What is your honest view on religion?
I don’t like to judge others, but then religion is for dopes. It’s bad to judge, but then people who are religious often lack good critical thinking skills.
People believe that the Bible, Talmud, Koran, Gita, etc. are the infallible works of God, when they cannot realise that in ancient times the moral consensus was to develop systems to dictate how humans should behave. This is essentially why the Catholic Church came into being.
If a God exists, then it’s unlikely he cares about what humans actually do or think. he probably created the universe as an experiment, and is not interested in us at all. He doesn’t need to be, if he exists and is eternal.
I have my view, I’m interested in all of yours.
this IS why this forum is here, for discussion.
So keep up, since I never said my view was the correct view.
er.. no, your reaction was comical, since you assumed my intent without backing it up. But yeah, you claim intelligence but don’t show it…..
People contradict, and say things they don’t mean all the time.
I can sense this irks you since somebody is moving onto your territory, but I don’t care.
@desifemilove Im not leaning 100% either way as to if there is or is not a God. There is something greater than us at work for sure, whether its consciousness, energy, God or whatever. But if there is a God and he created us I would believe he might not care what we do because he does not judge for it is beneath him to do so. He knows that in the end we will reunite with the original source, the all, the nothing, the infinite and finite, the whole.
As for the original question, religion is not for me. I think that the readings, books, stories etc have been changed so much and manipulated for an agenda that its not authentic anymore. There is wisdom in all religion but there is also blasphemy, lies, corruption etc, so I no longer follow a certain religion. Just strive to be a better person than I was the day before, try and let love flow through me and out of me to others. We dont need religion to tell us right and wrong if we are conscious of our evolution as a species. We will keep learning and growing and becoming better people.
There is definitely some “god” or just something that overlooks this thing we call the universe. But who really knows……..Maybe we will discover something profound enough to prove that there must be a god or just something that caused all these processes to start in the first place. I believe that religion can go so many different ways , but sometimes it can regulate your views and pollute society. I think the moral values that are taught with religion are the thing that have to be emphasized more than the god, or gods itself. But believing in something so heavily that you try and falsify all others that believe in something different.
Whoooah, you did NOT just say that to a bunch of Amurican white trash internet warriors….
Of course you did.
We’ve all been down that road sometime or other, but it’s fruitless and pointless.
You might as well tell it to a donkey, it would probably understand just as much as these Jesus fanboys/-girls
As you said. They lack critical thinking, logic, perspective and the will to question and figure things out.
So… what do you think would come of asking them to use critical thinking and logic and question stuff?
You know who they are, if you read the OP.
Where did I say it’s everyone?
“Is this not a site where the open-minded go to spread thoughts and ideas?”
Unfortunately, no. This is a site where people who LIKE TO CALL THEMSELVES open minded come to REGURGITATE trendy “spiritual” flourish and cant, in an attempt to get validation from people.
Mostly Amuricans at that, which comes as no surprise.
My honest view on religion is that I don’t know. Maybe it’s real, maybe it isn’t, maybe it’s real but we’ve interpreted it incorrectly or correctly but only partially, etc. If there was a deity of some kind, and they truly had unlimited power, then they could have created the world and erased all evidence of their existence for reasons we can’t comprehend.
I don’t know. I am skeptical but open to the possibility of a supreme being. Most of the time I prefer to just live my life and not worry about it either way, because today I am as young as I’ll ever be. I think for practical, day-to-day matters, the golden rule works just fine. Do unto others as you would have done unto yourself (and defend yourself/others/your property if it comes down to it).
in my views, religions are psychotherapies ante litteram.
My hypotesis is that the need for spiritual evolution is ingrained in all the matter, therefore in human beings. This need was met by religions, which fulfilled also as wisdom&knowledge reservoirs.
This explains the food/sex/behavioural rules.
For example, if you compare the rules about food of religions developed at the same geographical&temporal coordinates , you’ll find a wide overlapping. Food rules are mostly food prescripions ( to avoid food related illness) but also hints to a well functioning society. For example: hebrew and muslims consider pigs as a not pure animal i.e. food source.The fact is that the pig is an omnivorous mammal ( as humans are) and, therefore it is in competition with us for food sources. Immagine the social instability that could bring the habit to feed ananimal with human-grade food in a society where agriculture was an uncertain and low-yield business.
Because body’s health is the first step toward soul’s health, and because a stable society is crucial to mantain body’s health, religious rules addressed very practical questions too.
