Update on Valhalla Community Project – 8/7/12

Jordan Lejuwaan (@jordan) 9 years, 9 months ago

Hey everybody! As some of you know, I’m now up in Montreal, Canada working on the Valhalla project, which was introduced in the ‘How We Can (Actually) Change The World’ blog series. Here’s a quick update for you.

We’ve rented out a massive house 1 minute driving from the land itself. Currently 9 people are living full-time or almost full-time in the house with more trickling in over the new few months. The land itself is absolutely gorgeous and MASSIVE. 60 acres is a lot of land. Thousands of dollars worth of trees and plants have already been donated and planted on the land. We tried out our first home-grown peaches yesterday. Delicious. We’ve dug a large pond (> 20 ft. deep), which will eventually serve as a fishery, swimming pool and visual gem. A Canadian company has committed to building a huge patio with furniture next to the pond in exchange for videos of the installation. Speaking of sponsorship, we’ve attained some hefty contracts building websites for some local businesses in exchange for capital and resources.

In terms of building, we’re going to meet with a local woman this week who has mastered Earthship style building. Apparently the clay found naturally in the ground in Montreal is the perfect material for insulated housing. The winters here go far below 0 degrees, and this woman only had to use her heater once last winter. Clay goes a long way!

The group we have here so far is amazing. We put together 10 committees last night to take care of the different parts of the project, and the variety of skills and interests in our group spread out perfectly. Currently I’m working with some people on finalizing the logo, and then the website.

In expanding our plans for the community, we’re placing a special emphasis on allowing those outside of Montreal to help out online and in their own communities. So if you can’t fully commit to this project now, rest assured there will be a role for you. As large of a role as you would like to take on.

However if you are interested in joining Valhalla full-time, please message me saying why you are interested & what you can contribute to the effort! Please only message me if you are serious about making the trip over here because my time is now more precious than ever.

If you have any questions, please first refer to Part 3 of the articles series (comments too!), then ask them below.

Much love to all of you <3

Jordan

August 7, 2012 at 8:38 am
Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

@jordan, Why do we have guns in the community? Seems to me like we are trying to spread the message that we don’t need that in the world.

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Brendan Barstow (182)C (@eyesopen) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

@blankey, I’m wondering the same thing. The mention of guns instantly raised a red flag in mind. Please explain the necessity for guns? It’s tough to maintain the image of a peaceful, loving community with a stocked armory on-site.

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Sean LeBlanc (76) (@bongodeburrito) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

@blankey, @eyesopen, Its better to have them and not need them than not have them and need them, in my opinion.

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Anonymous (2,654) (@) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

@bongodeburrito, True. You never know.

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Brendan Barstow (182)C (@eyesopen) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

Who controls access to the weapons then? Who’s to say this person wouldn’t be corrupted? People in an isolated community like Valhalla can quite quickly forget the overarching law of the land, and with police enforcement unlikely, I don’t think having guns is going to lend itself to a very egalitarian power structure.

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m jayne (46) (@mjayne) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

@tangledupinplaid21, I would image you would have more issues with American customs.

Ive traveled between Canada and the states quite a bit by plane, by car, and just walking over the border. Leaving the states almost always works out easier and simpler than getting into it. I dont have a record personally, but Ive been with people who have and Ive been traveling with weird stuff. As long as you are sure you can get back into the states then getting into Canada should be no big deal.

Then again, there is always a chance things could be weird so it would be better to check it out for sure instead of getting stopped after youd already planned a trip and everything. . .that would suck (or even worse not being able to get back into the states when you were headed home).

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Sean LeBlanc (76) (@bongodeburrito) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

@eyesopen, Put the weapon in a case locked with two padlocks, with two people holding one key each.

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Anonymous (5) (@) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

@blankey, @eyesopen,
The guns would probable be for hunting and protection from wild animals, depending on your location bears can be a real threat.

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Anonymous (5) (@) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

@jordan, I love this project. Correct me if I’m wrong but it seems to be based on the same values as the zeitgeist movement and the venus project, and that is just amazing in my opinion. I live in the Montreal area and would love to help, unfortunately as I’m not a senior I cannot since one of my parents has qualms with this, I’ll will do my best to try to visit though. I’ve always tried to convince people of my entourage that a sustainable future is possible and your project if successful will be the best standing example that it is in fact possible.

Keep up the hard work, may it become fruitful :)

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Jordan Lejuwaan (23,445)A (@jordan) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

@tangledupinplaid21, Apparently if you go in via bus, they barely check your passport. You’d probably be fine. If you’re serious about coming down, we can setup a Skype session this week. Let me know!

@blankey, They’re not physically on the land, I was just saying several members own them. Either way, I 100% support owning guns because the government is becoming increasingly wary of us having them. Gun rights were put in place to make sure the people could overthrow the government if necessary. Hunting is another reason. One deer feeds a group of people for a long time.

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Jordan Lejuwaan (23,445)A (@jordan) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

@theskafish,

Yeah the plan is to have community cars. We’re going to be sustainable, but not ‘land-locked’ persay.

That depends on the materials that are available for free in your area. We have clay in our ground and old tires from junkyards so it won’t cost much at all. As for building on in your city, the biggest challenge would probably be the legal side of it. It’s unconventional architecture, so your city might not like it.

