Where are the discussions?

 EFW (@EarthFireWater)6 years, 5 months ago

Three years ago was when I first found HE. The focus in the early days was discussion, ideas and argument. That was HE 2.0, we are 3 version onwards and the majority of the front page of HE is filled with pictures of quotes, videos and external links.

Where are the Hethens? The ideas people, the provocateurs, Sasho, Manimal, Martijn, the other people providing comment?

January 18, 2015 at 5:40 pm
Filip (2,818)M (@filipek) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

I think most of the old HEthens have moved on with their lives. Maybe the current site structure is not conducive to stimulating discussions. The focus has changed on other content, whereas in older HE versions discussions were front page material (from what I remember).

Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

I’m still here. I just don’t post as much because, like you said, there’s not many discussions worth reading or commenting on these days. I think Sasho got sick of this place and left, or Martijn arbitrarily banned him again.
A lot of the older users are still around, but we mostly talk via pm because we’ve given up on the discussion boards.

Discussions used to go like 30 pages, with lots of different people commenting each others’ input, rating each others’ posts, and there was a wide diversity of perspectives and most of them were very articulate and elaborate.
Now, a discussion rarely goes for more than two pages… and most of the posts are just short statements addressed to the OP only. I think most people who post don’t even read the other people’s posts.

And they all have the exact same opinions and beliefs.

I’m pretty sure the design of the website is the problem. I like that they’re trying to go their own way with the design, but god damn this new layout is downright stupid.
2.0 was great, 3.0 was pretty good too. This is not.

EFW (57) (@EarthFireWater) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

It may have something to do with the fact that now (i’ve just checked: https://www.highexistence.com/people ) there are less than 10,000 active members. Which is strange because I believe one of the big talking points at some point was reaching ‘over 50,000’ members – must have been bots. Evil, evil, bots.

Filip (2,818)M (@filipek) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

this is very odd, @martijn, @jordan,

Anonymous (328) (@) 6 years, 4 months ago ago

awoooo…. heheh.

sian (109) (@siantastic) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

There used to be an effort from moderators and the community to prevent repetition. I don’t know if it was down to high levels of posts, or the period of time where there seemed to be absolutely no moderation, but people stopped doing it for the most part. so older members are probably bored, and new members probably get bored pretty quick too once they see the same thing a few times. Most of the useful threads are older, which puts people off commenting, so the good stuff just continues to get a few likes here and there, with no more discussion.

As a mostly mobile user the new website is terrible to navigate and I am rarely able to sign in. So there’s that too.

satoaus (6) (@satoaus) 6 years, 4 months ago ago

I loved reading all the discussions but these days I have to do a search to get some interesting reading. The pics, videos and articles are ok but nothing like human minds throwing ideas around.

LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 6 years, 4 months ago ago

Sasho is a troll and an ass lol…he was put in his place here. Maybe he woke up a bit, but I doubt it.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 6 years, 4 months ago ago

The fuck? Do you even know what trolling is?

Disagreeing does not mean he’s an ass or a troll. Just because he doesn’t want to join your circle jerk doesn’t mean he’s some kind of bad guy.
I like Sasho, a lot of people do. Those who understood him seemed to like him, and he had a lot of friends on this site. People who can’t take a joke or a different perspective… well there’s bound to be a lot of friction.

I see a lot of people from this site still talk to Sasho. If he was a troll or an ass, that wouldn’t be the case.

As for the “put in his place” part… lol wat? Nothing like that ever happened. Martijn tried to, but failed completely over and over, HE got put in his place. It was rather hilarious.
Sasho’s been talking about moving on for a long time, this place has gone downhill and he’s but one of many who got sick and tired of it and left.

It’s pathetic to slander someone who isn’t here to talk back.
You are the ass. That goes for both of you.

Martijn Schirp (112,780)A (@martijn) 6 years, 4 months ago ago

Yeah, I did fail on Sasho, and I am sad I did. But I am glad I didn’t fail the people who he kept abusing over and over again. I am happy he moved on, HE had nothing to offer him anymore.

LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 6 years, 2 months ago ago

I know what a troll is…after all you are still here. You and your friends bitterness is not my fault. Sasho did nothing but attack me when I made posts to things he had no knowledge of. I don’t do circle jerks, but all you millions of
sasho followers can do as ya’ll will. I am a kind heart’ed person, and I see my flaws when I can, but I refuse to bow to any trolls…anywhere. I’m not here on HE to serve you. I’m here for truth seekers and not for bitter trolls. What I may have said after he left is no less than what I told him when he was active here, so believe in your disillusion all that you want to and keep trolling.

Anonymous (2) (@) 6 years, 4 months ago ago

the more you discuss the more ideas are dissolved. the site was really good for that process but there isn’t much here for afterwords, except relationships you create through discussion. you just have to go apply whatever you learned

Martijn Schirp (112,780)A (@martijn) 6 years, 4 months ago ago

Exactly. Seriously, most of the HEthens get it, who truly understand what we are about, don’t stay longer than 3 months or so (unless they are a moderator.) It certainly has to do with the structure of the site, but it is also about plugging out. Many people deleted their facebook etc, went travelling, and then announced that HE had to go too. From a business standpoint, this is suicide, but I am honestly happy for them.

paul_g (21) (@paulg) 6 years, 2 months ago ago

Hey – I wouldn’t be so bold as to count myself to the ones who really contributed to a lasting culture of serious discussions in the old days. But this site has been very important for me in the past, and I had much loved its discussions when I was active 3-4 years ago. So, on a quite personal note, I found this site when I was not sure where I was going in my life. Exchanging thoughts openly with strangers, under the cover of anonymity and thus confidentiality was extremely helpful.

I agree with what anjelica and Martijn said, that one can gather strength, energy, ones senses and inner currents here without prejudice, and then move on afterwards. For me, it in the next step however wasn’t “unplugging”, but rather throwing myself at ‘real life’ to the fullest. I’ve seen, learn, and done the most miraculous stuff, and grown more than I’d have imagined. HE was an important part of getting that started.

I’d also always liked both taking/asking for advice here, and giving, when I thought I had s.th. to contribute to other HEthens. Today, I tend to more accompany real life friends who have tough times with much more intensity, and that also takes much more time effort than jotting down an opinion to someone you won’t know for a long time, and for whom it’s a brief impulse. I’m not saying one is better or worse!, but just that my preferences, or even only habits, have changed; and a similar story holds for seeking advice. But now, re-touching base, I’m still extremely happy this site is here. Brings back lots of memories and feelings.

Plus, for the record: I just scrolled through the current discussions, and it doesn’t sound too different to the old times to me, actually :D I’m surprised that there seem to be considerably fewer posts per day, but I think the quality of the topics are quite comparable.

Take care everyone :)

Anonymous (328) (@) 6 years, 2 months ago ago

What is up with you guys and your affixation for the “old times”. There was no such thing, it’s just a bias you guys had since you were “the first cool kids in the secret club.” It just so happens that back then all you guys had no choice but to be friendly to each other, even so fakely, to grow the community. Now that we’ve had a lot of more people post with different perspectives, all of a sudden the site is dead? That just means that reality has struck this “bubble” you guys had back then. Things are changing fast. From the motto of “Discuss life” to “Rehashed blog posts”.

-comment provider

Anonymous (0) (@) 6 years, 2 months ago ago

Right on, change is inevitable, so quit whining, and post what you want, and create your desired discussion!

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