What is your perfect society?

 Matt (@greenthinker)8 years ago

A society with a strong culture of sharing with each other and loving one another, working together, laughing, finding and enjoying bliss, living happily and beautifully, with everyone’s best interest equivalent to each individual’s own best interest.

People will be brought up from birth in a loving community, educated in a drastically different system that encourages free-thinking and thrives on the natural drive to learn that all human children have. There will be no exposure to greedy or hedonistic cultures, instead, people will grow up surrounded by this ever-present happiness, learning that living virtuously leads to a life free of suffering and full of genuine joy.

A society in which "property is theft." The government will not force people to give up their possessions for them to be re-distributed, rather, individuals will willing give up everything to the mutual control of everyone. Everything is to be shared. Individuals, finding spiritual wealth in their everyday lives, will understand material wealth to be meaningless, except when referring to the wealth of all, as a collective.

Society will be truly democratic, all members will be truly equal. Population will be moderately dense, perhaps village-like, but not too city-like.

While this is all hypothetical, it may not be as far-fetched as you think. Such a society could be founded somewhere, and if successful, the idea could spread. In fact, I believe this is one of the only kinds of "sane societies" we could conceive of having. Our current society is certainly sick, and even if you found it to be sufficient for yourself, it is certainly not sufficient for everyone else.

October 25, 2011 at 2:08 am
Matt (26) (@greenthinker) 8 years ago ago

In the spirit of Occupy Wall St. I think we should all discuss our ideas of a perfect world. The occupiers are all in agreement that we need change, however an end goal has not been decided. Let’s decide/discuss one. I welcome criticism and anyone can tell me why my system wouldn’t work. I actually have 2, 1 more realistic than the other.

1. Realistic. This system is basically Stefan Molyneux’s. Free market. No government control what so ever. Little to no greed. No more welfare, no more social security, no more taxes. You get to keep your entire income each month, but here is the catch: organizations will try to persuade you to donate money to them. This is a good thing! The police and fire will likely make plenty of money, their pitch will be to please donate a nominal amount in exchange for protection.You can buy health insurance, car insurance. Organizations will ask you for donations to hospitals and such. If you want a road built from A to B then pool a bunch of people together that will use it and get money to have it built, then place a toll on it. No more national borders, and no more different currency. The currency should be based off a standard such as gold (this is all to avoid difficulties among different cultures). This system uses the natural checks and balances of uncorrupted capitalism. By checks and balances I mean that the commodities of life that are valued will get purchased, and the ones that have no need will not waste resources. Cons: Thievery is still rewarded by it’s definition. I haven’t thought about how a justice system would work. Greed can still take hold. I do not believe this system is in favor of our planet because oil will always be cheaper than sustainable energy (at least for the next 20 years).

2. The better idea. Everyone is brought up in a system which teaches you to take care of your fellow man or woman before yourself. See the problem with socialism is that the government forces you to give things away, mostly because we are not really brought up to WANT to give things away. Well it is my belief that this idea is taught to us, rather than part of human nature (which i also don’t really believe in.) Grade school will go from ages 5 to 15 and it will teach us how to deal with life, as well as the basics of today’s grade school. After that it is off to college to learn what you want to learn. Everyone in this life will do what they want because they don’t glean happiness from materials, they glean it from helping others. I truly believe this is the happiest life possible. Any job which no one wants to do will have a solution thought up to replace it. No more national borders, no more money at all.
Cons: This system may not deal with resources effectively, however it is my belief a simple vote can make decision for what resources to use. I find people raise the argument of “lazy” people, but I also believe this is taught.

I don’t enjoy using labels like capitalism and socialism, but I did rather than a big explanation.

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Ray Butler (1,422)M (@trek79) 8 years ago ago

My ideal world would be simple. There are necessary things we need like food, homes, transport, communication, clothes, domestic products medication and services like doctors and such (to name the basics). I think that in an ideal world where we all chipped in out labour in the equalest possible measure, I do not see that billions of people working 8 hours a day 5 days a week would be required.
I would like to see some kind of plan that shows all the jobs that are necessary for providing these requirements for 7 billion people and how many hours each of us of working age would need to do to provide these things. I’d also like to see the qualifications required to provide them.
Once the needs are covered we can all focus on our families, friends and interests. We would have to rule out pretty much anything that is not sustainable, renewable or equally divisible between those who seek it.

