Who is ready for something beyond this site?

Brian Chaos (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 10 months ago

I am a big fan of this site. It is one the most advanced think tanks on the web that I know of.

And it is absolutely true that whatever the mind dwells upon, the mind becomes, and whatever the mind becomes, you become.

However, there is always a higher level, and that is where I want to go.

Beyond pure idealism, beyond dreaming, beyond experimentation of drugs and good vibes and mere positive affirmation.

I want to go to the true promise land, or perhaps more accurately, I want to bring the promise land to me.

I have acquired the knowledge necessary to do so. It was a long arduous journey, but the master key has finally been revealed to me.

There is only one thing missing in my life which is to find a person with whom I can share this master key.

I know there has to be at least one person on this site who feels the way I do and if you do… PM me, and let’s get down to business.

Truly Yours,
Brian Chaos

October 9, 2014 at 6:23 pm

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Share it with all of us. Y U SO GREEDY

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Unfortunately, this isn’t the type of thing that can be “shared” because the path to higher levels of self is always ultimately a personal struggle and an individual quest.

That is one thing that I still think many on this site still don’t quite understand, it’s something certainly that took me a while to understand.

There are already hundreds of people in history who have shared the secret through the story of their lives and successes, so if you want to know the fastest path to understanding, it will come through studying certain people lives.

I am tempted to name some examples, but I fear the topic of this thread which is very important to me will degrade into a foolish bickering and arguing over some of the names I would list.

YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

You said you wanted to share. This is a scam! Really though, I think a lot of people here know that the path to “enlightenment” is through ones self. Everyone is on that journey whether they realize it or not. Name names. This site has NEVER degraded into foolish bickering or my name isn’t Sasho/Marlon/Beyond Earth.

Anonymous (17) (@) 7 years, 10 months ago ago
Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Okay then here is the list. It is by no means complete, but within the lives of each person listed are examples of true virtue and human greatness existing in the real world. All these individuals share in common the characteristic that they were in touch with the Master Key, and generally the higher on the list the more consistently and potently they possessed this quality.

Historical Examples:
Jesus Christ
Gautama Buddha
Julius Caesar
Leonardo Da Vinci
Lao Tzu
William Shakespeare
Isaac Newton
Immanuel Kant
Rene Descartes
Christopher Columbus
Martin Luther
Benjamin Franklin
George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
Abraham Lincoln
Thomas Edison
Napoleon Bonaparte
Mahatma Gandhi
Albert Einstein
Leonhard Euler
Gottfried Leibniz

Here is a list of slightly lesser people who are more contemporary some will definitely end up belonging to the first list but only time will tell:
Henry Ford
Walt Disney
Steve Jobs
Teddy Roosevelt
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Winston Churchill
James Watt
Pablo Picasso
Vincent Van Gogh
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
Ludwig van Beethoven
Martin Luther King Jr.
Napoleon Hill
Charles Darwin
Carl Jung
Sigmund Freud
Jigoro Kano
Carl Friedrich Gauss
Stan Lee
Jerry Siegel

Here are even more examples which are particularly culturally relevant. To say some of these people have “true virtue and human greatness” is a stretch. But they have exemplified they understand the Master Key to a degree although many of them will fade out of memory entirely as time passes:
Oprah Winfrey
Elon Musk
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Jay Z
J.K. Rowling
Beyonce Knowles
Robin Williams
Jim Carrey
Johnny Carson
Muhammed Ali
Michael Jordan
Peyton Manning
Barack Obama
Bill Clinton
Marilyn Monroe
Andy Warhol
Kanye West
Quentin Tarantino
Alfred Hitchcock
Ingmar Bergman
Stanley Kubrick
Richard McDonald
Michael Jackson
Kurt Cobain
Elvis Presley
John Pemberton

Now I have given you a list. Whether you bicker about it or not is out of my hands. I am only interested in attracting those who understand what I have said.

