Who else doesn't necessarily believe in the Illuminati?

 Zykanthos (@chodebalm)6 years, 9 months ago

Shit, I used to believe they existed. Let me tell you why I no longer do:

There’s no proof.

There’s no proof either way, actually. Believing in the Illuminati and other conspiracies is merely a new ideology that one adopts. It’s just a choice. People who believe in the Illuminati believe in them usually because of one of the following reasons:

– They’ve watched many YouTube videos about the Rothschilds, the banking system, the military industrial complex, the media, the music industry, symbolism, etc.
– They’ve read articles on websites. Examples include: godlikeproductions, infowars, or beforeitsnews.

People think these websites are the truth, when in reality, they’re each just as much of a news organization as any other news outlet; the only difference is that they adhere to a different set of belief systems.

The problem is, as I said, people accept them as truth simply because it’s an alternative way of seeing things as opposed to the way most things are portrayed through the mainstream media. And this alternative information, when discovered, is completely contrary to everything you learned growing up and throughout your life up until that point.

Of course there are lies and manipulation and disinformation in the mainstream media, but all of those things are present in these alternative news sources as well.

At the end of the day, you have to make a choice in what you want to believe in. Either you believe everything is a coincidence, or nothing is a coincidence. It’s very easy to believe in a hidden hand behind the curtain that controls things. People WANT to believe that there is order in life. It’s not convenient to believe things happen at random and are chaotic. It also deflects responsibility and the uncomfortable possibility that we brought our own damn selves to the fucked up state of affairs we’re in now. Therein lies the reason for people’s belief in the Illuminati.

However, it doesn’t take a formal conspiracy for things to go the way they’re going in the world today. In fact, it’s probably more detrimental to society to wholeheartedly believe in one thing and turn a blind eye to other things. Instead, the best thing to do with alternative information and views is to simply accept them as possibilities, and just accept that you don’t know for certain.

I used to be a huge conspiracy theorist, but over the course of time, I’ve come to accept that my views, as much as I used to SWEAR they were true, have no basis any more or less reliable than the views other people have. I have no first-hand knowledge or experience of these things; I only have what other people have shown me. I only have what I’ve read and watched on the internet.

I’ll end it with this: I have no way of truly knowing whether the Illuminati are real or not. They could be. Or they may not be. I realize, I too, am adhering to a certain belief system by choosing not to wholeheartedly believe in them. It is a decision in itself to accept things like this as possibilities rather than absolute facts. But by doing so, you leave yourself open to other truths or possibilities, rather than only believing in one thing and denying another.

Thoughts?

September 26, 2013 at 11:12 am
josephm (772) (@josephm) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

i believe in the pull that money has, and the congressmen’s anonymity who generally control what that money does

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Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

@josephm, Money itself doesn’t have pull. Money is nothing in and of itself. It’s people’s love of money that causes the problems. Also, there’s really no anonymity regarding who controls the money supply. It’s no secret that the central banks control the interest rate and the printing of money, which ultimately determines the price of goods and services. Then again, the value of the dollar is also largely dependent on oil, which is why it’s called the petrodollar, and this of course brings in the topic of the military industrial complex along with it. Indeed, it does all seem like it’s one big interwoven scheme. And perhaps it is. It certainly looks that way, but couldn’t it just be coincidence that it has all come together this way over time? Or does it really mean this was all planned from the get-go? That’s where personal choice in belief comes in.

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

@chodebalm, people with the most money(currency, assets, wealth ) are undocumented and pulling string’s from their island in the sun

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Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

@josephm, Interesting viewpoint, brother.

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averagejoe (37) (@gimmesomesalt) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

@chodebalm, great post. I too got big into conspiracy theory, when I had my “awakening”. My dad was always watching conspiracy theory videos on Youtube about aliens and the Illuminati, and when I sort of had the realization that everything I’ve been taught to regard as truth wasn’t necessarily truth, I opened up to the conspiracy theories. For awhile it consumed me, but after a few months I started to see the same pattern in all those videos.

