One of my favorite quotes is by Friedrich Nietzsche: “And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.”
So what constitutes insanity, or what if we are living in a world of the insane where there are only few who see the world as it truly is?
What are your thoughts on the matter?
Nobody is really insane, The definition of clinical insanity comes from so called experts who publish a thick book about symptoms on depression, schizophrenia etc. on a regular basis (it`s the so called DSM, Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disordes, recently the 5th edition came out). My grandfather was a psychiatrist and he once inspired me with his claim that he believes that the world would be so much more peaceful and there would be so much less “fake” people if everyone would be a little clinically insane. I think he was fucking right!
I’ve felt insanity, and personally I believe fear OF Insanity IS true “insanity”.
I met a man 2 days ago that told me that the fedex trucks, the ups truck and the fucking police had 12 helicopters after him. But it was like that cause he had “broke the matrix” … He believed he was also the son of the sun, and that he was basically jesus reincarnated.
Take your pick. I think he was pretty far gone.
Sane is probably relative. We invented the word to be able to distinguish behavioral patterns not like our own, it just got messed up from there. Who are weto say what is normal ourselves if we dont know where the normal mark really is? A general consesus has been used, but on second hand experience. I truly think schizophrenics may have a higher up on us. They can actually see the things in their mind take form. Like looking into your own head, such a hard thing for us all. Just because they can do it doesnt mean they are insane. Foreign doesnt mean wrong, as so many have been led to believe.
There is no definition of Insane in the DSM. I think people are considered insane with anything from the cliche “doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results” to having a wildcard moment and jumping out of a moving car, all the way to having the voice of Morgan Freeman tell you to set up a fighting ring and pitting toddlers against rabid racoons. I dont use the word insane, unless its to describe something ridiculously awesome.
Nietzsche isn’t referring to people with mental health problems, obviously..it’s a metaphor..
People who take obvious delusions and illusions to be 100% real and don’t even question it. They don’t even realize there is anything wrong with them because they are too blinded/unconscious to see it. Differing from the norm does not constitute insanity. My dad is a psychiatrist (for the the self righteous out there who think they have the mental health system figured out at the age of 20, let the hating commence) and the stories he has of some people are ridiculous.
@ijesuschrist, I have actually came across a guy like that before. He claimed he was impervious to illness and didn’t need to eat. He was also deathly think which made me worry. A nice guy over all but very self righteous and he believes he is going to help usher in a new age come 2012…. He also whole heartedly believed that the world was going to stop turning and then begin to turn the other way- which he said would cause global flooding. When I explained to him the impossibility of this and how if it all happened we would all die anyways he seemed aghast at first, but then thought the flooding would happen to some extend anyways. I personally think the climate change IS normal, maybe a tad accelerated but nothing we can avoid because it would happen one way or another. Think of how hot it was in the Jurassic era D=
@mikeyw829, I agree there are degrees to psychosis and being depressing certainly isn’t classified as being “psycho”. I love psychology and am planning on studying it in university, I currently hold most of my knowledge in child development and even with that knowledge I know psychosis is a totally different type of metal ailment on it’s own. Perhaps maybe even more considered an attribute to a mental illness.
So I guess I consider psychosis a state, not something someone can simply just plainly be.
I’ve heard some convincing arguments that any form of human thought is a form of insanity. As @generaltitsvonchodehoffen, said,insanity for medical or legal purposes is a massive deviation from the average human mindset. For those purposes, this definition is fine. A person who tries to cut their stomach open because they think there’s an evil cat inside should be hospitalized so they can’t do harm to themselves. A person who killed someone because he thought he was an immortal Knight Templar should be committed so they can receive proper treatment.
Where it gets dicey is when you try to expand this definition. My father is someone who believe that since our penal system is so broken, everyone who commits a crime should be sent to a hospital instead of a prison. I’m not disagreeing with his assessment of correctional facilities. But saying anyone who breaks the law is deemed insane is too dangerous, especially in the case of political dissidents. Say someone is arrested and convicted as a political agitator. If they are sent to prison, they are branded a criminal, but their truth still survives in the bottom of their cell. If they are sent to a hospital. they are branded insane, and the doctor’s job is to rework his mind so that it complies with what is considered the norm. In other words, their job is to kill his truth. This is of course a worst case scenario, but those have their place in these discussions.
Getting back on topic, insanity is best described as something that impairs you. I have a mental illness, and when I don’t take my medication, things tend to go badly. I become angry, scared, uncooperative, and sometimes dangerous to myself and others. Actually, the medication doesn’t really cure these symptoms, it just makes them easier to control. But to label anyone who behaves differently as insane is not really accurate. The litmus test is whether they are being a danger to themselves, and even then, there are exceptions. If someone wants to walk a tightrope over Niagara Falls, he’s not crazy if he takes reasonable precautions to ensure his safety, even if all that would be is practice. If he feels safe because winged elephants will catch him when he falls, he should be stopped.
@justsomeguy, Since the decorum for behaviors and customs are primarily defined by each culture’s individual standards, it’s extremely difficult to create a blanket definition for what constitutes as “insane.”
However, since each culture has its own standards for what’s right and wrong, and since it’s the inherent responsibility for each member of a society to do right, I’d say a more-or-less universal definition of insanity is the lack of ability to discern between right and wrong.
@mikeyw829, Well… I kind of agree with you, but… in that case we can all be arbiters of what insanity is. Because there might be a person who believes in the existence of God and another one to believe they actually communicate with God, angels, demons, teenage mutant ninja turtles, the wizard of Oz, we all live in a yellow submarine and love. Ever noticed how people do absolutely crazy things when they’re in love?
@donjaime23, even criminally insane is something not so simple as defining right and wrong. Someone might feel guilty of being right, while someone else not feel anything at all, but realize what they should feel, because it’s in a book. Which means that probably all kids are kind of insane. :)
Basically, I have no fucking idea.
The term catch-22 was coined by Joseph Heller in his novel Catch-22. Initially this is based on the explanation of the character Doc Daneeka as to why any pilot requesting a psych evaluation hoping to be found not sane enough to fly, and thereby escape dangerous missions, would thereby demonstrate his sanity:
“You mean there’s a catch?”
“Sure there’s a catch”, Doc Daneeka replied. “Catch-22. Anyone who wants to get out of combat duty isn’t really crazy.”
Insanity is a state of mind where you can no longer function as a member of society. Most bums are like that, talking to no one in particular and unable to hold a job.You’d never hire someone who didn’t answer the phone and decided to have conversations with their shoes instead of getting work done.
A guy I know went pretty much insane. He went from being a really cool guy to a compulsive liar and stealing things people, talking crazy shit and is now in a state hospital.
@betweenthewaves, yeah, Einstein said it right. And doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results actually works. Insanity is the only thing that will actually do you any good, if you’re not that stupid to be offended by how stupid you’ll look.
@mercurial, friend, please explain yourself.
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