Weed/Drugs bad affect on spiritual side

Cosmic Fool (@J-CosmicFool-T) 7 years, 7 months ago

Hi High Existence peeps,
So this summer I’ve smoked weed everyday done MD a couple of times and taken shrooms. Before this summer I believed drugs would heighten my spiritual side, increase my love for life and develop me as a person. However, over the course of the summer when I’m not smoking weed I feel empty and a dope. Before smoking I would write lots of poems and read lots but now my passions have drained from me and |’m starting to feel like I can’t be bothered with anything. I also used to be very outgoing now I find it hard to keep up conversations with people I’m not good friends with and my stupid fun side only comes out when I’m high now. Also I used to go through a hell of a lot of lucid dreams when I first started smoking and have some great ideas about life. If anything being stoned so much has toned down that spiritual side a hell of a lot. Also after taking MD a couple of times I feel like I can only be loving when I’m on the drug and alcohol just isn’t that great. Then the mushrooms have just made me more of an anxious, paranoid kind of a guy (Although they were pretty insane -saw how the Universe was split into multiple dimensions and how you can transcend our own reality, the 3D experience, through the power of the mind). Aside from that experience I’m not sure drugs are for me, if anything they have taken away from the beauty of life and I feel like I’ve lost a lot of my personality by giving so much when on drugs and made me quite anxious and lose my confidence. So do you think drugs really do expand on your spiritual side and develop you as a person or do you think they take away from the beauty and wonder of normal sober life?

October 4, 2014 at 12:00 pm
Cody (472) (@versai) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

The biggest trap of drug use for spiritual, personal or intellectual purposes is assuming they’ll just do it for you. I’ve made the same mistake and understand where you’re coming from, but I don’t think the drugs are explicitly to blame. I feel like they are often used as a crutch, we don’t take them respectfully or in serious, ceremonial settings. I tried weed for the first time when I was 18 and have since explored a bunch of psychedelics. It was during a very important stage of development in my life and looking back I can’t even imagine what I’d be like today without them. They’ve influenced me in positive ways as expected, but it takes a lot of self motivation to fulfill the potential they prophesize. I think it also distracted me from other equally important avenues of development, like my nutrition/fitness, education, relationships. One thing I’ve learned spiritually is these are all branches of the same goal that need to be cared for.

Smoking every day is honestly too much–even though I have been for a couple years now. I’ve actually been encouraged by different spirits during several trips with mescaline, ayahuasca and mushrooms to give up the habit. But cannabis is very powerful and useful, it’s just depreciated with compulsive use. Tolerance is probably a message from the plant’s spirit itself that you’re overindulging.

I once had to take a break from weed for 3 weeks and then my next high was on AAA cali bud during ayahuasca. WOW!!! I’m sure on its own that the high would have been great, in fact I believe one high per month can be as enriching as all 30 days of a chronic high combined. But on top of the ayahuasca, it synergized on a whole ‘nother level. Imagine the deep, unbroken channels of thought that you get from those first few weed highs combined with the living visions of ayahuasca. Gahh I can’t even describe what it was like, and my metaphors sound cheesy in wake of how deeply spiritual it was.

I think cannabis should be treated like any serious psychedelic and taken biweekly at most, in large doses. It’s been awhile since I’ve been sober that long myself, but I remember sobriety feeling like a trip after that long of chronic use so I’m looking forward to it. There is some psychological withdrawal after stopping a habit like that, but if you want to keep your relationship with these awesome plants, best take them respectfully and responsibly.

Integration is also probably the most important step of a drug experience besides the setting. Learning from the experience and growing is important. Could write a poem about your trip to have something to remember it by. I often at least write down important ideas that come to mind during mine to reflect on later. But it doesn’t have to be poetry or memories or entertainment or anything that fulfills you. You are 100% perfect and capable as you are, just let the flow of energy and excitement lead you.

tldr; moderate all consumption and habits, maintain spiritual course

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Martijn Schirp (112,780)A (@martijn) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

You just summarised everything I wanted to say.

To OP: Take a break to get yourself to baseline. Make the best baseline you can have, meditate every day, do tons of yoga/hiking/walking. Don’t do any drugs or ‘give in to feel good’ behaviour for a month. Set yourself 3 important goals that month and go for it.

The fundamental problem to using too much drugs at once is that you’re getting too many insights. And since you don’t have the time to integrate them you can’t embody them, therefore they are fleeting. Sometimes you get opposed viewpoints, and you end up with confusion.

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Cosmic Fool (11) (@J-CosmicFool-T) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Thanks guys for the replies. TBH I think I’ve abused cannabis in the way that I smoke too much of it and have been merely using it for social reasons over the past few months. I’ve just recently moved to London so I now have a really good opportunity to take that advice on board and stop smoking for a month. I’m already looking forward to that joint even if its just half as good as your one sounded after three weeks Cody. And I understand what you mean Martijn about too many drugs at once. I think I was moving at too fast a pace to understand my spiritual and personal progression. This is probably why I’ve been feeling empty recently as I’ve yet to understand who this new self is after all these experiences.

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

well, you lost social innocence. its not physical – it is philosophy.

