenge. I do, however, recognize the underlying factors that often cause these tragedies. (i.e. religious beliefs, revenge, media, ‘right’ purpose) If you look at that list, it explains almost all of the US military conflicts. They kill our civillians, we kill theirs. How can a policy of revenge and conflict exist in a nation that claims to be peaceful and righteous. “We’ll worry about the peace later, for now we have to kill everyone who doesn’t want it.”

Look at Gandhi, MLK, Rosa Parks. They didn’t get peace and respect by killing everyone who disagreed with them, they led by example.

It’s been said before, but “Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity”

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Daniel (7) (@meta) 9 years, 12 months ago ago

How many people went to MLK rallies with RPGs and AKs? How many bombs did they hide in the ground? That is a political and social fight, war is a violent fight. I’m not defending war here, I don’t want to be shot at and be in constant danger, I am defending soldiers. You obviously will never understand why people become soldiers so it’s pointless to try to explain. You take a fucked up government policy and then come to the conclusion that the soldiers are evil because of it. There isn’t a peaceful utopia, it’s all shitty and it always will be.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 9 years, 12 months ago ago

Well i was in the military, and from personal experience, 99% of them are brainwashed. Its a fucked up system that I will NEVER support. Fight your own fucking wars.

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Alec (12) (@alec7) 9 years, 12 months ago ago

good video to explain our ‘enemies’ perspective

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Alec (12) (@alec7) 9 years, 12 months ago ago

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMHBEAeNa-c>

good video that explains why the countries we occupy might not like it… and why the US must convince you they’re the bad guys.

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Alec (12) (@alec7) 9 years, 12 months ago ago

@Matt

Was that directed towards me? Because I agree with everything you said.

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Jay (281) (@cptapples) 9 years, 12 months ago ago

something that hasn’t been mentioned is The rhythm of a march is very similar to a chant, it induces a mild form of Hypnosis.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 9 years, 12 months ago ago

A soldier is, per definition, brainwashed. It’s a requirement for a soldier, always has been and always will be.

As for the economy, nobody has to be poor at all. If everyone put out the same effort and quality everyone would have the same income (and the economy would pretty much cease to exist) but that’s not the case. That’s why some get rich and others get poor. The economy isn’t to blame for this, each individual is to blame for his own economy no matter how good or bad.

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 9 years, 11 months ago ago

@Jay, very interesting and makes sense.

So yeah, I would say they are, question is, how can we make this stop?

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 9 years, 10 months ago ago

bump for the new HEthens :)

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 9 years, 10 months ago ago

Everyone is brainwashed in some way or another unless you’re free of all the influences that have been put on you since birth. A brainwashed soldier is no different than a brainwashed peace loving hippie

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 9 years, 10 months ago ago

Just varies by the degree and what you ‘believe’ in

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 9 years, 10 months ago ago

I forgot to mention the person saying that everyone is brainwashed is also brainwashed (myself). No one is free from it. Well not no one, but almost no one.

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 9 years, 10 months ago ago

@Shanice, Word.

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 9 years, 10 months ago ago

Let me rephrase. I wasn’t trying to attack anyone by saying that, I was just using it as a contrast. Of course, we should try to have peace in the world. But what I was saying is that once it becomes part of your identity, something that defines who you are, it is no longer real. It’s just a concept like anything else, no better in my opinion than what many soldiers are brainwashed with. It’s on the same plane of thought. Is that to say that everyone who stands for peace is brainwashed? No. It’s the same with soldiers. I don’t think that all soldiers are brainwashed either.

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