What do you think about the present crisis of ISIS?

Alex (@alexsabus) 7 years, 8 months ago

Its really saddening to see the spread of this group. Also the fact that most of its members are from western countries is disappointing.

What are your views on this?

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

sell em guns n let em fight – ding ding ding geeett reaadddyyy ttooo rummmbblle – (USA) chillin at the top, getting paid. human life means Nothing to the machine.

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Anonymous (12) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

if you all wouldn’t consume so much we wouldnt have to do all of this war.

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

i think youre looking at this a little bit wrong. you are right about consuming but it has moreso to do with the united states/israel remaining an economic power house at any and all costs.

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

if you convince a family with billions in gold reserves or real estate then in this sense a militia can be made at any time to fulfill any evil bidding. countries are not rich – people are rich.

both good and bad have billions.

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Alex (63) (@alexsabus) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Which family do you mean by that? Saud?

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

doesnt matter

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Tine (366) (@tine) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

will you explain what you mean more fully ?

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

technology now evolves (with) us. what pushes the limits? fate.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

I think that its unfortunate that we still live in a world today where we must create organized resistance to extremists who behead everyone who doesn’t think exactly like they do. You would have thought we outgrew this sort of thing as a species with the extermination of the Nazis.

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Cody (472) (@versai) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

That’s probably what they said thousands of years ago, too. Idk why the world is the way it is, but from what I understand it’s been this way for a loong time. The people fighting in the middle east have been fighting pretty much forever, or have been waiting to. As long as it’s one group against another, I don’t think the fighting will ever end. The change will have to come personally, for everyone on every side to give up the fight and share our losses and success.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Unfortunately, you can’t just stand by and do nothing in these situations. Left to itself, in time ISIS would conquer Syria, then Jordan and probably most of Iraq as well (except maybe Baghdad itself which would probably end up being a besieged city-state). They’d get stronger, eventually get weapons of mass destruction, threaten other Arab states like Saudi Arabia, the gulf states, Turkey… Before long they’d be launching massive terrorist attacks in Europe, the US and elsewhere and we’d have a new extremist, Middle East empire that mercilessly slaughtered all who didn’t bow to its extreme ideology…

There is no reasoning with these types of people. No reasoning with North Korea either, or the Tea Party in the US as an example of another extremist group, that given the right circumstances, wouldn’t be much different…

Peace is a wonderful ideal, but with groups like this in the world, if you come to them in peace they offer you only one kind, the peace of the dead.

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

^This mentality is exactly why these conflicts exist in the first place.

Once we defeat this group, a worse group will just take its place. This group exists because of America/The West trying to defeat terrorism and Al Qaeda. More of the same shit is going to cause more of the same shit, on a worse level.

You CANNOT win by fighting and defeating the enemy in the traditional sense. You just amplify the problem. ALL of our solutions to these problems make the problem worse.

You can’t win by fighting anything, really. War on cancer, war on drugs, war on poverty, war on illiteracy.. on a personal level: war against obesity, war against gluttony, war against selfishness. Once you resist the problem it just amplifies it.

This is pretty fucking obvious, man. Like maybe even 50 years ago it wasn’t that obvious. It seemed like we could defeat evil, conquer the enemies, reign in human desire. By now though you should get the fucking hint: this shit does not work. Time to try something else.

It’s all temporary symptom relief. Just pushing the real issues deeper under the surface. Nothing really gets accomplished, except to strengthen the underlying causes of the problem whose symptoms you’re covering up.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

You can win by destroying the enemy. We did it with the Nazis. We did it with slavery in the Civil War. Of course there will always be new groups that sprout up, hatreds will carry over generation to generation. But the Irish proved that this is stoppable if there is a strong enough will to do so.

Besides, the idea is that the foundation of success here is a comprehensively inclusive government in Iraq that brings the Sunni’s into the political process. Which is not happening yet, maybe not ever, but its the ultimate end to the conflict.

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Nope. We didn’t do it with the Nazis. We didn’t do it with slavery. We just superficially eradicated that specific group, while those same conditions that caused the problems in the first place go unresolved and get pushed farther and farther under the surface. We didn’t end ideology and identification with insane collective beliefs when we “defeated” the nazis did we? The people who opposed the nazis most strongly are now becoming fascists themselves (Israel). And on a global level, fascism, surveillance, and police states are rising up everywhere. It’s just slower moving than what happened in nazi Germany, so people don’t really see it.

