What should our government regulate?

AndSoTheySay (@jalenx) 8 years, 10 months ago

With all this talk of the legalization of marijuana and the legalization of gay marriage in some states I got to thinking about what our government should and shouldn’t be able to regulate. Many people may not agree with my opinion, but I think all drugs should be legal. Not only do I think all drugs should be legal, I think that anything that a citizen of the United States does that does not have a direct, negative impact on another citizen should not be infringed upon by our government. What gives one person the right to tell another who they can and can’t marry? Who are we to tell each other what we can and can’t smoke, inject, huff, inhale or do whatever we want to our bodies. I’m sure there are some flaws in my opinion, but I just think that our government has too much say in our personal lives. If I want to live in a way that you deem “unnatural”, why should you have the power to stop me? If I want to throw my life away with heavy drug use, why must my government act as a parent by arresting and persecuting me for doing so.
How free are we?

February 4, 2013 at 9:40 pm
dr. hamsa (42) (@s7221919) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

The government should only regulate things that are proven to do more harm then good, like guns.

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Afgoo (23) (@afgoo) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

I also agree about the drug legalization because then we could openly and more easily rehabilitate these people instead of locking them up. Unfortunately, sometimes people “huff” and “puff” weird substances which cause them to neglect their kids or kill someone. This is when people start to become scared and call for regulation. Fortunately, though, drugs like marijuana don’t seem to make people kill each other, although it might make a parent become very lazy. But hey! Can we punish everyone for the unfortunate actions of a parent, etc? I mean if they’re going to ignore their kids for drugs, they probably weren’t going to do the best job to begin with. Who knows, lots of questions, hypocrisies, and paradoxes in this world that lately have become overwhelming for me.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

I don’t think any person should infringe on the free will of another person, however thats just ideal and wouldn’t work the way I imagine in my brain. For example, laws. In my ideal world, there would be none, because it is an infringement on free will, and some of them are just ridiculous. But without them, what would actually happen is chaos. People don’t have enough common morals everywhere to ‘fend for themselves’

Say all governments in the world collapsed right now. We’d be in anarchy. Eventually though, groups (or we could call them gangs..whats the difference?) would naturally form. Leaders would naturally form too, because resources will never be distributed equally. Ever. It’s so beyond impossible. We’d have government without calling it government, and you know what? It would probably be way worse than what we have now. The system is abused, definitely, but I think its a constant work-in-progress. Eventually maybe technology will relieve some of the power from the government itself.

Personally, I think the best idea would be to have government for world trade, but leave things local. Banks- ONLY local. Food- ONLY local. Schooling- Iffy? If people invested more into their community than a country as a whole, we would prosper much more.

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AndSoTheySay (2) (@jalenx) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, I somewhat agree with you. Our government is a constant work in progress, but I think we are arguing about the wrong things. In my opinion things have gotten so fucked up that I wouldn’t know where to start to fix things, and completely starting over or living in complete anarchy aren’t ideal alternatives.
If people divided into small communities, it would only be a matter of time before one community joined up or made an alliance with another, and another, and another. I think that power will always drive people to create a large government.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@jalenx, If the governments of the world collapsed, people with with certain occupations would continue to uphold their positions, I’m sure. At least the honest ones. (police, farmers, doctors, firefighters etc.) The general populous would continue doing what they normally do outside of work, because they wouldn’t know what else to do, or have the ambition. They would go into already broken in stores and take what they need until they were gone and relied on the farmer again. The biggest difference in this world is that war and money instantly vanish. The quality of food would go up too! Sure, people would still fight and die, but that won’t be on a very large scale anymore. The threat of not having a structured police would inspire and force the general people everywhere to act with morality on issues such as theft, murder, etc. In a sense, the people would become its own ‘police force’ This modern world forces people to appreciate one another in a very direct way. You all rely on each other. A world free of money, and power.

That, or complete fucking chaos. :)

The issue is, is that only fucked up people want that power. An honest farmer is fine making food for his people his whole life. A doctor is happy to save a patients life. A firefighter is glad he saved the pets and put the fire out. Who is happy telling everyone what to do? Whoever they are, they surely can’t be an honest person, can they?

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yoinkie (1,498)C (@yoinkie) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@jalenx, so many flaws, every single way you look at it.. Lets say they legalized Meth(just an example, use any drug), are you saying allow the free sale of it? If so, there would be large scale gang wars in every city in every corner. Every person who currently sells or wants to sell will be fighting teeth and nails for every street corner.

Or maybe you want the government to control the sales, much like tobacco and liqor(which defeats your original purpose, where you want the govt. to have less control). How many people would be happy with that? If your brother or mother died from an overdose, and you went to complain, they would laugh and send you away saying you use products under your own risks. Just like alcohol or tobacco.

