what if god…(not trying to offend anyone by any means!)
what if god created heaven & hell, as a trick to get us to follow his rules willingly? he hides as the devil to get us to love him and trust him and follow him and believe him and for what? a place after death where nothing happens? isn’t that what it is? the bible is just a book that humans found? i’m not trying to offend anyone who believes in a god! just a thought that crossed my mind.
It’s rather pointless but it is a “what if” I’ve never thought bout. I give you props for the curiosity.
I think you might be at the beginning of your amazing journey in awe of Existence, in other words, Questioning everything.
Why would i think this?
When you are at a higher level of consciousness you could care less about religion.
Spirituality is what you will get in touch with and those type of what ifs are pointless(don’t mean to offend).
I just feel it’s a waste of thinking.@nicolebanana,
@smokeup1, I really love the thought. The idea that God is the bad guy isn’t all new. What if God and heaven and hell are all things that are omnipresent? So, in this instance, hell isn’t really a punishment or heaven a reward but a consequence to actions that were predetermined by the way the ethereal world works. I do not think this is a waste of thought but a very good road to travel down and discuss.
@trentonalexanderhamilton, “There is nothing to gain. Abandon all imaginings and know yourself as you are. Self-knowledge is detachment. All craving is due to a sense of insufficiency. When you know that you lack nothing, that all there is, is you and yours, desire ceases.”
– Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
Meditation helps a lot. Reach you’re inner self, your spirituality.. this leads to no where. I don’t know how this type of thinking benefits a spiritual being.
If there is a way… please educate me, I’m all open ears.
@smokeup1, It may not benefit a spiritual being, but we are not just spirits. We are self and world concepts as well, the way that we look at the world and the questions we ask of it help us to understand and for me understanding is a very important part of existing. It may be a bit novel, but novelties add a little bit of salt to the things that must be thought about in pure factitious modes. I am not a very spiritual person as of yet, so I add my two cents with limited knowledge of where you’re coming from. I, also am all open ears. P.S. We have infinite space in our minds, why not add a little sidestreet in our mind to at the very least entertain ourselves or expose some truth.
@nicolebanana, I really love the thought. The idea that God is the bad guy isn’t all new. What if God and heaven and hell are all things that are omnipresent? So, in this instance, hell isn’t really a punishment or heaven a reward but a consequence to actions that were predetermined by the way the ethereal world works. I do not think this is a waste of thought but a very good road to travel down and discuss. just realized I only posted this in reply to a comment on here. Don’t know if this makes any difference posting it straight to the original post.
“People don’t really want to grow up, people don’t really want to
change, people don’t really want to be happy. As someone so wisely said to me, “Don’t try to make them happy, you’ll only get in trouble. Don’t try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it irritates the pig”. Like the businessman who goes into a bar, sits down, and sees this fellow with a banana in his ear – a banana in his ear! And he thinks, “I wonder if I should mention that to him. No, it’s none of my business”. But the thought nags at him. So after having a drink or two, he says to the fellow, “Excuse me, ah, you’ve got a banana in your ear”. The fellow says, “What?!” The businessman repeats, “You’ve got a banana in your ear. “Again the fellow says, “What was that!?” “You’ve got a banana in your ear!” the businessman shouts. “Talk louder”, the fellow says, “I’ve got a banana in my ear!” So it’s useless. “Give up, give up, give up”, I say to myself. Say your thing and get out of there. And if they profit, that’s fine, and if they don’t, too bad!”
– Anthony De Mello
You would understand me if you saw it in my perspective. It’s not about taking things too seriously or “being at such a high level of consciousness” but just giving advice on a different path where these type of “what ifs” no longer matter. The consciousness comes with it… there is no limit my good sir.
I could care less which path any of you take.. it’s non of my business. I just put my thoughts into a post,”And if they profit, that’s fine, and if they don’t, too bad!”
It’s all just good intentions.
My business here is done.
Peace be with you.
@trentonalexanderhamilton, Don’t get me wrong though.. we do need knowledge in this Earth we are living in to survive in MANY situations. I agree but people need be careful about the knowledge they absorb, especially the knowledge that’s considered manipulation.
It’s insane how manipulation makes people think they are sane.
I’m all for curiosity and questioning everything.
That’s how i got to where I’m at.
I trust you too will ‘awaken’.
It’s in our nature.
@smokeup1, you know, we’re probably coming from the exact same place. All I ever want for anyone has good intentions. And well, for me, laughing and or thinking about pointless shit is as key to all of this as exploring my mind, be it through meditation or however I choose to do it.
Assuming everyone at a ‘higher level of consciousness’ thinks the same though…well that’s silly.
@nicolebanana, In a way you are right, love is more fundamental than hate, so that hate cannot survive without love. The Devil performs his function just as he should.
There is no Heaven or Hell, it was made up to appeal to greed and fear, to control people. God didn’t do that “…ocracies” and “…archies” did that.
But tell me, why do people jump strait to the metaphysical aspects of the Bible, decide it’s to far fetched and condemn the whole Bible as bullshit? I’m not offended, I just want to know, because I have studied it academically for 10 years and regardless of all the “faith” factors, there is a lot of good insight on how to treat people.
I can’t read the Sermon on the Mount and find no fault with it, it is accurate and relevant, and it has nothing to do with controlling people, it is all about finding the Spirit of Love.
What if the tooth fairy really does exist, and she is a sadistic capitalist that not only collects teeth, but sells some teeth and invests the money by buying shares in companies like Tootsie, Mars, and Wrigley? If she did that then she could very easily continue to get satisfaction in her collections, but she could also keep earning profit while enjoying the sight of poor little kids having bones fall out of their gums for a mere fraction of what they’re worth on the market…
Really though, it is good that you are questioning things like this. The thing about God is, that the more you question any certain God that is tied to dogmatism, the more you start to break the foundation of fear and ignorance that the said God is created by. If there was a God, I feel that It would not want to test its creations in some sadistic way—pulling human beings towards desires so inherently and almost inseparably natural to them, and then punishing them after death because they were made to have flaws. That makes almost no sense.
@trek79, I don’t exactly understand what you are asking Ray. If humanity does its best to not fall victim to its own instincts then there would be much more to ask. After a certain amount of discipline is acquired, I think that the desire to do more outside of oneself is increased. There are an infinite amount of discoveries to be made. There are languages to be learned; buildings to be constructed; rivers to be followed; space to be explored; physics to be studied. There are millions of other things to ask ourselves after we discipline our thought patterns.
@nicolebanana, What if god isn’t as powerful as we think, as in, equally as powerful as lucifer. What if this battle of ‘good and evil’ is actually a battle for the collective consciousness of the human race?
What if god IS as powerful as we think? Lucifer being able to manipulate us as god watches. Lucifer is a part of the watchers. What if god is just proving a point?
What if god is just young? Inexperienced. Still learning. No mistakes though, I believe mistake is only a human concept. What if god is relatively young to the whole ‘god thing?’ (young could mean 6 billion years old for all we know)