what makes somebody good? what makes them bad too?

Anonymous (@) 7 years, 6 months ago

can we be good, without the bad? can the bad learn how to be good or is their badness a semi-permanent conditioning they’ve had from where they were brought up? tell me.

May 17, 2014 at 6:15 pm
obi (3) (@superpooper) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

im feelin like its alll subjective man

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Anonymous (7) (@) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

so you say its subjective. why?

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Ellie (1,363)M (@tangledupinplaid21) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

no because one only exists because the other is in contrast with it.

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

Case closed end of discussion.

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

It depends on the situation. It’s not subjective, because subjective perspective isn’t a constant. It’s also not in contrast with moral views because morality contains the good and bad. The only thing that matters is if you live your values. If you don’t, whatever you say is an excuse nobody fucking cares about.

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Anonymous (7) (@) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

it is said that we humans have a capacity for evil, no matter how good of a person we are.

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11:11 (25) (@nO-one) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

Yes, capacity. Not the necessity though.

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

A lot of things are said. This too: ‘If one man can create that much hate, you can only imagine how much love we as a togetherness can create!’

One of the sweetest persons I know told me early this morning: “People are stupid!” I said “Good morning!” of course. Politeness is important.

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11:11 (25) (@nO-one) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

It sounds as though you’re implying that things can never change. Like it’s a solid state of good and evil and we need to experience it all… And the scales must be in balance, so we can judge which is which.

I dont think you can apply this to everything.

Ok, if you make a current inventory…
Of say, the global situation. You’d come to find that the scales are tipping to the wrong way. Evil outweighs the good that our so called “civilisation” is doing to the planet. So I say we don’t need the a culture based on violence to know how good we have it here under these systems.

In other words, if we continue the current process, and kill all life on this planet, we are gonna need a hell of a lot of “good” in our lives to distract us from this fact.

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Anonymous (7) (@) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

ahahaha.. oh well then. :)

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

I think that our good and bad actions come from the lessons we are trying to teach ourselves.
As far as just being a bad person all around, most likely comes from serving the lower self too much.
Of course, if I commented on this question on another day, it would have a different answer.
Come to think of it, all my comments and the comments of others would also be different.
O.O

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

It’s like hot and cold. The same thing. Hot and cold are just varying degrees of temperature. Hot and cold can be both productive and destructive. Same goes with good and bad. With good and bad though, our idea of it is not actually what it is. We gave it the definitions they have due to our lack of understanding of it.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

Good and evil are often compared to light and darkness. They are not polar opposites, they just appear that way. Darkness is an absence of light, not a thing in and of itself.

So I would say bad traits are a display of an absence of something good (lack of compassion, patience, tolerance, perseverance, faith, joy…)

From our current perspective of reality, it appears there is no way around the spectrum of things, always a gradation of degrees between one state and the other…

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Tine (366) (@tine) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

to me, good and bad are ‘bad’ terms, bc like with ‘love’, they are relative to the individual’s perception. where one might find something ‘bad’ bc of their personal accumulation of knowledge + experience, another with a different set of experiences may be think differently,

the way i frame this instead is with the words, [builder], [destroyer]. so to translate that to what you are asking, someone that is ‘bad’ is someone whose actions have a negative or destructive cause//effect on their or others’ realities, and someone who is ‘good’ has a positive or building cause//effect,

destroyers have a hard time learning to be good because they are in love with their destruction, and even if this love affair ends, they are still aware that love once existed between the self and the abyss of self destruction, that point of fire and madness. so, destroyers have a hard time because they are too aware of what they can do in contrast to what they should be doing,

in the end, the destroyer has to see that their behavior is a choice, and they need to accept personal responsibility for their actions once this awareness hits…. most cant do this, and instead lie to themselves about why they do the things they do, and never learn

but if the destroying can see the truth, and accept that from this point they are responsible, and feel the pain they deserve instead of looking for everything they can to bury it,

then the path towards the middle can happen, and the middle, balance is bliss, and once the middle is achieved you will see the destroyer knowledge, combined with the builder that you have added to balance you,

is a gift.

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Anonymous (7) (@) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

damn. :)

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Tine (366) (@tine) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

=)

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Mookie (0) (@JAM3520) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

Yes.