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Max H (44) (@traceur) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

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Hey all, been a while since I’ve been seen posting =/
This project has given me an incredible amount of excitement. It’s literally taking all I have to not leave PSU and family and go join in immediately. Thanks for the updates, also everyone commenting has motivated me to find a way to at least visit as soon as possible. Got my passport and all, best I can do is plan a visit until I graduate from school (2 more years =/ ). It’s like nothing would make me happier than being there right now at such a critical time, I am trying to break free of my parents shackles on me…

To everyone that is making a serious commitment to this community, so much pride and a little envy of you.

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Jordan Lejuwaan (23,445)A (@jordan) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

@vadistin, Yes it has similar values to the Venus project. However I find the Venus project to be aged to say the least. It’s not ‘cool’ enough to be relavent to the youth, which I feel to be vital for success.

Thank you :) Perhaps we’ll see you sometime soon.

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Christian (40) (@christian92) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

@jordan, @vadistin, Although that project has some similar values to the Venus project, I think one big thing is different: The technology used. If I understood this project correctly, there won’t be much technology. The Venus project however tries to use technology in a very efficient way, it tries to combine technology and nature. After all, technology has the capability to free humans. Imagine autonomous factories which produce high-tech products without much help from humans. Unemployment is already rising due to automation, and if this trend continues, autonomous factories will be built very soon. Only a few technicians will be needed to monitor the processes.

And this brings me to the question I still wanted to ask, Jordan: What role will technology play in this project?
And what do you think is aged in the Venus project? (I know that is a bit off topic, but a short answer would be nice)

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Vasco (224)C (@vasco) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

I’ve been really excited about the project since I read about it in the third post, and I’m really glad it’s working out! I’ve also considered moving in with you guys a few times, but then I remembered that I’m in Europe and still have another school year ahead of me and dropped the thought.

Then it hit me. I would like to do a gap year before university, though I was never really sure what I would do during the year. Now I know: I want to spend it in the community! I’ll only be 17, so it’ll be my mum’s call whether I can go or not, but even if she doesn’t want me to go for a year, I might persuade her to let me be there for a few months between the end of high school and college. So, @jordan, my question is whether you are thinking of allowing people in the community for such short periods of time.

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Damasias (21) (@nan0fire) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

@jordan, Did you build anything yet to live in?

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

@jordan, Only thing I am worried about is what if someone joins, brings a gun, and is insane. Insane people with guns doesn’t usually go over so well.

Also, will those members be allowed to bring the guns to the land? Or are those the guys who already live in Montreal so it would be at their house?

Few years back the ATF killed every single person in an armed community (which ours may or may not be?) that was anti-government. Every person.

I am just saying all of this because I want this to work, and I don’t think it would go over so well if we are armed. We need to all be little modern Ghandis here.

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Jordan Lejuwaan (23,445)A (@jordan) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

@blankey, It’s not an armed community. Those members just have guns at their houses.

@nan0fire, No the building will not be done in time for winter. We’re living at a house 2 minutes from the land in the meantime.

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Ben (231)M (@benjamin) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

Hey peoples! So I won’t be living in this community or one such as this for several years myself, but I’m gonna contribute by writing articles for the website. Right now I know Greg said he’d do the art/adding of pictures/formatting for the first article I wrote, but I’m not sure if he wants to take that responsibility for all the articles I do. So if anyone on here likes doing that kind of creative design and wants to contribute in some way hit me up with a message. Basically I write the raw text, and I need someone to take that text and turn it into how it will look on the site. Hope everyone has an awesome day!

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

@jordan, Oh okay phew. lol

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

@jordan, Thing is though, you said you’re 100% in favor of the right to own guns because the government is becoming increasingly weary of us having them. You also mentioned that right is established if it becomes necessary for people to overthrow the government. You also mentioned hunting.
If there are no guns on the property then aren’t those points moot? If there comes a time when we need guns around it does no good to have guns at a remote location. And saying you support the right to own guns implies that you support the right to carry a gun since its an inherent quality of gun ownership (I say this because there is no point in owning a gun if its locked up at home when you need it, and because most gun owners also have concealed carry permits.)
So although this isn’t an “armed community”, there are not any rules against bringing guns onto the property. Correct?

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Jordan Lejuwaan (23,445)A (@jordan) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

@blankey, Yes that’s correct. If you’re worried about someone going crazy, know that we have some very planned out ways for judging someone’s sanity before allowing them into the community. Although if someone really wanted to come onto the land and kill us, not allowing guns wouldn’t do anything. That’s actually when having guns would help us the most.

But this is all very beside the point of this community…If we worried about every potential disaster, we wouldn’t get anywhere.

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mikeal (0) (@mikeal) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

@Jordan

Ok so what if we were interested in joining the community, but we don’t necessarily “believe or think” that we could contribute much… lol this seems like such a lame question but truth be told I am very interested in joining but Im not sure in what ways I could really contribute. I dont have any degrees or specialities in any area of real value. All I can really say is that Im a person who doesnt mind physical labor and I can think for myself in creative ways.

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Jordan Lejuwaan (23,445)A (@jordan) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

@mikeal, Beyond any special skill we are looking for people who are passionate about the project and who have already found themselves in this world, or rather have already gone through their personal development period so they can focus completely on the community instead of their own issues.

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Em (473) (@emily) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

@jordan, It’s pretty amazing what you’re doing. I’m just starting to get my feet wet in the healthcare field now… maybe someday I could contribute efforts toward that sort of development…I also have a lot of background in education. I can’t even imagine how proud your mother must be of you!! :)

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