what is education?

 confusedlife (@neverknow)7 years, 4 months ago

Education is a word that we made up just to have people tell you what to do. They say this is what you need to know, what is best for you. yet they don’t give you opportunities to strive at what you are best at. The tests are for people who can cram a certain amount of information in there minds in a short period of time. Other people need more options. The ones who are trying to learn it the way they want us to. The “education” they give us is bull shit. Teachers condemn you If your not learning it the way they want you to. so what do students do when there grades are shit and there parents are pissed. They give up and say what’s the hope in them doing anything with there life. This type of “EDUCATION” is not working!

May 9, 2014 at 11:35 am
josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

when we surround our self with what we need and want, it is a good place to start doing what we feel is best for our life. nothing is the end-all be-all.

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

Yes, but isn’t it brilliant that we have to spend our childhood and teenage years around what we hate to realize better what we don’t so we miss it some day nostalgically, because “real life begins when [put experience here no matter your age]”?

It’s working. The shit about parents, though. They don’t write enough books.

Sooner or later, we all choose to educate ourselves. There are a couple of defining factors we choose as instruments. You either evaluate yourself by your own standards or by someone else’s. What’s right or wrong about what you know and don’t know depends on how much you want to be of service of others. If you’re not in any service of others, you’re basically missing the point of what education is supposed to be and our authorities don’t know any better on every sphere of knowledge.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

“Education is a word that we made up just to have people tell you what to do.”

-Oh yeah, because the way people use it today is of course the way it was originally made up…
Or is it?

“they don’t give you opportunities to strive at what you are best at.”

-Such opportunities aren’t given, never have been, never should be.
That’s something you gotta do on your own. Nobody owes you anything like it, nothing good would ever come of babying a functional conscious human being.

“Other people need more options.”

-No they don’t. You don’t need any of it or anything like it.

“The “education” they give us is bull shit.”

-That’s why it’s possible to do it on a large scale. Expecting quality stuff for free/cheap is just plain stupid, expecting to be spoonfed that stuff is nothing short of insane.

“They give up and say what’s the hope in them doing anything with there life. ”

-That’s their own decision, formed by their own attitude and logic. Nobody ever forced anyone to think like that, it’s a stupid decision that cannot be blamed on anyone but the very person who makes the decision.

“This type of “EDUCATION” is not working!”

-Doesn’t work for you on your terms, perhaps.
But the truth is that it does work and does accomplish what it’s supposed to.

The crude, confused state of your original post indicates that you’re not very fond of effort and don’t look things over again before you decide that it’s final, and that you pay very little attention.

But no, recognizing the problem and doing something about it would require questioning the self and making an effort… so let’s just blame it on bad education and other people…

People these days…

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confusedlife (5) (@neverknow) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

@manimal I was not looking for you to look downon my writing it is the way I feel and I don’t need you telling me what is right and what is wrong.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

Real education confusedlife, is when you are out in the world, making your own way, and no one cares what happens to you, and you have to survive by your wits and whatever useful knowledge you can acquire to make useful decisions>

Do not let school get you down. It is largely irrelevent in the grand scheme of things unless you see your life as endless schooling (that is, after school, a job, in a company, where they tell you what is right and wrong just as your teachers are doing now).

Face the fear of educating yourself and living with ignorance where you’ve overlooked vitally important things. This is the true impetus for “education.”

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

One additional comment. You will learn, after you have been in the working world a few decades, that school is SOOOOOOOO EASY. Its basically paradise compared to the “real world.” This is true not only of high school, but also of college. I WISH I could spend my entire life just taking tests in college and getting paid well for it. That’s the ultimate cushy life.

You don’t have the perspective to really understand this fully yet, I suspect, but you will in 20 years.

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

What the fuck? Seriously, how fucked up you can be to tell someone what he is going to be in 20 fucking years?

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

You have a long difficult life ahead of you Marlon if you can’t take what I’ve said seriously and consider how good you have things right now.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

Watch this video posted by MonkeyZazo here Marlon and mabye you’ll begin to think about what I’ve been trying to tell you. But some things in life really do have to be learned the hard way.

Looking for a link to video

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

I especially love the part where you can make a conscious decision about the negative or positive perspective you can have in life. I am still disagreeing with your “20 years” argument, though. Some people can’t go through college without adapting to a stressful environment and there are people who love their jobs more than others. I am definitely not one of those who get their kicks from unhealthy stressful work. I wish I was that crazy. I reacted this way because I’ve had enough with the spreading of hopelessness at the moment. It wasn’t fair to burst out like that but I also haven’t eaten anything in 5 days and I don’t understand negative people with full bellies. Excusez-moi.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

Well, school, public school and private school, are institutions. And any institution is going to have some serious shortcomings becuase its designed and run by human beings. Same goes for capitalism, Christianity, being a Republican or a Democrat, you name it.