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smukelo (0) (@kidsnitcher) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

Good is an undefinable concept, it gradually changes with a persons favouring or benefiting from what you do, let put it this way we all bad in the eyes of the individuals who are negatively affected by what we do, but simultaneously we may be good to others who are judging us by that same occurrence or action, for example if iam a warrior who fight in the interest of protecting your country, the people from your country will perceive you as a good person who fight for good and who wants to keep the country in peace but it only their good and peace, what about the opposite side that you kill in reserving of that peace they obviously perceive you as bad..so it they is no good and no bad the way I see it, they are only points of observing, it depends which point of observing you at for you to cast good and bad in people.

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ceruleanswim (59) (@ceruleanswim) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

I don’t think any of us have a conclusive answer, and I share your interest in these deep wonderings. I’m sharing where I’ve come to at the topic at this point, but who knows…?

I think that the good/bad dichotomy is relative to the human state, in that certain that things are good or bad in relation to our needs in our circumstance… but the overarching Cosmos, Universe, Continuum, etc… is probably more neutral, containing both and yet being neither.

More practically, in my own life, I find that the good/bad dichotomy expresses itself rather like a garden. If you prune the weeds – work to let go of or at least not feed negative thoughts and desires – then they will not develop. Feed instead the flowers and fruits – the aspects of yourself you know to be greater – and you will cultivate your best flourishing self. I think that this polarity of good/bad is always at play, and so it is a consistent practice to cultivate the garden of the self.

Do you like this metaphor, or is it too out there? Perhaps one has to be a gardening nerd ;-) …

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Anonymous (7) (@) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

i think most of the answers i’ve got here has a valid point. although i gotta ask you; what about morality? can a really bad person have a change of heart based on a compassionate situation with someone? to become good on their own, free of society’s pressure to be good? does being bad have it’s benefits? does the ignorance and intolerance of others create an animosity in others, that it invites more negativity than necessary? does responding in kindness in someone’s unacceptable behavior makes them believe you’re tolerant of being treated like shit?

have ya ever heard of the halo effect?

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ceruleanswim (59) (@ceruleanswim) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

Well, I think it depends on what you believe the nature of morality is. Is it something universal, like a law of nature? Is it something universal within all of humanity? Or is it something we must build together, in each society, as best we can? It’s a tough question that I certainly don’t have the answer for… my own inclination is that it’s a bit of the last two combined

I wonder if a person is ever really just bad or good. I think that we all have the seed of both in us, however small. I believe that everyone can change, but this might just be hope and optimism. Or naiveté. I do think if anything can soften a cold heart it is the emotion of compassion – or gratitude. I think being good/bad has to be apart from societal pressures to be authentic. It’s internal and personal.

Hmm, does being bad have it’s benefits? It depends on what “bad” is. Going against societal norms can be perceived as “bad” while actually, I think, be liberating and sometimes more just or right or whatever. Acting selfishly/to the detriment of others probably has a lot of benefits in a darwinian or machiavellian way, but I don’t think it benefits the spirit or like real inner self at all – this is just my intuition. who knows?

To the “does responding in kindness in someone’s unacceptable behavior makes them believe you’re tolerant of being treated like shit?” I’d say there’s a difference between remaining a kind person and not mirroring their action, and being “nice” allowing this kind of behavior to go unchallenged. There’s got to be a way to assert defiance to “unacceptable behavior” with out engaging in it in turn.

what’s the halo effect?

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khandero (532) (@khandero) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

the oneness, the void :)

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Alex Eastman (71) (@alex) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

Depends on the morals of the observer. Bad is generally considered harmful to others, i.e. killing, raping, stealing, etc. Good is generally considered helping people, or at least not harming them.

Many people have bad childhoods and are more likely to be violent and “bad” to others. This is semi-permanent usually, unless they have a psychological disease. I’m sure we’ve all heard of the ex-convict saving someone’s life or doing some other heroic deed.
I think we all have a little bad in us, if not a lot. Everyone wants to hurt someone somehow, whether it be an ex or a bully, or the weird kid in class.

So, in general: No, we all have bad in us for the first question, usually (except in certain cases) for the second question.

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Adam (118) (@moonglade) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

Moral absolutism does not exist in individuals. The idea that there is good and evil can be contested too. Good only exists because there is evil to contrast it. If there was nothing labeled as evil we would not be able to perceive good. And because good and evil are idea/concepts the fact that we cannot perceive them means that they are no longer real. In fact they never existed in the first place.

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