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jake arends (10) (@jakexx) 7 years, 12 months ago ago

The world I live in is perfect.

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Matt (26) (@greenthinker) 7 years, 12 months ago ago

@jake what world is that?

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Manimal (2,999) (@manimal) 7 years, 12 months ago ago

This world is damn near perfect. Society is not the world.

As for my perfect society, one word: freedom.

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James (0) (@jimbo) 7 years, 12 months ago ago

im with Manimal on that one – freedom,

and some people still take their freedom for granted

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Matt (26) (@greenthinker) 7 years, 12 months ago ago

Ok, my mistake, what is your perfect Society. I can’t change the name of this post can I?

Do you have optimum freedom in your society?

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James (0) (@jimbo) 7 years, 12 months ago ago

not at all , well not the society we are experiencing at this moment – and im all the way in South Africa.

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Manimal (2,999) (@manimal) 7 years, 12 months ago ago

Well, I’m pretty much free from society. So their limits don’t really concern me, I live my own life.

The big society of today is a joke, fuck it, there is no real freedom in it.

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James (0) (@jimbo) 7 years, 12 months ago ago

He’s right – if you live in a city and think your’e free, chances are you’re not.

not now, that is.

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1.61803399 (247) (@drunkmonkmeth) 7 years, 12 months ago ago

Fine with this one. worked pretty well for me.. absolutely no complaints.

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Adam (0) (@peacefulchaos) 7 years, 12 months ago ago

Quite simply a world where there is not hatred and no violence. A world where everyone could no necessarily love each other but get along. Where we had the choice to an open education and we would not have a problem finding a job that we could enjoy. How this would ever happen is another question.

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Adam (0) (@peacefulchaos) 7 years, 12 months ago ago

@manimal are world is no where close to perfect i am in no way attacking you but you must not watch alot of news are society is falling apart we have no idea no one has any idea on how to run are world accordingly anymore are population is just getting to big.

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Anonymous (0) (@) 7 years, 12 months ago ago

A society where everyone can agree on what the perfect society should be.

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jake arends (10) (@jakexx) 7 years, 12 months ago ago

@matt , This world. I always used to dwell on that Question, you know the thing is that there will never be a perfect society, there will always be room for improvement, because that’s how people are, we are never happy with what we have, we always want something better. There is nothing wrong with that, because of that we have grown and learned a lot of things and you could say that this is the reason that we are moving forward. But forward to where? and this isn’t even my point. My point is that if we are not happy with what we have now we never will be happy, and that’s why the world I live in now is perfect. You should be content at some point, and what better time to be content then now?

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Nightowl (260) (@nightowl) 7 years, 12 months ago ago

@ty, very nice.

Most of these ideas are great, but they pivot on an enlightenment of humanity to the true nature of the cosmos and Self. @jake arends’ post is also relevant. Evolution has never occurred, intelligence never increased, without first a new existential hurdle that had to be leaped. These hurdles are part of the universe’s built-in framework for encouraging its own evolution. All of our speciel and societal problems should be BLESSED for the evolutionary possibilities they offer. If we make it through all this, the humanity that emerges on the other side will create nearly utopian worlds quite as naturally as this humanity has made the distopian. The real key is removing the current types of drivers from the driver seats, which is largely what the Occupy movement is starting. When humanity finishes taking itself into its own hands, if it doesn’t destroy itself a new type of evolution will have opened: one of conscious acts of controlling evolution instead of the archaic, ages-long, dark and physical means of change.

My “perfect society” is one in which economy and ecology are two words for the same thing.

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Lori (8) (@loriloulou) 7 years, 12 months ago ago

@nightowl, I find that you have a way of saying what I would have said if i was anywhere near as wise and eloquent as you are. Your posts have helped me organize my thoughts and put my feelings into words. Thank you for that.

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Matt (26) (@greenthinker) 7 years, 12 months ago ago

I really like where this is going.

@nightowl that is an awesome thought. Do you think an enlightened society just happens? Like if 2012-2013 bringing a new consciousness to the entire planet. Or do you think we collectively jump the hurdle? I would insert an example here but I can’t think of something of this magnitude in our history.

