What is going on with China?!

Matt (@greenthinker) 10 years, 5 months ago

https://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2MS8dn/www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/12/why-tibetan-buddhists-are-burning-themselves-alive-in-china/249773/

The craziest part of this article is that this is the first I have heard about it anywhere.

Why do you guys think China runs their country this way? By "this way" I mean such a strict control of the media. I always think that China would over throw it’s government if they saw what was going on all over the world.

I honestly don’t know much about China besides the sweat shops and Foxconn. Is it really possible that no one in charge of China has a conscience?

December 15, 2011 at 2:41 am
BirdFlyingHigh (152) (@birdflyinghigh) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

I think you just answered your own question as to why they keep such strict control of the media.

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Jon (0) (@awesomejon) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

yes bird thats a good possibility… but Matt i havent seen or heard anything of this either thanks for sharing. im all for expressing yourself but damn i wouldnt set myself on fire hahah

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Matt (26) (@greenthinker) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

@BirdFlyingHigh Yea your right I did answer myself. It is just mind blowing that no one in charge has a conscience. Do they really think that having a huge economy due to borderline slave labor is worth it?


@Jon
No problem, I just stumbled on it. I wouldn’t set myself on fire, but these Monks obviously feel strongly about this hahaha.

Does anyone know why the Dalai Lama was banished from China? Who the fuck banishes the Dalai Lama?

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Joseph (114) (@warriors41) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

God damn they must be pretty desperate if this is how they decide to spread awareness. This has happened before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c#Self-immolation
Rage Against The Machine used the photograph as their album cover.

As for China I have no idea what’s going on over there. The area holds almost half of the entire world population yet no information is spread. All I know is that it is financially beneficial to have things constructed over there and then shipped back out around the world. It seems very mysterious to me…

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Matt (26) (@greenthinker) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

@Joseph not sure if serious.

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BirdFlyingHigh (152) (@birdflyinghigh) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

They banished the Dalai Lama because he is the head of the Tibetan Buddhist religion. The religion has popularity among the country folk, who are also the people who are the most likely to rebel against the Chinese government.

The Dalai Lama has enormous cultural power in Tibet and the people in the region – more power than the Chinese government. He left Tibet because he was in danger of being taken prisoner or killed by the Chinese, who feel threatened by his cultural power.

Remember, the Chinese government is Communist, and technically has no religion. They’re trying to suppress Buddhism AND take out a cultural leader.

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Matt (26) (@greenthinker) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

@BirdFlyingHigh thanks for explaining. This is all ridiculous to me.

Do you guys think it is ok for other countries to buy goods from China? America has laws against exploiting workers but people are people. I think America should step up and stop buying materials from countries who exploit workers. I will pay more money.

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Anonymous (8) (@) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

I just watched a show about their government building damns in the mountain sides. Asking the villagers to move up land, so they refused and fought and won. Now according to the show their government has transformed to democracy in the environmental aspect, its open for debate. Maybe their transforming? But that is what I watched, china could have just let us think that then did what they wanted when the cameras were off kind of how the world likes to work.

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Matt (26) (@greenthinker) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

@Kirk willy That’s really interesting. Unless they just killed all the villagers. O.o

If you are talking about Three Gorges Dam that thing is reeking havoc on the environment. Take wiki with a grain of salt, but it’s pretty eye opening. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Gorges_Dam#Relocation_of_residents

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BirdFlyingHigh (152) (@birdflyinghigh) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

Matt, yes, you should always buy American!

There is a LOT of corruption in China – way more than in the United States. I don’t know the extent, I just know that it’s everywhere.

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Rachel (0) (@fakeplastictrees) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

If the people of China had full information of events such as the Tianamen Square Massacre, they would rise up against their government. Those in power do what they have to do to maintain power, and the only way to keep power over a billion citizens after committing such vile human rights violations is to keep information about those violations from the people.

