Two Part Discussion – The Flawed Monetary System and Soldiers: Brainwashed?

Eric (@blankey) 9 years, 11 months ago

First off, I want to make it clear that I respect the soldiers who have fought in the wars for they are trying to help protect their loved ones and their people and I commend them for it. They are simply told what to do and they do it, it is not their fault, especially if they were drafted.

But are soldiers brainwashed? To me they are. Here is why:

Think about what a soldier’s job is. They are to protect a system and government that is fundamentally corrupt. Soldiers are told to kill and they kill. They invade and they invade. They do not even think for themselves in most cases. Money is the basis for war now a days.To go even farther, most citizens of the U.S. and other countries seem to be brainwashed. This brainwashing seems to stem from not having enough time to educate ones self on the systems at hand and instead living out your day to day lives and making those monthly pay checks. With having some knowledge on the basis of money (money=debt) and how the only way control over people inherently works is with force, to me, something fishy is going on here.

If you do not know how the monetary system works, here you go…

Inherently, with this monetary system, some people will be on the wrong end of the stick and be poor. This is due to money equaling debt. We create money essentially out of thin air. Money is created out of debt through loans. These loans are based on a bank’s reserves, these reserves are derived from deposits. Any one deposit can create nine times its original value. In turn, debasing the existing money supply, raising prices in society, and since all of this money is created out of debt, and circulated randomly through commerce, people become detached from their original debt, creating a disequilibrium where people are forced to compete for labor in order to pull enough money out of the money supply to cover their costs of living. The only way this system works is with interest. When the government borrows money from the FED, or when a person borrows money from a bank, it almost always has to be paid back with a crude interest. Basically, every dollar that exists has to eventually be returned to a bank with interest paid as well. But, if all money is borrowed from the central bank and is expanded by commercial banks through loans, only to what is referred to as the “principle” is being created in the money supply. So then, where is all of the money to cover all of the interest that is charged? Nowhere. The amount of money owed to the banks will always exceed the money available in circulation. This is why inflation is a constant in the economy.

“If there were no debts in our money system, there wouldn’t be any money.” – Marriner Eccles (governor of the federal reserve)

January 31, 2012 at 5:35 am
Shivvy (86) (@shivvy) 9 years, 3 months ago ago

In a way I would say yes, I think soldiers are brainwashed. But I think this stems from the idea that just because I live in Canada and you live in Afghanistan, that I am catholic and you are muslim therefore you are my enemy. I could not possibly kill a fellow man because when we remove all the labels we are all brothers and sisters; it doesn’t matter what color your skin is or what god you worship, we are all human beings and should look out for each other. No one could convince me to shoot a stranger for the mere reason that that person most likely has a family. Ever see all the sad videos on youtube about dads/moms not coming home from the war? It’s super sad, and yet we kill way more people than they kill of our own soldiers. But somehow that’s okay according to society, because we’re defending ”freedom”.

For what it’s worth, my cousin has gone to Afghanistan twice, has killed, and I greatly respect the fact that he’s willing to put his life on the line for our country. That in itself takes courage. I just don’t agree with the reasons behind sending our troops over seas.

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 9 years, 3 months ago ago

@wowgiveuponlifeplz, Seems to me you are refusing to even consider the possibility. In order for someone to kill another human because someone told them to, it seems logical to me that they are indeed being brainwashed.

Also, the reasons for war now a days is NOT for “defending our country”, besides, no one can even fuck with us, so who are we defending against? War is there to set up oil rigs, shoot some pricey bullets, and drop some even pricier bombs. War is a business and it is being fed by people who either ignore the facts, are unaware, or are being brainwashed to actually go and fight these retarded wars.

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wowgiveuponlifeplz (2) (@wowgiveuponlifeplz) 9 years, 3 months ago ago

Your all still gigantic idiots,

Everything has a price, everybody needs a job, the world changes on a 24/7 basis. Yet we have been fighting for the last 2000 years, I’m doubtful there has been too many periods in time where there wasn’t some sort of violence.

Any person who thinks a soldier is brainwashed is just stupid. They are speaking off of random rhetoric. Killing is as simple as Black and White, some thoughts that probably go through my head when I’d have to kill would be; Is this life a contribution? Does this person want to live? How did he come to these circumstances? Of course you can’t answer all these questions in a minute. as probably gun fire or some sort of risk is being given to yourself just by taking a moments paused. Go to a warzone. It’s kill or be killed.

Blankey your just a retard, For a website that encourages thinking you’ve already sent your mind straight down the toilet. The only reason it seems logical to you, is because you’ve never done anything war related, probably are pretty uneducated and other issues that happen when you were raised on a mental deficit.

I’m just going to go through the first couple of things wrong with your statement.

