We can see the 4th dimension?

 Nikola Atanasovski (@nikola)7 years, 6 months ago

I was watching a show on Discovery about drugs and they got to talking about different kinds of drugs and the effects that they all have on the body and one common theme amongst almost all of them was that people would begin to see tracers when they got really high.

Now my question is? When an individual gets really high, is it possible that they are transcending the 3rd dimension, and ascending to the 4th temporarily and being able to see time itself because thats essentially what a tracer is, you see the light in it’s initial position and then the final position which is also outlined by the path.

Thoughts?

April 3, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Alex (550) (@hollowinfinity) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

If you were to see time, you wouldn’t be able to make out images, since all times exist as one ‘moment’ simultaneously. We already are in the 4th dimension. We experience time. We have 3 dimensional physical bodies, but everyone knows your physical form is not all there is to yourself.
I just believe that when you get high you can see the superstructures that create your current reality. Like if the clockwork elves made up our world, we would make up a higher dimensional beings world…all the way to the highest dimension (God)

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Nikola Atanasovski (12) (@nikola) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

I know that we are in the 4th dimension, but we cannot perceive it, like we feel it and know that time is acting upon is. I think basically I’m trying to point out is the idea that i got from one of your posts actually where you posted a picture about the 4th dimension, and you said you would be able to see your old self and your baby self with you somewhere along the path. I’m just alluding to that as a tracer being a very small replication of that effect.

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Alex (550) (@hollowinfinity) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

I can ‘see’ that. :P
Like, if time were an escalator, doing drugs would let you see the actual escalator. You immediately feel as though you understand why you move the way you do rather than just moving forward or ascending without any knowledge as to how. This I agree with. Literally seeing the dimension itself though, is something I cannot comprehend..because to me, sight seems like a 3rd dimensional property.

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Nikola Atanasovski (12) (@nikola) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

Yeah, thats what I meant by the analogy, that escalator thing is brilliant. I didn’t mean literally time itself because that is beyond comprehension, because you would have to take into account possible future paths, whereas your past would just be a line based on the decisions you have made and the path you have taken. I just meant simply seeing yourself acting within that 4th dimension, like seeing it’s effects on the 3rd dimension.

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Alex (550) (@hollowinfinity) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

It does make sense. We thrive from fragmentation. We like looking at the pieces of the puzzle, rather than the whole picture. The whole picture is only satisfying if we put all the pieces together ourselves. So perhaps in doing drugs you raise yourself to that 4th dimension, where you can look at your life as the completed puzzle, rather than the individual moments that make up our experience.

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Ka (308) (@kaciula) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

Regarding this, I’d just like to add that I recently had an experience walking down the street and being very aware where I saw and felt in an instance what was going to happen in the next 10 seconds in the future. It’s hard to explain the experience, but it’s like I suddenly knew, out of the blue, the exact steps I was going to make, how I would intersect with another guy on the street and how I would take a deep breath and the smoke of his cigarette would fill my nostrils and affect me. And then, when all these things that I suddenly “knew” happened, i was dumbfounded. I stopped in the street and I couldn’t believe it, my feet were shaking :). And I was under no influence, if that makes a difference. Maybe that’s how you can “see” parts of the 4th dimension. I’d like to be able to replicate this but I have no clue how.

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Alex (550) (@hollowinfinity) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

@kaciula, You just explained how I felt the first time I got high from marijuana. I think drugs let us put our foot in the door, but achieving such things sober is where its at. :)

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Alex (141)M (@alexishungry) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

No, you’re still in three dimensions. You’re just high AF so your brain processes your sight slower and blends your vision like that. You don’t experience time differently, your brain just works slower.

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Alex (550) (@hollowinfinity) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

@alexishungry, But drugs DO lower brain activity, especially psychedelics. Mediation is the art of non-thought. Basically lowering brain activity. Makes death, which is the absolute form of mind silence, seem really pleasant IMO, and more expansive. Our brains uses so much energy just keeping us in this reality..but I can see through my hands, what does that mean?

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Ka (308) (@kaciula) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

@alexishungry, ” You don’t experience time differently, your brain just works slower.”

It depends on how you view time. Is it something outside of you which can be experienced by you, or is it an effect of how the brain works, or is it something else? Your explanation makes no sense to me. I am not a naive realist and I choose not to worship the brain as the source of my experience.