I have had some pretty frank conversations with Chinese coworkers; they did not realize the situation in their country fully until they left its borders. Of all the Chinese people that I now know living in the US, only one wishes to return to the country after she has finished her education, and I think that’s due to a pretty big culture shock she felt when she moved here.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

Hell is the media really any good in “free” nations? Murdoch media controls like 70% of it and you cannot help but notice the bias of political agenda. The media is a powerful propaganda machine, if used incorrectly and it is by Murdoch media, and it is very dangerous. People die, wars happen and governments are over-thrown because of freedom of the press and the Chinese government knows this, so they subdue it.
The media can whip a billion Chinese people into rebellion very easily, but if you ask me, China is actually in a very ideal state currently and to threaten that by liberating the media there, would be to risk throwing the entire quadrant into turmoil. Leave well enough alone.

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Matt (26) (@greenthinker) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

@Ray Butler “if you ask me, China is actually in a very ideal state currently”
Can you please explain this?

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

Because it is relatively stable. Remember it is a nuclear country with a, granted communist yet progressive government. It is not quite what we are used to but the movement towards becoming a friendly nation, with capitalist free-trade ambitions is growing. They were, and to a lesser degree still are, a nationalistic and xenophobic entity, once considered quite hostile to the international community and they have come a long way to move that status to a more cordial state.
There are nearly a billion Chinese people and if you suddenly throw a spanner in their works, disrupt the social order that exists, who knows what the result will be, perhaps something worse than the political situation now?
There is no guarantee what will take over if you dissolve the government there now. It is akin to the Saddam Hussein situation in a way because he may have been a tyrant but removing him created a civil disorder that has resulted in many deaths, most of them Iraqi civilians.
I am not saying it was a bad idea to get rid of him, few would argue that, but sectarian and insurgent violence has escalated to a phenomenal degree since he was removed.
The China situation is similar but on a much larger level and if you factor in everything about China at the moment, they are much more co-operative than what they could be.

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Peter (152) (@searchingforthetruth) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

Relatively Stable Ray? More than half their country lives in poverty and they incarcerate those that speak against their leaders.

They are a communist nation that has embrace capitalism…and it has been working for 200 million people…but they have huge problems ahead of themselves.

I think we are disillusioned at the incredible rise of china…buts its been happening for the last 30 years…i would say they are far from stable. They just have all the money.

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Matt (26) (@greenthinker) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

Yea I am not sure I would call a country stable if they have to censor their media with an iron fist to keep everything under control.

Although you do bring up some good points that they are headed in the right direction. I think any country who purchases items form China are not helping either.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

Considering the involvement with the Korean war, and i’m sure they lent a hand in Vietnam, China has been quiet. Sure they are a domestic basket case, but other than Tibet they are not looking very aggressive atm. I think we are lucky they are not more demanding on the world. North Korea is more an immediate issue.

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Peter (152) (@searchingforthetruth) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

The difference between US foreign involvement and Chinese foreign involvement is that they freely lend money to whoever and stay out their affairs. They lend to North Korea, Iran, Cuba…no questions asked. You need money…China got it!

On the other hand. the US puts clauses on their financial help..in the ways of restructuring to a democratic community…accepting a US military base..and opening the markets to a US corporation.

The tides changing…the developed West is losing and the rest of the world is winning.

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elton (0) (@elton) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

Interesting point you pick up on Peter, China lends to whoever they can make money from while the US dictates terms and conditions…so which country is more capitalist and which is more oppressive in this respect?

A(nother) new military base is now being built here in Aus. and over the last few decades our society has definately taken on a “US” theme, with many/most of our largest businesses now being US owned and controlled. And Rupert Murdoch is our most embarrassing export. O.o

As a side note I found this recent quote from my hero Seth MacFarlane quite funny ~”I wonder what President the corporations are gonna buy us next year!”

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

We’re coming to an end point in the cycles of the universe. Things will get more chaotic before we come back around. I believe WW3 will be that end point, and afterwards we will emerge into a new world, a better world. Goes quite well with “circling the square and squaring the circle” as well.

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