What is peace?

 backcase (@backcase)5 years, 11 months ago

I have heard that peace is the natural state of the soul.

What do we do if we have gone too far from that state?

Anyone?

August 30, 2013 at 6:41 am
drazzilblazin (99) (@drazzilblazin) 5 years, 11 months ago ago

@backcase

what ever you wanna do man, what do you want to do?

you want peace? then come into harmony

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 5 years, 11 months ago ago

@backcase,

I kinda disagree with that. If the soul never knew any discomfort, turmoil, problems, etc., how could it know “peace”? Peace is something that exist inside duality. The natural state of the soul is a non-dualistic one. Its a state of oneness with everything. I would say its more the stillness that comes from accepting everything as it is, instead of the peace of knowing or perceiving no turmoil or discomfort.

I also theorize that duality is something that exist in the mind. So maybe the natural state of the mind is a peaceful one.

I too have also heard something similar to what your asking about. It was so long ago that I can’t remember who or where I heard it from. Its: A still spirit can conquer anything. I really dig those words. From thinking about this discussions and my response, it kinda makes me think about the meaning of it. Maybe a still spirit, a spirit that is in sync with everything, can literally overcomes everything including the turmoils of duality.

Kind of in overdrive right now. My thoughts are all over the place. This is more of food for thought.

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backcase (204) (@backcase) 5 years, 11 months ago ago

@monkeyzazu, Thanks for your reply. I get what you mean. That saying you put is most likely derived from the Tao.

Peace doesn’t have to be dualistic. Peace can be oneness, like when waters are calm and clear. That would also be like stillness.

I like to think of peace as clarity and being receptive to the Creator.

It just depends on our perceptions of the word and where we have seen it.

Another from the Tao “A master of calm is a master of haste.”

Peace to you.

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Curious George (3) (@miggs331) 5 years, 11 months ago ago

Awesome perspectives! This is mine:

Peace is found when the unbalanced equation of life reaches its entirety within nothing. Mathematically, 0 is peace. The 0th dimension is the only dimension that is absent of any dimension plane because it contains infinite dimensional planes. Logically, 0=0, infinity=infinity, and 0=infinity. It’s the circle of mathematics, the circle of logical paradox, the circle of life, and the circle of peace.

The circle of peace could be seen as a paradox between peace and chaos. From a Roman Catholic perspective, the devil’s peace is chaos while God’s peace is humanity’s perceptions/assumptions of peace (ie. love/bliss/calmness/serenity). Logically, if the devil did not exist, then our perception of Life as we know it would not exist. Free will entitles us to live in the imbalanced state of peace…within the chaos of motion. If all we did was God’s will, then we would be God, and nothing separated from God. We would cease to exist as the people we are. God, mathematically, is 0 while we are the infinite numbers in the system that are both separate from 0 and contained within it. Think about it, we all believe that a 0 exists; yet, we cannot touch it, we cannot see it, we cannot even describe it through a proof of traditional mathematics. It is only through the acceptance of a believed theory that we can even get remotely close to something defined as a 0.

Philosophically/Logically, the only way to defeat the devil (hate) is with love. Thus, the “Problem of Evil” is another example of the 0th dimension/the circle of paradox….Love is equivalent to 0 while hate is equivalent to whatever is perceived to be other than 0. Yet love can only love. So religiously, God can only love the devil, which is why God is more powerful than the devil. Love, just as 0, contains all other emotion within it, including hate It may be true that the devil, the greatest evil in the world came from God, the all powerful and good Being that he is, but it is only because we are not capable of truly knowing God/Love/0. We cannot understand Left without a Right. We cannot understand an Up without a Down, we cannot understand Love without Hate. Yet, if you have been grasping what I have been trying to say, they are all relative to the infinite number of subjective perspectives we all base our reality on.

All in all, peace is whatever you define it as. It is, because when it comes down to it, we all experience peace differently. I hope this nonsense has helped!

-the greatest thing you’ll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return.

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backcase (204) (@backcase) 5 years, 11 months ago ago

@miggs331, Wow, I’m not sure what to say to that, but I think I kind of get it.

My mind translates this into the following:

0 or peace is the acceptance and involvement in all experience without being attached to or opposed to experience. Experience without bias.

Krishnamurti says: “The ability to observe without evaluating is the highest form of intelligence.”

Am I getting near your theory?

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Curious George (3) (@miggs331) 5 years, 11 months ago ago

@backcase, you got it friend! I was trying to relate to so many different areas of study in the topic that I feel like it was very choppy. I didn’t know how to keep it short while still being comprehensible because of jumping around so much. Bottom line, everything is what we believe it to be. Aristotle’s Golden Mean, I think, is much better portrayed as a circle than a bar. The extremes at either end are actually rather close to each other. The Golden Mean was meant to illustrate how balance is the proper way to live a life…sort of like the Buddhist notion of the Noble 8 Fold Path. However, everything is relative. What one person can see as being brave, another can see as being full-hearty. Even though there is a middle path, the parameters that define such a path can only be justified through a subjective belief in the degree of the set of extremes. Again, peace is what you make it. It’s everywhere because you can feel it the most when you’re in “nowhere”.

-the greatest thing you’ll every learn is just to love and be loved in return.

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backcase (204) (@backcase) 5 years, 11 months ago ago

@miggs331,

A few times in meditation, which I think purified me greatly, I would get almost irritated by my thoughts and judgements and totally renounce them as immediately as they came in.

It felt like being a child and refusing to be taken away from the breast of your mother.

Then my thoughts would give up, or maybe I would just detach, and I was free in the freedom of not having to be anything. I was free from any conception of self as a droplet of dew which reaches the ocean and melds with it, flows with it, and transforms to it.

And then I would wake up from the ocean of peace, calm and totally refreshed, only to have my thoughts perturb me once again.

Ah well, my day of purity will come.

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Curious George (3) (@miggs331) 5 years, 11 months ago ago

@backcase

Agreed, each time a concept is grasped feels like another chain to an anchor that’s keeping me in a harbor of limited existence.

-the greatest thing you’ll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return.

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Anonymous (2,653) (@) 5 years, 11 months ago ago

I took a deep breath and decide to reply.

I’m not going to share something extraordinary, so be prepared for complete triviality.

The message of Jesus was this: “I will take care of you. Like other have taken care of me, I will not stop taking care of everyone. I will not stop taking care of, and care for everyone.” Peace is realizing that if you don’t understand the reason religions were created, you’re going to suffer questioning reality. Reality is a word that is often abused when the definition of God is mentioned.

Here is what peace is, basically. You have to realize what the lack of peace means first, to embrace it. But it’s still peace.

Just walk in no peace until I find that fool!

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backcase (204) (@backcase) 5 years, 11 months ago ago

@beyond, I kind of get what you mean I think. I’m not sure, it seems like you had a hard time communicating your thoughts in this post when usually you speak very clearly.

What I think that you are trying to say is that we must embrace a certain clueless-ness. And that because we are clueless, we are helpless, and we must have trust in God who protects us, even if we are without a clue about his reason for doing so. Am I correct?

I am not saying I agree nor am I saying I disagree, but I would like to understand before I say anything.

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Anonymous (2,653) (@) 5 years, 11 months ago ago

@backcase, Basically, your response to me is what full understanding means. :)

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backcase (204) (@backcase) 5 years, 11 months ago ago

@beyond, ya lost me

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