Just like when we eradicated polio, did we end disease? Nope. New diseases sprung up. Now we have diseases that can’t be “cured” like auto-immunity.

It’s silly to think that you can win by using force and control to conquer the enemy. It just creates worse enemies. Broaden your view. Stop microscoping everything. If you look at individual events, sure it looks like you won. But if you look at trends in general, it’s the opposite.

These “defeats” of the enemy only look that way on the surface. Most of the time, you just end up becoming that enemy yourself. When you fight it, you become it. It only looks like a win from a very narrow, microscopic viewpoint. When you broaden your perspective and look at these all these issues as connected, it does not look that way at all.

The more you fight terrorism, the more animosity you create, and the more you strengthen your own radical ideology.

It’s the same mindset on an individual level that tries to use force and will power to repress urges. It works for a while, but eventually those repressed urges express themselves in worse ways.

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Alex (63) (@alexsabus) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Its a very interesting perspective. The problem is that the whole world has to accept this point of view. That seems impossible for a few hundred years at least. Even if many are able to accept such a mindset, the human mind is so fragile, that a shock can easily turn it in the opposite direction. Even in the past there were many eras of enlightenment, many following the direction of peace. These numbers keep reducing and increasing each time period. It seems to be more than a physical reality to cause such disturbances. A solution cannot be as simple as waiting. Humans are suffering, that could be us, if we were born there. There should be some action taken to stop such a suffering and the spread of it. If one action is opposed, something else should be suggested, something doable.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Your idea of not fighting these evils, assuming they will just go away, will result in a world ruled by the likes of Kim Jung Il and Islamic extremists who will rejoice in your passive approach as they enslave you and rape the women in your family, and kill any who speak up.

North Korea has some of the safest cities in the world, where there is virtually no crime. Why is this? Its because if you commit a crime in North Korea, they don’t just take you away to prison, they also take your children, your parents and your grandparents along with you. I am not exaggerating this. There are hundreds of thousands of people in concentration camps in North Korea.

This is the future this planet would endure if we lacked the courage as civilized people to stand up against acts of barbarism.

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Alex (63) (@alexsabus) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Absolutely, remaining idle and not speaking up against such barbarians will on be like letting the fire burn and burn will everything is ashes.

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Anonymous (12) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Ray, they may appear to be different new groups but the motive, the creator, the Oz behind the curtain is and has always been the same. These pukes learned long ago that you get into a scuffle, you fuel and fund both sides and then war as long as you possibly can. Why? MONEY! Its time to wake up and realize you all have been being worked for 1000’s of years….. WTFU

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

When firefighters set break fires to stop the spread of a forest fire, they also look like pyromaniacs who are just in love with seeing things burn… You cannot judge people who are fighting against brutality with the same lens as those causing the brutality.

People have a naive concept of peace. Christ himself, who a billion Christians around the world consider the “Prince of Peace” plainly said to his followers “Do not think that I came to bring peace, but a sword.”

Peace and stability enjoyed in the west today has come to us at the sacrifice of millions who died fighting Fascism in the Nazis and totalitarian regimes of Italy and Japan and Germany at the time. Yet these nations are now also democratic, and allies.

The world is a complex place, and its a disservice to those fighting against oppression and cruelty to paint them in the same light as these monsters. This is a childish view that one should grow out of when one becomes an adult and realizes that justice and peace always comes at a price.

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Alex (63) (@alexsabus) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Well Said!

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Thank you Alex! =)

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Alex (63) (@alexsabus) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

The problem was we didn’t completely wipe out the problem, only a part of it. A major part remained and it grew more and more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMe0rgxqlOQ , Watch this video to see how it connects.

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Extermination of Nazis? Where do you think the top scientists went? A better phrase would be “transformation of the Nazis.” Where do you think all the mobsters went too? The answer to both questions is….U.S. Government. Then we have the problem reaction solution that everyones favorite conspiracy theorist, David Icke, first coined the term. Introduce a problem, wait for the public reaction for help. Introduce solution. Profit $$$$$$. Think about the mindset these “terror groups” try to put us in? “What?! they want to kill us for our beliefs and values?! Lets kill the shit out of them for THEIR beliefs and values FIRST.”