1) Defending our country, I’m going to assume off the top of my head you live in a country that is probably a Western Power, Canada, U.S.A or something. You know however that there are more soldiers then those just placed in the western world, and there are more wars then the ones being fought in the Middle East. Hell even look at Mexico, which can be a hostile place for it’s own people. Those are the reasons people go to war, to help their fellow brothers and to bring stabilization to their region. Myanmar, a Islamic person raped a Buddhist, producing a huge civil war conflict against two Religions. They use to live side by side yet now they’ve come to the table of war to balance. As your enemies on the battlefield are decided by pure circumstance. Tell your stupid fucking logic to the poor souls fighting in Aleppo for the basic right to breathe and be free. But of course you don’t, your once again, ( I need to highlight this more than once) Nothing more than an idiot.

Shivvy, I’ll just throw this idea out there, is it that hard to fight a war, considering your fully equipped, have multiple support teams, Tanks, Airplanes, Radar? Or is it way harder being underfunded, undermanned, with ragtag groups of guns and ammo? Yeah thats the war in Afghanistan and the only reason thats not over with is because Americans are idiots. Which is why a vast majority of other countries either have bad thoughts of you guys, or don’t really give two shits either way.

gtfo

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wowgiveuponlifeplz (2) (@wowgiveuponlifeplz) 9 years, 3 months ago ago

p.s Eric should be banned, useless content overload

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chadld (9) (@chadld) 9 years, 3 months ago ago

Iv’e enjoyed reading all of these post telling me why i do the things i do….. I don’t kill because im told 2. I kill because someone is shooting at me. Its as simple as that. If they didnt shoot at me i would bag them and bring them home..that would make our job a lot easier. BTW Eric the reason why nobody will “fuck with us” is because they are scared of our “brainwashed” soldiers. Their are millions of guys like you in this world who sit at a computer, pretending they have the world all figured out. If you believe that your country is fighting an unethical war….step away from the keyboard and dedicate yourself to changing something…even if its a small change. You are as sad as the blog you created.

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Starski (4) (@starski) 9 years, 3 months ago ago

@chadld, “I don’t kill because im told 2. I kill because someone is shooting at me. Its as simple as that.”

You are told to go to the position in which you are being shot at, correct? I personally am ignorant to military strategies but i’m sure your commanding officer doesn’t say ” yeah guys go where ever you’d like to day, have a blast.” No, an officer may order their unit to help supply a village, in which you are shot at and you replay back. They are indirectly ordering you to kill. In the end, a basic ideology of the military is to “protect the guy fighting next to you, and to follow commands, in which the guy next to you is also following.” (From what iv’e gathered from my friends and relatives in the military and their thought on the training). This seems like a one way street of thought if ya ask me.

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chadld (9) (@chadld) 9 years, 3 months ago ago

@starski, Ive seen Children mutilated, woman decapitated, and entire villages wiped off the map because they accepted things that i would say most people on this blog couldn’t go one day without..things like shoes, food, and toys for children. If you think i am indirectly being ordered to kill men who hold these people hostage from a decent life…..so be it. I have seen people living in worse conditions then most Civilians could even fathom..you guys give your 30 cents a yr to a random charity and pat yourself on the back…Go ahead and patronize my way of life….I promise i wont call you out on yours.

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Starski (4) (@starski) 9 years, 3 months ago ago

@chadld, You did call us out by assuming we simply sit behind a computer and not taking action, besides donating the whole $.30 a year of course. I respect the idea of fighting for your country and what it represents, however i believe that is not the case anymore. You can not deny that obedience is mandatory in any branch of the military, it has and always will be a standard for any type of a hierarchy. I do not doubt to any extent the horrifying scenarios you have witnessed while in combat. I simply find the situation ironic.

America of all countries, is traveling to a land across seas to set up a government we find acceptable, fighting with people who are not united by a uniform. We are singling out a certain type of people based on their religion and beliefs. If they’re religion includes the repression of women or their hatred for America, so be it. I mean, wasn’t America founded on a certain set of principles, two being freedom of Religion and speech? What Osoma did was a crime, and it should have been taken as a crime, not an unofficial war. I don’t see a difference of a 5 year old in colonial times seeing a red coat shooting their parents, and an american soldier doing the same.

My argument is not with you and I’m not patronizing your life, your just doing the job. My argument is with your bosses.

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chadld (9) (@chadld) 9 years, 3 months ago ago

@starski,i understand what your trying to say, but let me explain something to you. I am a Line Medic in the 1st INF Div. Whether or not you believe the principles in which this war was founded makes no difference to me. This unofficial war that you speak of was declared by Osama Bin laden when he signed the declaration of jihad. He did not just “hate” Americans, he would like nothing more then to see all of us dead. I have never killed on orders, especially in front of children . Again, whether you believe that or not is up 2 you. I have rebuilt villages, I have participated in missions defending Afghans from their own people, i’ve seen children wait at the edge of villages for our arrival…just so that they can eat and play with whatever kind of toys we have brought them that day. I have provided medical attention on both of my tours, serving more local nationals and Afghan families then american soldiers.. What im trying to say is that if you truly believe American soldiers are trained or ordered to go around shooting random people (whether they are in front of children or not) then maybe you should consider leaving the country…because if I were to believe that was going on in my Army, i would.

