When people say “we are the universe observing itself”

flapjack (@flapjack) 10 years, 6 months ago

Bare with me for I am not a good writer.

From reading the book "The way of zen" from Alan Watts I got a deeper understanding of that title phrase. All your thoughts are spontaneous and the illusion that they are deliberate is like the illusion of self. The self does not exist and the point of deliberation does not exist. Thoughts arise and that is all. This makes me think that we are not so much different from the way of thinking of animals and they are not so different from plants and all of these are not so different from the spontaneous acts of the universe. We are not as divided from everything as we conventionally like to think.

I’ve heard the phrase "we are the universe observing iteself" before but after really thinking about it in this way I see that we are literally the universe, observing, the universe. There is a phrase is true from a scientfic point of view, it is more awesome from a zen understanding.

Don’t resist your spontaneous nature.

March 18, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Nick (195) (@nickc2007) 10 years, 6 months ago ago

Oh hells yeah man! When you realise that your thoughts, your personality, everything you thought was ‘YOU’ is just a part of the process of the universe, and you did very little (if anything) to control any of it, it’s a real head trip!

It’s my favourite way of saying fuck you to anyone who goes on about the size of the universe and how insignificant we are. OF COURSE we’re insignificant when you look at everything in existence…THAT’S EVERYTHING IN EXISTENCE! We matter to us and those around us, and that’s B-E-A-youtiful!

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flapjack (2) (@flapjack) 10 years, 6 months ago ago

Being significant or insignificant is just an abstraction of the mind. Yes we are insignificant to the universe, but only in our minds where the concepts happen and not in reality. I haven’t realized this through feeling yet, but I understand it conventionally to a point. We ARE the universe. We are not significant nor insignificant. We just are. Those terms are just dividing things that are spontaneously happening with one another.

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Nick (195) (@nickc2007) 10 years, 6 months ago ago

Hmm, agree with this feeling/understanding thing. Have heard people on this board and plenty of other places say they had the experience of literally being everything. I’d say I understand it, but have never truly felt it.

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flapjack (2) (@flapjack) 10 years, 6 months ago ago

It’s funny too because to find it you can not seek it and too seek it you will not find it and to try and not seek it you will not find it, until you realize that it is ok to try and not seek it and to seek it, not resisting them both. There is alot of paradox this. x]

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Nick (195) (@nickc2007) 10 years, 6 months ago ago

Don’t you find it quite incredible that we’re now at that stage of evolution where we’re learning to NOT trust our own nervous systems? If you take a step back and think about that from a more cosmic, less human, viewpoint, that really is quite an achievement, to accept that the apparatus with which we interpret absolutely everything is fundamentally flawed, and figuring out how to deal with it through studies of psychology and meditation…that’s a BIG step!

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flapjack (2) (@flapjack) 10 years, 6 months ago ago

I don’t know what the whole world is doing as whole. Some people trust their nervous systems and others don’t. I think it’s incredible that trusting yourself to be (nervous system included) creates so many vibrations in your life. I don’t know if you ment “NOT” to trust your own nervous system, but I don’t think that’s beneficial.

Fundamentally we are not flawed. We are conditionally flawed.

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Nick (195) (@nickc2007) 10 years, 6 months ago ago

I’m talking about all this ego death stuff. Certainly it’s still the minority, but it’s a rapidly increasing number. Is convincing ourselves to be more selfless the next step? Frankly it must be.

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flapjack (2) (@flapjack) 10 years, 6 months ago ago

That would be amazing sir :] Unfortunatley the only people I know that get this stuff are on the internet.

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Nick (195) (@nickc2007) 10 years, 6 months ago ago

A lot of folks on this board seem to be saying this, that they don’t know anyone else who’s interested in this stuff. I can’t say any of my friends are anywhere near as obsessed with it as I, but by chatting about it I know that many of them are now more aware that they control their highs and lows, and are interested in the ‘you create your own reality idea’. Everyone NEEDS to take these conversations into the real world.

Raves are the best place to start.

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Euro (7) (@intellectualblasphemy) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

As Timothy Leary said “trust your nervous system”, but I’d like to change it to:
“Trust the essence of the universe (if you can grasp that concept), not how you were conditioned to think”
Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hW6Dm_m5t4&t=6m0s

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

It’s a phrase that sounds cool so people use it.

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Cody (472) (@versai) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@spaceghost, “There is a phrase is true from a scientfic point of view, it is more awesome from a zen understanding.”
If you understood it from the higher perspective you’d appreciate the idea enough not to necro-troll it.

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

No one possesses the power of the whole universe. You are only a certain part of humanity experiencing and observing itself. The universe – no, we’re not able to do that. There’s striving for sure. We can’t fully observe our oceans yet, and some people’s inability to care for themselves and others will prevent them to be able to understand they can switch their perspective at will… We’re also not all one because that’s the idea behind religious and political constitutions, and without striving we wouldn’t have imagination and without imagination we wouldn’t have knowledge, to bounce and reflect from a conscious system of atoms to another. It’s fair to say we’re experiencing what helps and poisons our lives. That should be enough basis to know we’re actually thinking differently from animals, except when we’re primitive, possessing the power to think of more ways to survive and grow without much sacrifice, bloodshed and slavery, but we’re still pretty stupid.

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

Yea but how can anyone ever know if they actually understand something, or are just completely sure they understand it? wtf is a necro-troll?

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Cody (472) (@versai) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

Well you’re right we probably don’t understand anything completely, especially the universe. But observing it is the best strategy we have to try.

Its a compound word. To necro a thread is to resurrect an old, dead topic, and I’m sure you know what a troll is. Combine the terms, you get a necro-troll–resurrecting old threads with unnecessary, derailing input.

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

No topic is ever dead and I think my input was not derailing, and that necessary/unnecessary is completely an opinion

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Cody (472) (@versai) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

Fair enough

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Michael (1) (@Mcaristi) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

Brings a whole new meaning to the song “Eyes of the World” by the Grateful Dead.
“Wake up to find that you are the eyes of the world.”

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Ellie (1,363)M (@tangledupinplaid21) 8 years ago ago

@Mcaristi, hell yes!!!! One of the most beautiful songs in existence.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 8 years ago ago

Well, you could say a rock is the universe observing itself as well. Since space and time are relative aspects of reality, in physics, basically all matter is in contact with all other matter. So anything physical can be seen as a microcosm of the whole.

“Too see the world in a grain of sand…” as William Blake once said:

http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/blake/to_see_world.html

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