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Its true that the west made use of Nazi scientists after WWII. So did the Soviet Union (and then herded them together, took them into the countryside, and shot them all). I’m not saying the west is lilly white clean of duplicity or evil. The US is the largest arms maker and exporter in the world…

But what I am saying is that this is real life. There is ambiguity and a moral gray area to all efforts to enforce peace.

Yet there is still an overall trend of humanitarian forces fighting against repressive ones, even though both sides are guilty of dirty little secrets they’d like to hide from the public… I was in the US Navy, and I can tell you firsthand that there are some real extremist a*holes there and at the same time there are good commanders who respect diversity and the rights of self-determination. You see the same thing in police forces even in western nations.

We have to accept this. People are flawed. But there are trends – major trends that promote freedom and peace and tolerance, vs. trends that promote oppression and cruelty. And if you refuse to face this in a mature manner, as someone who has benefited from the sacrifice of others, then you are promoting the other side’s agenda…

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Alex (63) (@alexsabus) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

There is a connection, the Nazis were never really exterminated. Only a small part that was present in Germany.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMe0rgxqlOQ ,
This short video explains it nicely.

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Collective insanity. Only an amplified version of most other group mentalities/ideologies. Different only by degree, not kind, than say American culture.

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Alex (63) (@alexsabus) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Well then, 90% of the world would be insane, in that perspective.

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Uh huh. More than that

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besser (11) (@besser) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

I support sending troops to the Gaza strip. There’s gold there and a winnable battle win win.

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Alex (63) (@alexsabus) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Winnable battle, but a global outcry would also be there. Retaliation of all Muslim nations will also be there. Russia and China would surely back a fight against the US.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Back during the Six Day War that Israel had with Egypt, Syria and Jordan, Russia actually was supporting Egypt in that they warned Israel if they crossed the Sinai into Egypt proper, Russia would use nuclear weapons against Israel… This is one of the reasons that US stayed out of the conflict, at least openly.

Power blocs change over time but there is always the danger of regional conflicts becoming nuclear. Many think tanks see the Pakistan/India conflict as one of the most likely areas where a regional nuclear war could become a global one. But if you ask, which country is the US a more dedicated ally of, Pakistan or India, you get a very convoluted answer…

Nevertheless, if we just sat back and did nothing when these crisis arise, I believe things would be much worse. Probably by the end of this year, if we had done nothing to counter ISIS, I could have seen them taking control of Baghdad. What then when you have a pan-extremist state that controls virtually all of Iraq, is on the way to controlling Syria…?

I agree with you Alex that most of these battles carried to extreme ends are not winnable. We can never stop forest fires from happening either, but we can limit the damage they do…

I’m reminded of the old movie “Wargames” with Matthew Broderick where at the end the sentient computer system began running endless nuclear exchange scenarios between east and western power blocs and rapidly came to a unexpected conclusion: “A strange game professor. The only winning move is not to play.”

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Anonymous (328) (@) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Remember those faked chemical attacks blamed on Syria? That propaganda skit failed. Fast forward… Ukraine happens. Sounds familiar. Syria is Russia’s economic ally. Whoa wait… back track… al-qaeda was armed to fight Russian imperialism in afghanistan. Oh no. It’s like nothing changed. ISIS is the new Al-qaeda.

Arguably, this is just a continuation of cold war geopolitics. But it’s more than oil. All the neighboring countries of Lybia, Egypt, Afghanistan can be compared to what is going on in Ukraine and ultimately all the shenanigans post-9II.

Keep in mind with today’s tech. Faking videos, pictures and even whole events is easy. There’s no truth anymore, Think for yourself.

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Alex (63) (@alexsabus) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

That would be going overboard. Conspiracy of conspiracies. Even if deceptions are present we have a spiritual state that can see more than our physical realities.

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Anonymous (328) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

What does spirituality have to do with the topic?

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ThinAir (0) (@thinair) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Technically out had everything to do with this topic. The whole reason they’re fighting is because they feel that they l their God’s been threatened by our civilization. It’s still spirituality just their form.

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Anonymous (328) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

That was taught to them, but it doesn’t mean that is the cause. Religion is a war tool, it doesn’t mean that is the underlying reason. Shallow people will think that it is. You need to do some digging rather than just taking in this overplayed fox news narrative. “Threatened by our civilization.” Nazi much?