Anonymous (17) (@) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Definitely people who have influenced the world in one way or another and continue to do so, and they have a place in history for different contributions to humanity. Just like many more not included… I don’t think you need permission to speak your mind by the way. You are mainly sharing the concept behind “The Secret”, which also includes a lot of these names. Although, most of these names are used for selling a product.

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

I agree with what you have said, but what those people have done doesn’t matter nearly as much as to what you and I are doing. We are made of exactly the same thing they are. Therefore, we have every bit as much potential to be as great as any of them if not even greater (Jesus and the Buddha are debatable exceptions). Those who I wish to attract, not only understand the truth of this, but have a burning desire to achieve it. Because whether you know it or not, and no matter what anyone has told you in your life @BeyondEarth has the potential to be on one of those lists if he or she truly desires.

I have not read “The Secret” but my impression is that it is a watered down version of much better texts, which I would also be willing to list if you desire.

Anonymous (17) (@) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

I know this is all inspiring and I don’t disagree with your point, but you can only be yourself. I’ve read “The World As I See It” by Einstein just yesterday, actually, and his views really appealed to me. Take a peek:

“A man’s value to the community depends primarily on how far his feelings, thoughts, and actions are directed towards promoting the good of his fellows.

We call him good or bad according to how he stands in this matter. It looks at first sight as if our estimate of a man depended entirely on his social qualities.

And yet such an attitude would be wrong. It is clear that all the valuable things, material, spiritual, and moral, which we receive from society can be traced back through countless generations to certain creative individuals. The use of fire, the cultivation of edible plants, the steam engine–each was discovered by one man.

Only the individual can think, and thereby create new values for society–nay, even set up new moral standards to which the life of the community conforms. Without creative, independently thinking and judging personalities the upward development of society is as unthinkable as the development of the individual personality without the nourishing soil of the community.”

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

I don’t intend to uplift and inspire. Those who understand what I say have already used up that faculty (which runs out pretty quickly I might add).

There are much stronger forces within you which allow one to become all they can be, and you have them whether you accept it or not.

The quote you stated is very good and gets to the heart of the Master Key.

If you (@BeyondEarth) have not found the Master Key it isn’t a lack of knowledge that’s for sure. It is either a lack of drive, lack of belief, or perhaps even more likely a fear of criticism and failure.

Anonymous (17) (@) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

I get it, but I don’t want to be in a list. I mean, it’s nice to be appreciated for your efforts, but that’s why I said you can only be yourself. I mean, I can only be important to my family and friends. If I write a poem, create an invention and more than one person uses it for their benefit it’s going to be more than just mine. I think it’s healthy to have such perspective. But to act and do things just to make it in a list doesn’t appeal to me. I think it’s great to strive to become something bigger than yourself, but you can easily lose yourself if you’re focused on the gravity of people’s opinion about you. We learn while we’re living… I don’t think I fear anything anymore. I ran out of fucks. Minus ∞.

How you doin’?

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

I agree 100% with what you are saying here.

The interesting thing about what you said is that almost every single person on the list didn’t live their lives trying to be on any list, not even a list of notable people of their day.

I am not suggesting that you give up your family and friends for mere ambition. If lusting after historical significance was your only drive you would certainly not end up on the list of geniuses and you would instead end up among of the infamous and the warped many of whom are on another list of people who murdered a great genius.

But, to hide behind the lack of desire for fame as a way to ultimately remain in mediocrity is no noble cause either, and I’m not saying you are doing that. For all I know you are practicing genius as thoroughly Edison and Da Vinci combined!

But, if you aren’t what is stopping you?

Greatness is born out of the everyday. It is born out of people and situations that appear to be of no significance when they are just starting out, and only later after much change and inspiration has transpired does anyone look back and see why this or that thing ended up making such a difference.

And if you ran out of fucks then you are definitely at the point where there is nothing left except to become the greatest thing @BeyondEarth could possibly be.

That’s taking the seering burn in Fight Club, that’s bottom, and there is only one direction to head after that.

slowly (3) (@slowly) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

PS I suggest you look into artists and poets more, as in what they say in interviews more than what others say about them… you may find some simplicity that can be an applied clarity.