The point I was trying to get across to you is basically this: The system of study and testing in school is very much like gaming, like playing a video game. Its very results oriented. You work hard enough, long enough, and you’re going to get that “A” or you’re going to beat that “level” and move on to the next one. Its stimulus response. And that is very rewarding for people who can apply themselves to such systems and come out on top. That’s why school, to most of us in the working world for decades, is so easy, is basically a paradise.

Because in the working world, you can apply yourself and still fail for all sorts of arbitrary reasons you have no control over. Your boss can hate you. Some politician can make a decision that ruins the economy where you live. Someone can gamble in the stock market on hedge funds and put millions out of work… All sorts of uncontrollable things happen in the real world that can affect you very negatively. And this is why most people fight for jobs, but hate them once they have them. Everyone looks for security out of fear.

School is not like this. In school, you know you’re safe, you’re fed every day, you go home to a house where your parents take care of everything… (For the most part. I realize there are exceptions, inner cities, gangs…) But if you apply yourself, you get good grades, others kids admire you, your parents are happy, they say you have a bright future ahead of you>

You make all the same effort out in the real world on your own Marlon, and you can still end up homeless, alone, with no money, and with no one caring one way or the other.

You really can’t understand the difference between these two worlds fully until you’ve lived them for ten, twenty, thirty years…

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

Well, thanks I guess for the not so motivational lecture. It’s good reminding myself I’m not a psychopath. I also agree on some of things you’re saying, but I also disagree on some points you’re making – about the reward system in particular – that’s really different for everyone.

This is probably not as important as the big picture, but why would you care if your boss hates you? Not everyone thinks of being admired by others either. I think you can get payed or lose your job without having hard feelings from your employer.

I’m gonna say I agree with your point mainly for the concrete experience you have in a work field and I can’t disagree with all the negative possibilities we might have to deal with every day.

But school is still not a paradise, especially with the unbelievable loans they have to pay for those said degrees, not much about the education you’re receiving. (I’ve seen all kinds of experts with degrees, experts are the most various people in the world.)

I’m guessing I’m also not going to judge you for assuming my age or experience but it’s kind of you to care about kids.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

Marlon, if your boss hates you, who do you think the first person is going to be who is fired when your company has to make cutbacks?
Every company has internal politics – favoritism. I’ve seen it first hand. I worked for a company once where some bad decisions were made and a third of the workforce was fired without notice because of this. The VP was a real a-hole. I didn’t like him, he didn’t like me. I was great at my job but ended up getting marginalized and left the company not long after restructuring. They later fired HIM because he was so bad with people, but that was after I was gone and there was nothing to be done about it.

This is what you will experience in the working world. When things go bad, you don’t just get a “C” or a failing grade, you no longer have the money to buy groceries because you were working with someone who was unable to treat people in a fair manner.

School may not seem like a paradise to you now, but it will down the road, trust me.

There are good experiences in the working world of course. And I know school can be very tough, but from a perspective of someone whose been there (I have two college degrees) I know that without the debt, school is a a fantastic life compared to the working world. This is why most academics (professors) stay in their jobs their entire lives. They know what the corporate sector is like and have no desire to live in it even though they’d make much more money there.

Basically, at some point you’ll see that there’s no going back. Life gets more difficult and complicated the older you get.

So the best way to prepare for that is to ignore everything that is trivial and focus on those things you are best at and enjoy the most.

Good luck.

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

Thanks for sharing that. I definitely have troubles having fair manners with people who don’t. It’s a little hard to ignore them so I start thinking of them as trivial. Basically, if someone is lacking simple humanitarian behavior they can’t get more trivial for me. It’s surely not a great attribute for a heartless business boss. :)

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

I think the best way for you to improve your school situation is to just accept the classes where you aren’t doing great. Do what you can, and ignore the grades as much as possible. And focus on whatever subjects you really love. That’s where your future is. People will tell you you need a “well rounded education” but that’s mostly BS. What you need to do is maximize what you are good at, what comes easy to you, and minimize what is hard.

When you are going on job interviews, they won’t care one bit how you did in history, unless you’re planning to work in a museum, or how you did in physics, if you are applying for a job as a hairstylist… You get my drift.

People are going to be telling you what to do all your life. Ignore it and follow what you know is best for you.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

Have you ever seen this documentary? If not, I think you’ll like it. Goes into a lot of what your expressing. And don’t let school get you down. A lot of the stuff you do IS bullshit, but don’t let those negative experiences define who you are or where your life is going.

Growing up people always looked down on me because of my grades and the way I acted in school. They used to always compare me to my sisters who were perfect straight A students. The thing is though, once I got into computers, once I started learning about stuff that I was actually interested in, that actually STIMULATED me, looky there, I started making straight A’s too. Wow! The funny thing though is when my big sister went to college (criminal justice major) and took a computer programming class, she got a D in the course. Said something along the lines of she didn’t really get content and wasn’t very interested in it. Everyone was shocked, but I wasn’t. No one else understood that a person will usually always struggle and do bad in something that holds no interest to them.

http://youtu.be/DAV17Li1pkM

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Obviously, you’re not a golfer (605) (@donjaime23) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

I think youre speaking more to the educational system than the definition on the word.

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