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Alex (63) (@alexsabus) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

If you look at it from a macro level rather than a micro level, you’l see.

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Anonymous (328) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Yeah I know what you mean. I’m a spiritual kind of person. I did learn that spiritual thinking in politics castrates you. Why? Because the things that happen are far beyond our “feel good vibes”. The people who do it and who profit by it do not give a shit about your good vibes. People will still die everyday. All the while you are eating up the propaganda that we are the “enlightened” culture that should “spread the love”.

That’s what they want you to think. Don’t you get it? People react irrationally when you flash gore and violence in their face. Well you know what? That happens everyday. Without ISIS or not. The difference is we have an agenda that’s why it’s making the news.

Yeah. Search for my old posts, I said that exact same thing you said. Which I still believe, but it gets nowhere.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Michio Kaku, the theoretical physicist, had a good commentary on the “enlightened culture” idea where he detailed how the current world situation is a struggle between insular, extremist, intolerant religious movements, and western ideals of openness and tolerance and freedom.

There’s the assumption that the west will win out eventually, that a technologically advanced society is a better one. But there’s no guarantee of this.

A valid argument against it is that the western nations that promote openness and advancement are also the very ones that invented all the weapons of mass destruction in the first place.

Still, that doesn’t negate Islamic nations from wanting them and planning to use them. Saudi Arabia has stated openly that if Iran ever goes nuclear, they will have their own nuclear arsenal the very next day, acquired from Pakistan.

Most people (unless you really believe everything Fox says) in the US are not “eating up the propaganda” that western motives are entirely pure. Most people see beyond this.

The US culture is founded on the very principle of doubting the good intentions of government…

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Anonymous (328) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Agree. This goes deep into modern spiritualism connected to ESALEN, distorted eastern religions, Elitism, Fascism and stuff.

I think the west will succeed. The majority has no perspective on this since it’s all done secretively. Since no one cares, no one knows the viewpoints, the consequences and the picture of the world at large. This should be staple. It’s not. Pointless shit on pixel boxes is the dominant view. How would one know, really?

The TPP is a perfect example of a branch of this “enlightened culture”. Or GMOs.
“Get with the times. If you hate technology you’re barbaric. Here’s a shiny present under the condition that we will patent and control all your resources.”

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

If you believe the chemical weapons attacks in Syria were faked (and they are still occurring with chlorine gas) then you are living in Candy Land sir.

All the physical evidence, medical, biological, satellite launch data, is very clear.

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Anonymous (328) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Well duh. It did happen, people died. What I mean is that those were probably false flags to blame Syria. It was funny how fast it got buried in new “hoopla” after a bunch of sources proved that it wasn’t Assad who was responsible. It was CNN versus all the other international sources, full damage control. Too bad it doesn’t matter. They get what they want.

All countries that go to war has used and still use chemical weapons at some time or another. It doesn’t get reported. But hey… They wanted syria then, and they are fucking syria right now. So does this conversation even matter?

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

The UN did an investigation, not the US or western allies. And there is documented evidence that the attack was launched by missiles (and other means) under Syrian control, from Syrian army bases. We have the launch sites, the times, the trajectories, the impact points… And these sophisticated ballistic missile systems don’t exist in the hands of the rebels, any of the rebel groups. They are heavy, land based systems.

The only “out” that Assad has on these attacks is that its probable one of his senior military commanders authorized the striikes, or the Iranians did, without his direct authorization. Still he is guilty. He is supposed to be in charge. And the Syrian government is still using other chemical weapons it has – chlorine gas…

I’m not saying they are the only ones. The US still has a chemical weapons stockpile that it is slowly in the process of destroying… Here’s an article about it from last year. Why is it taking so long? Most likely because we have TONS of the stuff in storage:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/11/us/u-s-chemical-weapons/

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Anonymous (328) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Of course. Because that is the end plan, to fight syria. Just like the other surrounding countries in the past. It’s not about debating who is more inhuman here. It’s just pure business to them. Meanwhile the masses are all stuck up on “righteousness” and “peace”.

Let’s say you are a country from the middle east. For decades now you been bombarded by the two leading imperialists in the world. Given the history of both, they are known to fuck over those lesser than them. What would you do? Would you scrounge up the little scraps of weapons to defend yourself?