They show you something that is terribly wrong with the world, then they show you examples suspicious activity by “the powers at be”, then they tie it all together in some convoluted, pseudoscientific way that kind of makes sense to lead you to believe it.

You’re right, in the end people will choose to believe what they wanna believe. It’s easier for people to believe some ultra-powerful organization is behind the curtain pulling these strings, because it gives people an excuse to lay the blame away from themselves.

Really, all these problems with the entertainment industry, with the banking system, with governments, etc. are the fault of all individuals as a collective. We can’t accept the responsibility, because it’s fucking scary to know the woes of this world is all of our faults, and that if we want anything to change we have to stand up and change, first ourselves then the world. So we give away the responsibility to some secretive collective of world leaders and thus give away our power to do anything.

I don’t mind alternative information sources, I actually love that people challenge the status quo…but some of these conspiracy theories just enable people to become paranoid lunatics who let fear run their lives. They’re no better than the “sheeple” they flame in Youtube comments. It’s sad to see, from an outside perspective.

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

@chodebalm, public information is a pool of watered down bullshit with backdoor’s, and snake’s and ladder’s and shit. anything we think we know, anything on the internet, can easily be manipulated through $. /wool over eye’s, /all hail martial law

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Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

@gimmesomesalt, Wow, that was very well said, bro. Excellent points. I couldn’t agree more, and I hope people read what you said and understand that it’s ultimately up to us as individuals to change things, just as it was our fault for getting ourselves into this situation in the first place.

@josephm, Definitely agree. That’s another reason why it’s best not to wholeheartedly accept what we read and hear.

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Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

@smileymoon, Oh you’re definitely right about people being greedy. People are indeed selfish, greedy, and motivated by money and materialistic things. We can see how many problems this has created in our world.

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

trust no one and experience experience.

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Martijn Schirp (112,777)A (@martijn) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

The concept of a group of people able to control something so vast and complex as the earth with all its inhabitants, rituals, perspectives, ideologies and technologies always seemed rather silly to me.

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

@martijn, classification rather then group imo… people with out rule’s id call it

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Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

@martijn, Over the course of time, this what I started to believe as well.

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Fernando (68) (@fercgomes) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

@chodebalm,
Finally. Someone with senses.
Just to imagine that not so much time ago I was kinda paranoid with this Illuminati thing, I guess High Existence saved me, haha. Well, here is my thoughts.

Believing in Illuminati is pretty much like believing in a religion, you never saw them, people only talk about them, but you believe they control your life. As I said in some topics around here, what keeps people away from realizing their potential as enlightened beings is that they grow up believing that this esoteric thing is ‘dark’, just some crazy folks believing in some crazy shit, while high, sometimes. So they grasp to the idea that there is something controlling them, so as you said, they want to believe there is some order behind everything. It may have some order behind our behavior, the current scientific theories we have so far succeed to explain a portion of life, but they fail to explain it as a whole (General relativity and Quantum theory), and one of the questions about a theory of everything that could exist, is that if it would rule human behavior too, but so far we still believe that we have free will, because we can’t explain our actions (that’s the main reason we came with the idea of good and bad). But anyways, most of these people that share these Illuminati thing on Youtube, they pretty much led by their egos, they just wan’t to feel that they’re some sort of teachers, leading the humanity to peace, by sharing ‘The Truth’. Most of them are still led by the religious concept of ‘demons’, like if they were out there, that’s why many videos are just spotting ‘satanic symbols’. I have some theories about how these conspiracy theories got so famous:

1) Profiting on Youtube – People without knowledge fall into these ‘attractive titles’ about ‘The Truth’ and that’s very lucrative to the uploaders.

2) I am pretty much sure that the music industry throws these signs on videoclips and lyrics just to tease people, so they keep watching and it keeps trending (hell yeah profiting, no one buys CD’s nowadays, they need to keep the wheel spinning)

3) People’s fear as I explained above. They believe in something because believing in themselves seems to take so much effort (lol?)