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mellymindfnck (0) (@mellymindfnck) 9 years, 3 months ago ago

I haven’t read all the replies yet, mainly because, of the ones I’ve read so far, many are so dismissive of the idea that military men and women are actually regular people, complete with the ability to assess their situations and themselves.

Like in any demographic, the military has their own individuals that can be free thinkers, spiritualists, and many (that I’ve deployed to Afghanistan with) are legitimate geniuses.

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@wowgiveuponlifeplz, PS I’m a mod. I can ban you, and of course, I will not, but please don’t threaten people on these forums for discussing ideas that WILL be controversial. You can’t get all butthurt over something that you don’t agree with. Open your mind and accept the possibility of all things.

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@chadld, And I am doing something. The only thing I want to do in my life is change the current corrupt system we live in, this includes war, which is, by far the dumbest thing humans can do. If we started to actually use our pre-frontal cortex we wouldn’t have wars. It is not necessary to go inflict our ways on other countries, set up military bases, and take their oil.

I am going to this: https://www.highexistence.com/how-we-can-actually-change-the-world-pt-33/

Oh and watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKfuS6gfxPY

@mellymindfnck, This goes out to everyone. Brainwashed people are NORMAL people. Hitler brainwashed an entire nation. Every SINGLE person can be easily brainwashed and routinely do. Stop getting so god damn butthurt people.

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

Soldiers may be brainwashed. We can’t assume that we are not though. What if everything you think is wrong? @blankey, you say open your mind to the possibility of all things, but then say that war is evil and dumb in all cases. That seems like an absolute statement. How do you reconcile?

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 9 years, 2 months ago ago
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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@blankey, is your mind truly open then if you have stagnant beliefs? How can you be sure you are right? That zeitgeist stuff and conspiracy theories and having the ideal of taking down the corrupt system seems very ideological to me. Try to imagine a scenario where conspiracies don’t exist. To me, that is much more terrifying and much deeper than saying some guys are manipulating the population. Couldn’t there be other ways our society is the way it is besides it being a conspiracy? The zeitgeist is just one tiny point of view.

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@mikeyw829, Have you ever seen Zeitgeist? It does NOT say some random dudes sit in a room and talk about what to do next in the world. It is NOT illuminati bullshit. It is facts upon facts and a possible solution to those sad facts about the way this system works.

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@blankey, I’m not saying it’s wrong. Just that it comes from one angle, and to me it seems like they connect dots that simply don’t exist. Or maybe they do exist in some cases, they just aren’t the full story.

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yoinkie (1,498)C (@yoinkie) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

“the reasons for war now a days is NOT for “defending our country”, besides, no one can even fuck with us, so who are we defending against?”

@blankey, That is probably the least educated, misinformed, and infinitely ridiculous statement I have ever heard on these forums. No one can fuck with us? How can anyone who is even slightly informed say that?

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@mikeyw829, ….No, they are just a bunch of facts about our history, current problems, and our econcomy. They don’t teach you everything in 12th grade history class.

You can grab any economic book and read that money is created out of thin air and is only tangible through debt, our debt. This means that debt is a constant, same with inflation. This money is then distributed to companies that our of course, better than us, so get a larger sum of money. This then “trickles” down the clogged funnel to the other 99% and is distributed ridiculously unevenly. This makes the system imbalanced from the start. Balance is the key to life imhp, and if it is missing from the very root of our system, the monetary system, we are bound to have issues, loads of issues.

Let me take you on a tour of the monetary pyramid, globally. Inherently, there will be starving people, poor people, living pay check to pay check people, your middle class (which is rapidly dwindling, thus making the system even MORE SO imbalanced), your upper class, and finally the 1%.

Sounds like fun to me! At least if you’re at the top, which of course, depends entirely on where you spawn on the globe. Everything cycles. Of course, there are VERY few exceptions to the cyclical nature of our class system, but this only makes the masses think that THEY will be that exception when in reality that is far from the truth.

WHY DEFEND THIS SYSTEM?! Why hurt other humans, especially when we started it!

@yoinkie, Okay, perhaps some could try, but it would be turn into a huge fucking gang bang and hypothetically in a direct heads-up battle, yes, the US army would win.

The main reason we have terrorists is because of our foreign policy. Part of the “reason” for war is these “terrorists”. Remember the War On Terror? The reason for war is power structures trying to maintain themselves. Once again, why in god’s name help defend the “country” that does this.

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