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Alex (550) (@hollowinfinity) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

If our language didn’t have past and future tense, we would think about the present in multiple ways instead. Time may still exist, and it obviously still works in the same way, but our perception is different.

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Ka (308) (@kaciula) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, Language is very important. Off-topic but interesting: Some tribes don’t have names for all colors that we have. Like let’s say they have the same name for the color of the sky (blue) and for the color of the mountain (brown). They did tests where they showed them 16 colored circles, 15 of which were blue and 1 was brown and were asked to pick the one which was different. And they had a very tough time to distinguish it. And after that they showed them 16 colored circles, 15 of which were blue and 1 was also blue but slightly different on the hex scale. For us westerners it is very hard to distinguish that circle from the others while the tribesmen instantly spotted it because they had 2 different names for the 2 blue colors.

So yes, language shapes our reality in a powerful way.

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Alex (550) (@hollowinfinity) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

@kaciula, That is horribly fascinating. This is why language is one of my favorite topics [as long is it goes the right way, haha ;) ]It really makes me wonder if all languages are equal because they exist at the same time, or if other languages have the edge or I guess are better than one another because of how they operate. If its the latter, than it just also seems like another reason for people to continue being biased and spreading hate, even if it is the beautiful truth, ya know?

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David (325) (@zeitro) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

i once had an experience with acid, i actually posted it around here somewhere… but it was undoubtedly one of the most intense drug trips i’ve ever ever had, as if i had gone to a different dimension where (stuff happened) but the important thing here is when i came back to “me”, at first i was confused and with a bit of amnesia, i felt like the sandman in spiderman when he just came out of that machine that gave him his powers, (falling apart into sand as i tried to get up) then i kept walking and i noticed before each step i took, that my leg was actually fragmented into many different “possibilities”, and then when my foot touched the ground, all those leg possibilities merged or superimposed into one. this happened with each step i took, and walking became more natural, i didn’t worry about falling (i was reeeally fucked up at the time…) i just walked naturally and the legs just landed wherever they were supposed to.

i’ve also experienced these “tracers” before, it’s like the tracers are the pre-moment and the future is one of many possibilities, in my mind it’s like a zipper, a higher dimensional zipper than joins a line (timeline) into one as it zips up

@hollowinfinity, sight is a 3rd dimensional property, but it’s our ability to remember or have a memory that makes us perceive the 4th dimension in our own way, this reminds me of the supposed true meaning behind salvador dali’s “the persistence of memory”: the melting soft watches are time dripping away between your fingers, but the memory persists. :o

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Alex (550) (@hollowinfinity) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

@zeitro, Ah, I love me some Dali. Please do look into some Joseph Campbell if interesting. He gets pretty into Dali. The painting of the girl sleeping, with a pomegranate, with a carp coming out of it, and a tiger coming out the carps mouth, and a more violent tiger coming out of that’s mouth, and a gun coming out of that tigers mouth. Just, so beautiful. That painting is a perfect representation of dreaming.

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Martijn Schirp (112,773)A (@martijn) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, There is no absolute scale to measure the better-ness of a language. But you can definitely say that some language is better for one goal than the other. Words are actually value judgements. In the whole stream of experience, we seperate phenomenon and label them. As you learn a new word without meaning, you either have to fill them in with reality or you have to use all the different words, already filled in with reality, as a reference (to know what it means in context of what you already know).

So for instance, if you learned about the different color because you have a different word for it, every time you use the word you learn how to seperate on phenomenon, blue, from abother blue. If you don’t have the word, you gradually lose the distinction.

One interesting point of our current day and age is that the word freedom has been hijacked to mean ‘freedom of choice’. Which is a slave-mentality type of freedom. It’s like being chained to a wall, but you can choose three different types of drinks, and you say you are free. (all neo-fascist political parties in europe say they are the party of freedom, nothing could be more dangerous and far from the truth).

This is not what is meant by freedom, at all. You are not free to insult others, but you should be free not to be insulted. It;s not external freedom, it’s internal freedom. *end rant

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Filip (2,819)M (@filipek) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

@nikola, for a better understanding of dimensions I strongly recommend you to watch the following video in which the author explains about 10 dimensions. Very interesting and very understandable (takes about approximately 10 minuts)

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