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I have studied many artists and poets. Many of the greatest are mysterious because the creation of genius art is nearly always a sort of mystical experience.

slowly (3) (@slowly) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

take out “art” in your last sentence, and that would be a part of why it is hard to define the guidelines for what you’re looking for unless you pour your genius into it. Its alive, and maybe that’s who you’re looking to find at first.

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

What I am looking for is actually everywhere. Every single person, whether they are on this site or not has the “capacity” for genius, as high a genius as Da Vinci or Edison or anyone you can name.

However, the amount of people that have the necessary habits of thinking and behavior to get in touch with that genius is extremely small, and as I’ve said in this thread most of those who have are in high places that are almost impossible to reach.

There are bound to be latent geniuses, or emerging geniuses who are still on this social plane and it is those I am looking for.

slowly (3) (@slowly) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I understand, but consider refining your purpose and mission as the way to weed out misinterpretations.

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I could make those improvements now, but only after seeing the results of this thread.

Although in general, it’s very hard to craft a proper “elevator speech” about something or someone really creative before it/they have achieved wide social recognition.

slowly (3) (@slowly) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I just wanted to point out what I noticed may come up counter productive out of curiosity really.

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I’m not sure I understand what you mean here

slowly (3) (@slowly) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

you tend to exclude more than include. It is easy to relate, but hard to envision what your aim is.

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

My current personal aim is to find like-mined people that I can relate to.

My global aim is utilize my talents and to help others utilize their talents to move the world forward to a higher state.

That is not a vague notion for me, I have definite direction for what I believe that higher state to be and a definite tactic to bring the world there, however it would be extremely ineffective to discuss it with anyone who is not on or at least close to my level.

I have already said quite a bit about it across this thread.

It is not a master plan, it is not an intricate plan it is a simple plan, so simple that if I said it you would think it’s not very significant, but the idea can be summarized as this:

The world will advance as far as the quantity and quality of the geniuses leading it. Therefore, to change the world each person should seek to bring their own genius to the highest state possible and assist others in bringing their genius to the highest state possible.

But, even that rather simple explanation isn’t adequately simple enough, for the message to be truly powerful it must be simplified without any of its essence being removed.

slowly (3) (@slowly) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I like this. I’m not very articulate with words, but I can really get behind this message because it hits home. What I feel I am called for is to illustrate possibilities to envision imaginations of one’s genius, and to create empathy among people to allow for described assistance.
Thank you for this. I don’t even know why.
I mostly work with challenges of human mind being pulled by simulcra of pseudo messages. The mental environment is getting inventive, it is high impact, high stimulation on human psyche, I notice the same language is being used, so I aim to restore authenticity, overpass the psychedelic (as in high-simulation hyper reality in messages in ads and society).

slowly (3) (@slowly) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I don’t have stuff yet, I’m barely started and it may take a year to develop a body of work that allows me to maintain practice and put out more.

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Well this sounds exactly like the type of approach that needs to be pursued.

I usually shy away from trying to convey a “message” in my work to me that would get in the way of true inspiration.

The way I see it is, if you are truly expressing yourself and you feel you are at a high level, then necessary something good is going to be conveyed through whatever you create.

slowly (3) (@slowly) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I’m just a mystical creation to channel the grand human experience.

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Yes, that’s a perfect attitude!

Except, remove the word “just” because you are not “just” anything.

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

It’s a message that resonates with every honest person, because it gets to the very core of why human beings exist.

Form and function must meet perfectly for the message to be maximally powerful.

What I just did was I told you the message, but to speak of genius in such an ordinary way is only as powerful as the imagination of the reader.

The message is most powerful in the form of a person or their work who is actively in the “higher state” that I describe.

Therefore the message I just wrote is of no importance when dealing with anyone who is not already actively pursuing their genius.

The message that will move the world forward will be not speak what it is, but it will be what it speaks.

slowly (3) (@slowly) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Don’t know why you felt the need to let me know this part then.

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

To save you the trouble of telling someone who isn’t ready about it and then seeing the deadpan face of disinterest they will show you.