Or maybe you want the third option, the privatization of Meth. Corporations making billions more off selling meth to anyne willing to buy who is 18 and above. And im sure we would all love the “Buy Meth” commercials, billboards, online ads and everything you can think of. And lets not forget the legal meth bars they would open. Would you like taking your kid for a walk next to a meth bar?

Replace Meth with any drug you can think of; crack, cocaine, heroine, pain pills, etc. Marijuana should and is getting legal because it should have never been made illegal in the first place. Greedy men made that happen. Everything else deserves laws. Hope you understand the major flaws in this logic.

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

The only thing tax money should be used for is
1. Free education
2. Protect the environment
3. Moral foundation for violent laws

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@yoinkie, Meth is legal, its a prescription drug…

And making meth legal would reduce gang wars, unless you consider big pharma a gang, and pharmacies street corners..?

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yoinkie (1,498)C (@yoinkie) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, Was just using meth as an example to represent all illegal-esque drugs, except Marijuana. And yes, I would think Pharma would become the biggest “gang” you could say.

As far as your list…so who should pay for Defence/security, Social Security, medical aid, veteran/retiree grants, Transportation infrastructure and science and medical research? This appears to be a common problem with the new age people who want change. Instead of approaching things from a viable standpoint(like reducing Defense and Social Security by over 50%, researching more where these government grants are paid, how much and to whom, and putting more money into science, transportatin etc.), people just say, “the system doesnt work! Lets break it all down and start fresh!”

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@yoinkie, Oh, I forgot to add science and medical research.

The rest is an illusion of progression, and unnecessary in the future.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, snow removal, post service, firefighters, etc?

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Matt P (16) (@mkp843) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

What a loaded question…..

A government should only try to create heavon on earth and include as many differnt perspectives and opinions as possible…. and most importantly should avoid tryanny at all costs…

Kinda sounds cheesy but I wanted to sum it all up real quick…

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Matt P (16) (@mkp843) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

My system would be like this……

There would be money… and taxes… Which were actually spent on society and not bullshit..

Like education, research, research, and research… science of course..

I like to see a world where all the babies had that ‘my baby can read’ program (as an example)… where shit like that was studied and priortized, so society actually advanced. How to optimize our food… like giving chickens better food so they were loaded with omega six’s…

Not really sure how I feel about private property…… I kinda just believe that technical issues would unfold respectfully and peacefully as long as the imporant things like education, infrastructure and economics were all done with good morals…..

I believe lack of opportunity is why ppl commit crime…. majority of the time anyway so that should be good….

I’m sure there are better ideas out there but I hope you get my point.

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, could not be done without government?

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pat (169) (@epath) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

Let’s not regulate food, let people die if the manufacturers and farmers want to poison us. Because, hey, that is freedom. Let’s not regulate the airline industry, because it is more important that they make money than that we are safe. Let’s not regulate the pharmacy industry because who cares if our kids die from poisonous medicines. Let’s make sure the banks can screw us out of the rest of our money, too. Please note sarcasm.

But marijuana? Regulate it, sure, but don’t make it illegal.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@jalenx, No, they don’t have enough say in our lives. If you think about how they teach math, science, English and history, what they don’t teach is self-control. There is a logical way to educate people on moderation, addiction and simply the benefits of behaving considerately, but religion takes possession of ethics and everyone is structured according to that cultural conditioning, which often includes establishing prejudice.
People need and education and cultural influence that establishes free-thinking, and that is where the government does not have enough influence in providing. All the regulations they are pumping out are simply a result of failing to communicate the urgency for an indipendant and rational style of thinking.

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Christian (3) (@logicalliberty) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

I agree, it sucks…

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, Education can’t be done without a government? We are doomed.

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Mr Green (0) (@mrgreen) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

I agree with what you are saying. I find it immoral that i am told what i can’t do by an institution who knows me not by face or name. No human being has the right to tell another what they cannot do, but unfortuneatly the world is not run on morality.

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Alex (141)M (@alexishungry) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, What about military spending?

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@alexishungry, I think the point is, is that war is unnecessary, therefore so is military spending.

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Alex (141)M (@alexishungry) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@jalenx, I agree with you, but I don’t think all drugs should be legalized. Just ones that won’t put others in danger. i.e. we can’t just legalize PCP and have people running around trying to pick fights with toddlers or attacking semi-trucks or something.

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Alex (141)M (@alexishungry) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, Until you can get the rest of the world to agree on that, eliminating military spending is suicide.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@alexishungry, Well I hope this conversation is about ALL governments, and not just our own.

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Alex (141)M (@alexishungry) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, Okay, my bad for assuming we were talking about just one. But regardless, we can’t just pretend war will go away. It’s human nature to have disputes and that’s the way a lot of people settle things, sadly. But that’s a whole ‘nother topic than government regulations.

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