Where and in what ways, Do you find hope with a logical approach to life?

Phate (@phate) 9 years, 5 months ago

i have a very logical and scientfic approach to life, with some acceptions to things i simply can not deny that i have seen or done.however i am struggling with the thought and process in achieving hope or faith if you will. not so much in a god of sorts but just faith in life. so i ask you this: in what ways do you find hope or faith in life, having a scientific or logical reasoned approach on life?
your opinons are greatly appriciated!
-Phate-

January 27, 2013 at 11:08 am
Graschi (62) (@graschi) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@phate,

To be honest, the only reason I am alive is because I want to give other people a chance. A chance to simply live and do whatever they like. My ultimate dream is to be in a society where people understand one another. And I want to help in that progress through my books and deeds.

I struggle every single day in order to be able to open a school for orphans and poor children in countries, where they haven’t been given the chance. And in some years I’ll open a big and sustainable community school with a back-yard full of vegetables, animals, fruits and fields in co-operation with others. A place where you can study and research/explore whatever you want for free. I promise you it will happen. Just wait for it! ;-)

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a Lotus Blossoms. (140) (@ancientmystic) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@phate, I find hope in the human race. I find hope in myself, that even though I stumble and falter, I have the ability to raise myself up again, and thus so do you and everyone else.

I find hope in that human history is not a linear progression, that we are not living in the ‘best’ society or paradigm that there ever was, or that there ever will be. I find hope in the feeling in my gut that it is darkest before the dawn, that enough people are awakening to be the change that they wish in the world.

I do not find faith in much, except love perhaps. I am faithful to my love and I have faith that it will last.

But I do not find faith necessary to be hopeful, happy, and to maintain a peace of mind.

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Phate (5) (@phate) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@graschi
so i understand you dream, now how do you attain the hope or faith that it WILL indeed happen? what do you do to have the hope you have that you will be able to do these things for these people. how do you attain your hope everyday?

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a Lotus Blossoms. (140) (@ancientmystic) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@graschi, That is a beautiful vision man, and I wish you the best of luck in this. I know it will happen too. :)

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Phate (5) (@phate) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@sympan,

i like your response. in some ways i have been trying to find hope in the same ways that you have. i am now having trouble atttaining faith thru these hopes if that make any sense, because they are to inconsistant in my life and the things around me.

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Phate (5) (@phate) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@graschi,
and please dont think i was at all criticizing your dream. best of luck to you, and it is great to see someone doing so much for others in a world that does so little for its self.

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Graschi (62) (@graschi) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@phate, I’m trying my best everyday, Phate. And whenever I lose the motivation I just remind myself of why I do it and why I have to continue doing it. Of course, it could all fall down to the earth, but i’m sure if I work and fight hard enough it’ll happen! :)

@ancientmystic, Thanks, dude. You are welcome when it happens!

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Healing Chime Audio (107) (@healingchime) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@phate, “i have a very logical and scientfic approach to life”

This indicates that you think you are the mind. A mind can have a logical approach to life. But you are life. No need for approach. We imagine that we approach life, as if we have much control of life at all. none of us chose to be born.

No need for hope – that is just delayed fulfillment. You are the fulfillment itself. no need for anything in the mind at all. Cut it all away and find what is left. This is the way of the saints, the enlightened beings, the Christs, the Buddhas, the holy ones, the masters, the truly alive.

The truth is that you are the life. Beyond the rattling of the mind, (we call it heart sometimes) is the you that has never had a single thought. The watcher, the seeing, and the seer are an awareness, that if you want, you cannot have. But you can be them. You already are perfect, whole, unencumbered awareness. No approach changes the fact that you are that.

We can toss around surface ideas for ever, or we can go deep. I am the depths that are your own self, you projecting an experiencer, and experience of a screen with words and a projected person typing on the other end. Without you, none of this would appear. Who could you be?

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Anonymous (359) (@) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@healingchime, This was very helpful for me. I have been meditating all day on this type of idea, struggling to really inhabit it and find the peace like I have before. It’s so hard to get it back sometimes. I can understand this concept, but I don’t know what to DO with my beingness. I cannot find the truth and balance between doing and being. I can’t tell what of my desires are my true self and what are born out of attachments and controlling needs of mind/ego. I even wonder if it matters at all. I wonder- As long as I know the truth, shouldn’t I just follow my instincts, even if they are born out of attachments to outcomes? I don’t know, but I really enjoyed your response :)

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Anonymous (177) (@) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@phate, you pose the question: “…in what ways do you find hope or faith in life, having a scientific or logical reasoned approach on life?” I find hope or faith in life in realization that scientific and logical reasoning is not life(Truth) or anywhere near it. In fact, the closer I wish to get to “life” the more learning I dump – a reversion, so to speak. You want to know what life is about? What Truth is? Do you? Consider: take time to contemplate, remember and reflect upon that time in your present existence when you were a young child – say ages 3-5 or 6. Most likely, when you woke-up each day all you “knew” was that there now opened to you another opportunity for adventure and carefree play. There was no planning, just being in each moment as it unfolded into the next and whatever there was that occupied them all. You did not analyze anything. If you came to a tree and could grab the first branch you climbed it – you did not sketch out a plan on paper or the computer as to how to climb it, what branches to grab with which hand in which order. Get it? Peace, Love & Light ~ ricky

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Edward Bernays (131) (@edwardbernays) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@phate, I find faith in the unknowns in life. The unexplainable. The unanswerable. I don’t look to find answers here, or analyze that which cannot be answered or analyzed. This gives me peace.

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Healing Chime Audio (107) (@healingchime) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@edwardbernays, me too, peace from accepting the unknowable is freeing and settles well

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Healing Chime Audio (107) (@healingchime) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@anjelica, you are right. The one who struggles is just an idea. What helps is to drop every idea of what you are and simply be. Trust the universe to take care of your daily expression and know in your heart that if you fully know and accept yourself, you will be at peace.

I find the recordings of mooji, (mooji.org) to be very helpful contemplations on these same topics. If you can come to ground zero, you are the bliss itself. Then life is not about doing or not doing, but about being!

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Afgoo (23) (@afgoo) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

My logical approach to “hope” and “faith” is that through evolution people can be monitored and proven by their brain to be happier under certain circumstances. So logically if I can appease the human needs of others I can make them happier as well as myself. Logically my faith lies in the fact that it is possible to make people happier and if I can live a life of making others feel better and myself feel better that is all the hope I need.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@phate, “in what ways do you find hope or faith in life, having a scientific or logical reasoned approach on life?”

I don’t.

Hope and faith are worthless. They’re for the blind fools only. A reasonable person does not seek hope or faith.
Faith is the bane of knowledge and awareness. Hope is the devourer of reason and emotion.

They’re useless and unnecessary, you don’t need those things.

Just focus and cheer the fuck up. Relying on toxic mindforms for good vibes is unnecessary, if you stay grounded and positive you won’t ever feel a need for any of that nonsense.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 9 years, 5 months ago ago

@phate, The goal of logic is to find the most appropriate behaviour and the optimal benefit. This is by applying what makes most sense to you in your deeds, this is limited by each our understanding but at any given time that your action is required you must do your best to conform with what makes most sense to you, with that aim of optimal benefit and appropriate behaviour.
The faith in logic, its reward, is that when you do this and succeed, the benefits are the reward, but when you fail, the error is justifiable, at least to yourself, because the intent you had always remained in the spirit of attaining the optimal benefit and appropriate behaviour. Psychological balance is protected in this way and understanding is expanded.

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