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Cosmic Fool (11) (@J-CosmicFool-T) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Would you say the loss of confidence and anxiety could be attributed to this loss of social innocence. I miss the days of just living completely in the moment and not bothering or being able to control it.

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

here is the big picture, and a little bit of rational thinking – let me put them on your shoulder’s. now,… walk this tightrope between nothing and nowhere – go.

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existentia (89) (@existentia) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Yeah, I totally agree with Cody. The substance can only unfold it’s promised positive potential when used occasionally, with intent and followed by sober integration.
I once read a nice analogy online: Weed is like an eraser. Unbelievable helpful to edit your story. But senseless if you’re erasing all the time before new stuff gets written down.
Of course, I’ve been also been overusing for a long time. Luckily, even if it hinders your personal growth and momentary happiness, it’s not something that does unrevokable damage to you (as far as I know). Pretty sure psychedelics could be nastier when they don’t get the respect they deserve.

What I always do to do some “reset” is to set up a 30 day challenge for myself. In this time will I abstain from all drugs and masturbation (look up nofap, pretty good way to learn willpower and reset your dopamine receptors). And I’ll meditate every single day, which should be routine anyways.

After those 30 days of having to find other fulfilling activities than just smoking/chilling I’ll feel like a new born person. Full of energy, positive spirit and confidence.

Then, when it comes to using drugs again (they’re just to good to ignore in my opinion :p) I don’t want to fall back into old habits.

Some tipps that helped me become a more conscious drug user:

+ Again, meditating daily. It’s so important to become aware of everyday lifes beauty and learning to reach a hightened state in your regular mindstate. Also very important to sense cravings in time. If you accomplish that, you’re drug intake will mostly regulate itself.

+ If you’re a non smoker and mix weed with tobacco stop it as soon as possible. I’ve been there, smoking joints like cigarettes for most parts of the day. Marijuana itself is not very hard to keep in moderation if you have a fulfilled life.

+ Mostly doing drugs alone and as a ritual.
It’s just to easy to always talk yourself into it being okay to constantly take drugs when everybody else does. Interestingly I think being a vegetarian really helped me with this, as it was already familar to me to abstain from something everybody else does for personal reasons. But to be honest, I’m not totally straight with this myself. As Kendrick Llamar puts it in “The Art of Peer Pressure”: Ay ay ay. Usually I’m a sober soul. But im with the homies right noooww.” And it can be a quite beautiful feeling to be irresponsible together for sure. Just know your limits. But as my homies study all across the nation nowadays that problem mostly solved itself. My personal rituals are “Microdose Saturday” and “High Sunday”, where I relax from romping around with the extra energy on saturday and contemplate the week/brainstorm new ideas.

+ Microdosing
Instead of going into full blown trip all the time begin to appreciate the subtle changes a microdose (10ug LSD f.e.) can give you. Martin wrote a great article about microdosing here on HE if you’re curious. For me it’s that I’m always looking forward to the intake on Saturday and it’s not hindering me at all. Honestly, Microdose Saturday is my most productive day of the week.
Also smoking just little amounts of weed is often much more rewarding than being stoned like an arabic prostitute. And when you decide to intake a LOT, which can also be a great experience on OCCASION, you’re tolerance will be much lower, assuring you really get to the level you want to reach.

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Cosmic Fool (11) (@J-CosmicFool-T) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Cheers for the advice man. I like the idea of this 30 day detox challenge- already a week into giving up smoking and the no porn or masturbation challenge. And yeah, peer pressure is the worst. As a Vegetarian myself I know where your coming from. Luckily and sadly I’ve just moved away from my hometown so yet to meet any new friends peer-pressuring me into smoking some herb. And I agree about doing drugs on your own, especially psychedelics which real greatness comes from being an introspective experience rather than a social one to do with your mates. And yeah I must read more into Microdosing, I’ve heard about it and it sounds very interesting.

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existentia (89) (@existentia) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

You sound like an engaged, self-critical person. You’ll learn all the lessons you have to learn. Just stay positive. Have a nice day :)

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Anonymous (328) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

It’s called a Nocebo. You did it to yourself. It’s either you have a mature enough mind to take it in or you’re just a cosmic fool.

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logan menzies (1) (@disimulado) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

you’re allowing yourself to believe you need this substance to do these things instead of using it as a tool for say furthering you spiritually, you have to subconsciously recognise that it is only a tool and then be aware of situations that it is usable. but when you use a tool that is not needed any more for a situation or experience it then becomes a burden and will do the opposite of aiding you. The idea of embracing love in your life for every experience like the law of attraction will make your sober life more interesting and fruitful something that iv recently learned is that have experienced say smoking weed or alcohol enough that i can nearly mimic the feeling. so i think to solve your social life stuff is simply do some research on yourself haha like observe the way your mind reacts to certain situations and start to understand why it does what it does and why that directly affects you in your day to day

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Hickspanic (0) (@hickspanic) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

it’s a tool bro, don’t go in it saying that you NEED it, go in saying that it’ll enhance your senses. but like my dad says, some people aren’t cut out for drugs 

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