Ellie (1,363)M (@tangledupinplaid21) 7 years, 10 months ago ago


YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

<3 I’m just glad Sasho took it as intended and gave a brilliant response.

Kapil Gupta MD (41)C (@KapilGupta) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

The road to enlightenment is not through but BEYOND one’s self. The YOU that you think you are has been created by yourself.

YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

@KapilGupta You have to go THROUGH yourself though to get beyond it. I agree with what someone else already said in this thread. I know nothing. I can’t speak for others, only myself. The only battle I ever face is with myself. What does that mean? I don’t know. I feel. I feel life. I feel happy. I feel sad. I am an emotional being, riding the waves that come and go, trying to influence what wave I ride.

Optimystic (26) (@optimystic) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

“Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I’ll meet you there.”

jjj (32) (@crackedout6pack) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

I’ll meet YOU at the lighthouse my friend.

Anonymous (17) (@) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

There is always a lighthouse, there’s always a man, there’s always a city.

Kris (328) (@kjbaran) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

I HIGHLY recommend reading through The Message of the Divine Illiad by Walter Russell


Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Thank you @kjbaran for this recommendation.

I have read the first few pages and skimmed a bit more and I can say whoever wrote this book understood a good deal about the Master Key, though how much I can’t say.

It’s possible this text is something of a higher level than anything I’ve read or it is a muddled version of other more potent texts.

In order for me to know for sure I would need to be on a higher level than I am now and I would need to more thoroughly investigate it.

But, it is definitely on the right track, especially in its descriptions of genius.

However, this interchange gets to my overall point.

You could recommend me this text, I could recommend you that text. I could recommend you study this person’s life, you could recommend I study that person’s life.

And our knowledge keeps getting higher and higher and more and more vast and hopefully also more focused, BUT at a certain point enough is enough, and the searching for the answers is just a way of hiding from the real challenges. And it is only through those real challenges that we can enhance ourselves.

I could go on and on answering these questions for a long time, trust me, a long time, like a really really long time. But, that’s not what I came here to do. I came here to find someone who is about more than talking and learning. And if someone like that is out there I want to know!

jjj (32) (@crackedout6pack) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

First and foremost, how are you going to know if anyone here is about more than talking and learning, if all we do on this site is talk and learn with each other?

Secondly, you definitely said you would share this Master Key of yours. I’m quite interested to know how you can share the master key, if you can’t give it to someone else.. I just don’t get that bit.

I know you’re really not up for this, but maybe you are.. After all, you are writing here. Give me some detail on what you mean by ‘challenges’
Is that just everyday life? Is that everyday mind problems??
If you can’t explain it I can accept that.

You just have to understand I’m a little skeptical of you and all this wisdom you’re talking, so if you could just say something a little different, or at least a little more brutal and to the point about what it is exactly you are looking for, or looking to teach us all, could you do that??


Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

I think some of the confusion of my original intention stems from how I used the word “share”

I didn’t mean share in the sense that I can break you off a piece of the Master Key and give it to you, I wish I could but in my experience such an effort is futile.

I meant it in the sense that I am looking for someone who has found their Master Key and we would share in the sense of form a bond. So, I’m not looking to teach anybody anything. You are all students in your own right and many of you are doing great. I’m looking for the student who is ready to graduate from this specific form of learning.

I don’t know if such a person exists on this site. The only way I could possibly know is to put up this thread, keep it going for as long as possible and see if it turns up any results, which is exactly what I am doing.

Skepticism is healthy, you should be skeptical of me. But, even if I degrade into the most despicable creature on Earth tomorrow, that wouldn’t change the fact that if I have said anything that is Truth it will remain Truth.

You are asking me about “challenges” and what I mean when I say: “it is only through those real challenges that we can enhance ourselves.”

This site is filled with plenty of examples of such challenges.