Religious spiritual rules should be a self-guide to spiritual evolution for people without any cultural background and so the rules were ment to be embraced without questioning them.
Alas, nowadays religions have backfired, as anyone can notice opening the newspapers.
A word of caution: things usually go wild about religions because the same blind acceptance is asked to the believers even about the existence of God, the nature of God, the nature of the relation between God and Man. In my opinion, if the religious spiritual path really leads the believers to God, then they could tell for themselves every one of the above mentioned themes. But what attract people is a mean of power and power attracts people who love power. The consequencies are obvious, I think.
I hope that my first post will reappear one day or another.
I have another point to clarify about my hypotesis that the religions are psychotherapies ante litteram.
If you study the biography of the saints (every religion has its own), you will notice that their conversion follows the same phases of every psychotherapic change: insight, regret, suffering, forgiveness.
I hope that my first post will reappear soon… I’ve spent a lot of time on it :(
When it comes to Catholicism, in the last two thousand years, most of the population has not been literate nor important enough to know the dealings that might have gone on behind closed doors. Whether or not Catholicism had any credence for the Abrahamic god is not now provable since it is likely that the Catholic religion has altered the Bible or has fabricated things in order to assume control over people in the last two millenniums. Most people would not have known better that this might have happened, nor would they have had the power to stop it. Therefore, I cannot, in good conscience for the sake of me, trust the religion at all as a reliable source for coming to know its God.
It is the anthropomorphistic compulsion to make the universal consciousness appear as a man, separate and individual that disturbs me. Are we not great enough to accept there is something that we cannot define and categorise in human terms? A spirituality that connects and inspires us beyond the physical? The organised religions contain an essence of spirituality, well hidden behind a need for ceremony and obfuscation and acquiring obscene wealth. Micky:))
You are right.. Certain religions definitely in my opinion as well as yours are set up so that you need to have faith and not even question it. If you can’t question then what are you??..I think that all of those books were the works of god. Everything is a work of god. You are god. I am god. Everything is god. Don’t even put a name on it.. we’re just all “it” we are not seperate.
I think religion is commonly a form of social control, and more uncommonly a path to personal enlightenment. I can deny the truth and true intent of any organized religion, but cannot deny the happiness and spiritual well being it brings to some.
I would like to start by saying that I am a strong Christian believer, so it’s pretty obvious what I believe about religion. But I would like everyone to know that, from what I’ve seen, Christians have received a bad stereotype. Whether this developed recently or has always been, I have no idea. But I’ve been exposed to it my whole life and it’s a part of who I am, so of course I’m going to believe in it. The stereotype seems to be that Christians hate everyone that doesn’t follow the same religion (or something like that) and they are very set in their ways. It’s true that this is the case with some of the older people that follow Christianity, but not nearly to this degree. And the reason for this is because those beliefs are mostly the only thing they’ve ever known. I see it with older people where I live because I come from an especially isolated region of the Appalachian Mountains. But with the development of things like the Internet, the boundaries between cultures become shorter and shorter, and it’s so much easier to learn about and interact with different kinds of people. I think that the newer generations of people are more accepting of all cultures just in general, not just Christians. That being said, I’m gonna share a part of the Christian belief to back up my point. In short, this is what it is: The ultimate goal of Christianity is to be kind and caring to EVERYONE. As in anyone and everyone you happen to meet. And, speaking outside of religion, isn’t it kinda an accepted rule to treat everyone as you would like to be treated? So why think of religious people as lesser? Yes, I am religious. Do I look down upon others under any circumstances? Absolutely not. Am I going to judge someone based on their sexuality, beliefs, or otherwise? No, definitely not. I really don’t understand all the hate on religion. I’ll probably even get hate for posting this, but I guess we’ll see.
I don’t look down on you but understand the basis of your religion is that you believe in it infallibly or burn in a fiery hell for eternity. So to believe in Christianity is to believe I’m going to suffer for eternity because I don’t? That doesn’t sound like breaking boundaries to other cultures to me.
That’s why it is your choice whether you ultimately choose to believe in Christianity, or believe that the consequences of not believing in Christianity are true or not. No one can change your beliefs but you. And I didn’t claim that Christianity breaks down cultural barriers, I said that “the development of things like the Internet” do, just meaning that it allows newer generations of religious people to be more exposed to people around the world. That way, a lot of prejudices and such left over from older generations go unfulfilled and people become more open-minded.