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Anonymous (68) (@) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

@martijn, not silly… retarded lol

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

true evil exist’s

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Martijn Schirp (112,777)A (@martijn) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

@bono95zg, I understand what you are trying to say, but I actually don’t agree. I believe there are is some ideological trap at play with people who believe in conspiracy theories. It is a kind of fatalism ‘I can’t do anything about my life because outside forces (in this case illuminati) prevent me from doing it – therefore I won’t even have to try’.

Now, why I won’t call these people retarded is the fact that if we put them in such a category, we distance ourselves from them and imply that something similar won’t ever happen to us. I think that is arrogance – we have it – we just don’t see it as such.

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Anonymous (2) (@) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

What if you are in denial?…oh wait, you can’t be in denial because you smoke pot. *facepalm*

You guys are silly…

Also, it’s not the “illuminati”. I bet that if there really were an international Group of Gangster supremacists called the illuminati then you would say it’s the jews…

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Anonymous (2) (@) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

I cannot comprehend the ammount of effort it takes to be so tragically ignorant. :(

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Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

@truthlightlife, What? I’m not sure it that comment was directed at me or not, but I don’t smoke weed. Also, it has nothing to do with ignorance. It has everything to do with life experience and realizing you can’t know things like this with 100% certainty. It’s about accepting it as a possibility until you have irrefutable, undeniable evidence. We have no such thing. So you can either choose to believe it or don’t believe it, or neither and just accept the possibility of both.

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Anonymous (68) (@) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

@martijn, i just hate that type of thinking. most of the people is that why. they are just at different levels of it. god, illuminati…

i dont think there is a trap. its just the way people are. seriously. fail in logic. thats it. and they stop there and stick to it because it fits right. it is somewhat valid explanation in their heads. they dont grow. they can change but extremely slow. and you cant even help them. they are ignorant as fuck.

i dont hate them i just cant be with them. :P

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Anonymous (2) (@) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

@chodebalm, there is undeniable evidence, but it’s easier to pretend that ignorance intensifies your Intuition to the point at which you no longer need to analyze Information in order to dismiss it as falacious.

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

@chodebalm, I have written a new article that will be coming out this week or next about this very subject, and how the idea is so easy to stumble upon and adopt.

I’ll be ready for a storm of comments and criticism.

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eextreme (31) (@eextreme) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

The Illuminati exists……….in our head.

They could be a symbol that is part of everyones thought. But its is without doubt that secret organization and groups exist and their intent can be anything we can come up with. Nonetheless, we usually go with the idea that if we don’t experience, or remember something then it doesn’t exist or just conspiracies. Then, you have a idea of what the technologies we have today can do (MIB memory eraser anyone?) and then all sorts of assumptions and possibilities come. You look into that possibilities and then it leads you into more possibilities. A cycle that never ends but keeps you interested, almost like a living story without an ending.

Still at the end of the day, its a form of entertainment to keep you occupied and you got no where. But bit by bit it builds up until you have a clear idea of what is happening then theses organizations have no choice but to reveal themselves (e.g NSA) but we keep on living our ordinary lives and make the best of it.

As a result, the only thing that is worth to be updated on is all the new technologies and sciences that the world is coming up with and wonder how they could be done better and let Karma and the universal forces expose all the evils in the world bit by bit.

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Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

@truthlightlife, Show me the undeniable evidence. And I don’t mean the videos on YouTube. I’ve seen them all. I’ve also read countless articles about it. So again, show me something I haven’t read or seen. And before you show me it, make sure it contains definitive, irrefutible proof. Or else don’t bother.

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Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

@eextreme, Exactly. They exist if you believe they do, because really it’s just a construct in your head you use to describe and give reason to the events that happen in the world. That’s why I used to believe in the illuminati unquestionably. In my mind, it was the justification and reason for the ways of the world, and I would swear by it and swear they were real. My belief was so strong that I would find reasons to support their existence. To me, they truly existed, all because I believed they did. And it’s the same for anyone who DOESN’T believe they exist – you can find countless reasons to support your belief that they don’t exist.

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