Do you all think we are headed towards a better society eventually? To me we seem to be in a very left brain, material driven world. I think we need some balance. Not to take this post completely off course, not like we have a direction anyway, but what do you foresee the future looking like?

Side note to really take this off course: Do you think we should even worry about the future, because that in and of itself is like what Jake is saying, that we will never be happy.

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Anonymous (0) (@) 7 years, 12 months ago ago

aperfect socitey ” the socitey we already made it by this tecnology this” virsual socity which we choice it and choice every thing in it : our friends> our interstes> our smilles even our tears :all we share with out space and handcuffs and this is society is not aاSci-Fi, or severe as in the ideal dreams of philosophers, but the community really effective . evidence for this is what actually happened in North Africa from which

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Nightowl (260) (@nightowl) 7 years, 12 months ago ago

Nature works in a cyclical way, and I’m quite sure it works this way in a fractal manner too. So the next spiraled cycle of [r]evolution is lapping back over like clockwork, and that’s what I feel this 2012 thing is, and lots of well-founded theories that evolved separately agree [I suspect that if there’s to be some kind of phenomenal event it will be Mar 21 or 22, 2013 since this is where the cycles “restart” if cycles can be said to do this, but I don’t know if there will be a phenomenal event]. So no, I don’t think they “just happen” but moreso that nature is set up to pass the opportunities to itself for itself to take if it’s ready, but the success is ours to determine.

I agree on the need for balance. I think the societal problems will begin to really correct themselves when a balance is reached, even if we don’t take any major evolutionary tests. Personally, I foresee a future like Dr. Richard Maurice Bucke describes in the beginning of “Cosmic Consciousness.” http://www.scribd.com/doc/23652585/Bucke-Dr-Richard-Maurice-Cosmic-Consciousness-A-Study-in-the-Evolution-of-the-Human-Mind-1905

Regarding “worrying about the future,” no and yes. Jake is right, but the thought could be followed by something Alan Watts states, that the “future” is a hoax unless planned for by those who are capable of accepting Now, both Now and the “future” when it becomes Now. Worrying about the future, in the sense that Jake means it, is turning attention away from the present.

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Manimal (2,999) (@manimal) 7 years, 12 months ago ago

@adam It’s “our,” not “are.” Don’t mean to be a dick, but that shit’s annoying. The world isn’t less perfect because some dickwads are causing trouble. The world itself is still perfect. Just because you don’t like what’s happening doesn’t mean it’s bad, it never is.

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Arunea (0) (@Arunea) 1 year, 9 months ago ago

Before trying to create a perfect society one should probably define it. What you said are wonderful traits of society but I believe that there should be one fundamental idea behind it all. What defines us? 

@greenthinker, you mentioned helping others as one of the main ideals. For me this is one of the two main goals a society should have; giving and recieving help from all those around you and another thing: Progress. This is what we humans succeed in. Working together to overcome any challenge. Otherwise we would never have risen to the evolutionary status we have now. Most predators are physically way stronger than one single human, but since we were small groups which gave every member a special purpose we could develop weapons to defend ourselfs with and tools to aid us in any way. This is what brought us to where we are now and gives us endless opportunities (both good and bad) 

So I believe, that cooperation and progress are the two main pillows this society should be built on. But sometimes it is hard to combine those two. Cooperation often suggests that everyone should be equal in every way while progress suggests competition which leaves people behind and makes others shine. I’m sure there is a middleground and we have to aim for it. Education is key. The values should defenitely be tought differently, threethinking should be a main goal and intercultural exchanges must be a big part of growing up. This way young adults would truly learn to appreciate different parts of the world (there will always be some kind of a difference, may it be language, ethnics, culture or, to be fair, social status), and how to deal with them. On the other hand everyone should have access to proper education so that we, as a society and we, as the human race can continue to evolve. We create and destroy and have to deal with the mistakes of the past. Only trough knowledge and progress can we account for what we already did to this world.

Breaking it down to those two points may be pretty simple and there is way more to it, but before we define a goal we cannot create a path. There is so much more to think about, like judicative, ledicative and executive or what to do with those, who go against this meritocracy (and this is one of the main problems for me with my idea, because the society is still based on performance…) I would be curios on whether you agree with me on my ideals or if you have different ideas?

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