Alright… Let’s play the dramatic game. Those who are up and fighting now used to be normal civilians like you and me. Who knows what their reasons are? Lost children, villages destroyed, livelihood is ruined and the country at large is given a bad name.

In other words. If you debate whether or not assad deserves it or whatever, it’s besides the point. It’s bound to happen no matter what spin of propaganda seems to be the popular view. Also:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-made-in-usa-iraq-geopolitical-arsonists-seek-to-burn-region/5387475

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Most countries have plans against their neighbors in some respect. Turkey would like to see Assad gone or in the bombing runs before it gets involved against ISIS…

During the Cold War, we had a secret agreement with China that if Russia ever launched a first strike on the US, then China would hit Russia on their border (and the Russians and Chinese fought seven skirmishes along the Sino-Soviet border in the 20th century). There are all sorts of secret agreements like this in place.

That’s the byproduct of nationalism and nation-state alliances. I used to write academic papers for British concerns (the British are very tied up in history, modernity, unlike the US)… And though nationalism has all these problems, we have to consider the monster it replaced, empires of oppression that existed right up to the first world war when the Ottoman empire finally collapsed.

Nationalism has its faults, but imperialism was worse, and what may come after nationalism may be far worse as well (global power blocs like George Orwell predicted in “1984”)

All the regional wars that are fought to contain the spread of irrational thinking may prove to be the ugly middle ground the world must exist under between the two extreme alternatives of empire and vying global alliances…

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Anonymous (328) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Nice. The reoccuring duality as the mindset. To say that “this is better than that” or “be grateful it’s not as worse” is kind of archaic if you ask me. It’s a good tactic. It makes people settle and not look further.

It’s funny because Brave New World and 1984 are seen as predictive. They’re pushed in highschools. If we think those to be the ultimate zeitgeist then we probably should search for more variety.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

“1984” is more than a predictive novel. Its actually happening. The novel describes several regional power blocs in a perpetual war with each other such as “Oceania” and “Eurasia…” We see these power blocs forming today. Beyond NATO, there are power blocs in the Middle East, in Africa, in Asia, Europe…all aligned along common economic and military goals.

Its pretty much a given that this trend will continue for the near future. In fact, even the military structures of nations is integrating. The US and England for instance are slowly networking their navies together so that in crisis, a ship from either navy, depening on its capabilites, can be called on to respond to an attack…

This is an advanced system of command and control that, along with state security, can lead to the very type of totalitarianism that Orwell feared.

So I don’t say these things as if they are all hypothetical. We might decry dualism or the current state of the world, but it is what it is and changing it will not happen unless the entire system comes crashing down.

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Anonymous (328) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

I know. My point is that it’s been that way for a while now, not the future. BNW applies to the privileged first world that enables the war economy. 1984 applies to the exploited 3rd world.

To keep on thinking that “it will happen someday” is the main hindrance. Because it has been for decades now. Sure I agree that this would turn ugly and serve an end to itself, but we have to look further and not just stop there. I’m sure there’s more to what the front page shows. In this case. These books are the front page.

It is also possible that these books aren’t really predictive at all. These books were an accurate picture of their time. To the masses they seem predictive decades later because the whole generation didn’t even notice what was happening. Which fulfills what those books are portraying, by the way… woooooo… Now we’re getting spooky.

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

The real question that I have is, why isn’t anyone talking about the old as fuck pyramid discovered in UKRAINE? I wonder why they are fighting over Ukraine hmmmm?

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sian (109) (@siantastic) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Wait…what? Brand new information, brb.

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Alex (63) (@alexsabus) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Fake

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Is it really?

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ceruleanswim (59) (@ceruleanswim) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

It’s hard to know, certainly just watching the news seems to provide almost no real information, just soundbites/emotion/fear. I try to read articles that provide more depth, but don’t really know what to think. I find the actions of ISIS abhorrent. But I’m highly skeptical of U.S. bombing strikes and military actions. These military campaigns seem to be the root rather than remedy of the problem. (The U.S. destabilized Iraq setting the stage for such radical groups in the first place. And prior to that, they installed Hussein, and armed Bin Laden… just talking big general picture here, seems like these military interventions aren’t making things better.)

I just have yet to hear a basic, rational argument explaining how bombing or military action will lessen terrorism/ improve peace. It just seems like a contradiction. I know that’s really general, but still I think it’s essential and inadequately addressed by those in power. Still love the phrase, “Bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity.” (

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Anonymous (12) (@) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

I don’t understand how anyone can think they are qualified to speak on behalf of world affairs. I don’t mean that towards you but in general bc of the lack of real information you mentioned. If you didn’t experience it, you don’t understand it and making decisions for massive amounts of people based on this silly game is not even understandable. People argue for sense and logic but there is none of that when prejudice is involved and there always is when there are groups of people.

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ceruleanswim (59) (@ceruleanswim) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

I agree. Still, world leaders should be held to a higher standard. Specifically, When the U.S. military gets involved in bombing campaigns, then the leaders making those decisions ought to give some rational explaining how their actions are actually solving the problem. I’m far removed from the ISIS situation, I’m not experiencing it, but now as a citizen my taxes are supporting military intervention and I’m implicated in my government’s actions. Thus my government should give me (and all citizens) some logical explanation as to how they are actually accomplishing anything of value. All I see is destabilization and violence propagating violence.

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Anonymous (12) (@) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Right… It’s all fucked. I think the only solution to the macrocosm of suffering is to tend to the microcosm of our individual lives. One generation of more peaceful and independent children could drastically change it I think. But as for now everything is absurd. But it probably always will be.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Everything you said in the first paragraph is true, but we need to understand that this is always how military action proceeds. It has unexpected consequences…

A rational argument for this action is that Al-Qaeda has been significantly weakened over the years, though their numbers have grown… Many terrorist plots they have planned have been stopped before hundreds or thousands of people died from them.

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joyous1 (42) (@joleensmith12) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

According to Maulana Wahiduddin Khan, the present problem of terrorism is based on an ideology and an ideology cannot be countered or killed through legal action or by mere condemnation. We have to develop a counter-ideology to overcome it.

According to UNESCO, “Violence begins from the mind”. It must, therefore, be uprooted from the mind itself. This goes directly to the root cause of terrorism. Therefore, in order to eliminate this root cause we need to initiate our efforts by beginning from the right starting point. And this starting point is the re-engineering of minds of individuals by taking them away from the culture of violence and bringing them closer to the culture of peace.
This is exactly what I am learning in school, that suffering is caused within and the government and the media instills fear, because how do we deal with suffering? Consumption, it is a temporary fix. Like it was said earlier, the machine doesn’t care about humans. It cares about money. But how do we fix any terrorist group? Not through violence… an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind. We need to fix the war within. That is fostering peace and introducing other cultures to experience compassion. I don’t know how to do that.. but as a student of the art of therapy, there is many ways in which we can help individuals or groups through therapy, and healing. We know from psychology, that any discrimination, jealousy, anger, hatred and ill-being is projected from the ignorance and misconception from within ones mind. We need to be accepting to all cultures, live without discrimination and always have an open mind and an accepting mind. As fucking “hippy” as this sounds, we all need to realize we are one and its about fucking time that public schools are taught basic goodness and meditation/ self realization and contemplative learning. Thank you.

– See more at: http://www.cpsglobal.org/solutiontoterrorism#sthash.wxGBuXJz.dpuf

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ceruleanswim (59) (@ceruleanswim) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Thank you for this. I so agree, that “violence begins in the mind”. It upsets me to see all the fear mongering in the media, and to hear the US gov’t once again beating the drums of war… I appreciate your insights into more constructive solutions to the issues underlying terrorism and violence.

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Alex (63) (@alexsabus) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

The cultural acceptance in Europe has lead to the spread of Radical Islam there. Many of the so called brutal militants are citizens of western countries, converts and immigrants.

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Alex (63) (@alexsabus) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMe0rgxqlOQ ,
This short video shows how the hate mindset in these people are not gonna end at least for a century.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

A good start to this would be countering the extreme prejudice in the west promoted by the likes of Bill Maher, that Islam is a religion of violence, that Islamic culture is a culture of violence. This sort of thinking is racist and lacking in intelligence, yet we see it promoted every day in the “conservative” press in the west. And supposedly Maher is a liberal, the opposite side of the political spectrum. This is a good example of how Islam is being demonized in the west:

http://www.salon.com/2014/10/12/bill_mahers_horrible_excuse_why_his_defense_of_islamophobia_just_doesnt_make_any_sense/

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