Here are a few:
1. Challenging our notions of consciousness by doing something that will temporarily alter our minds and then reflecting upon what we have learned about our minds and applying it toward a practical end.
2. Attempting to accomplish something that we deeply desire, but currently believe is beyond our capacity and talent
3. Eliminating a negative habit or influence in our lives which we know doesn’t serve our benefit, but allows us a sense of safety and security and facing all the necessary pain and struggle that comes with the separation process.
4. Allowing ourselves to believe in something that we were previously skeptical of and attempting to apply our new faith toward a definite end.
5. Conceiving of a higher physical form or more vibrant personality for ourselves and making definite efforts towards attaining it.

These are a few concrete examples. I think this site is all about these type of challenges, but there is an inertia which is apparent on this very thread which is limiting some of the members of this site from going the extra mile and fully completing some of their challenges. This is a natural, normal thing, and often the only way to overcome it is through sheer determination and a burning desire to transcend whatever the limits are that one is facing.

There isn’t some kind of special wisdom I possess, everything I know can be found in studying the lives of the people in the list I mentioned. It can be found studying a small portion of that list. It can be found not studying the lives of anyone on the list and only studying something as specific as the American Chinese Food Industry or cloud formation patterns or the qualities of laughter that different girls possess. It doesn’t matter what you study, it only matters how you study it.

The Truth exists universally in everything so if you look deep enough at grains of sand on the beach you will discover the same Truth that exists by studying the teachings of Jesus.

However, because of our human limitations, it is most convenient and realistic to study the lives of great people to understand how to be great yourself and how to live the fullest richest life you can.

I am still only beginning on my path toward the fully realizing the greatness in me, which by the way is the same greatness that also exists in you. But, I have reached the point in my journey where I am making an intensive search to find others who have reached the point where I am.
I am doing this for two reasons:

1. It’s lonely otherwise
2. We progress much faster if we work in harmony with one another

jjj (32) (@crackedout6pack) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

NOW I get what you’re talking about.

How do you know that there aren’t people among us here who are pretty well advanced on their journey?

I would certainly say most of these people are actually pretty damn wise and at peace with themselves and everything. Well, what I mean to say is that I’m sure a fair few of the people who have commented on this have found their own personal Master Keys as you put it, and so therefore are very much ready and willing to share that bond with you.

I don’t know about all of them here, but in whichever way they have chosen to express it, I see a lot of wisdom on this thread and in a lot of others.

I personally feel like I have found my own Master Key, and I am certainly taking steps to grasping it and turning it in the lock more and more each day.
I don’t think that speaking like Jesus or Lao Tzu is actually gonna get me anywhere. I’ve already had a couple experiences with cognitive dissonance and it’s something I’m finding a little fun right now!

So I guess what I’m trying to say is that I think you’ll find that your loneliness is your own problem, and every single person on this site or around you is exactly there to help you progress as fast as possible.

This sounds like something you might say.

That’s why talking on this site is kinda futile, cos we all just go around repeating the same old shit over and over again.
If only we just listened to it for once..

So why don’t you expand and tell us all what point you are at, so that some of us who are at the same stage can reveal themselves and decide where to go from there?

When you speak about inertia and a lot of limiting factors that you’re reading people putting down on the site.. I think that’s very much part and parcel of what this site is about.
When I write things down, I’m hearing myself talking.
I know exactly what the answer to the questions I’m asking are, from my perspective. When I write on here, I read myself back, and it’s obvious how much of a fool I look like, people always read what I say and make their own judgements, as I do of other people.. But like Rusty Clouds said the other day on another thread, when he wrote down those questions he was just talking to himself.

This whole thing is like a venting ground for me at least.. I write, and as I’m writing, I’m very much aware of all the things I’m saying, that if I was super man, would be totally different.
I don’t think I’d use this site if I wasn’t pretty much addicted to more and more knowledge.
I dunno about you.. I see myself in what you’re saying. I just think you’re not going to find anyone who is just like you. Who’s at the same stage. You are SO not going to find that person here.
I don’t think they exist anywhere.

This site will only disappoint you if you think you’re going to find your perfect fit.
I reckon it’s probably a big fat illusion of your own too.

I’m guilty of it.

So anyway, do please tell me where you are at, because I’m sure there are a lot more than one who are at a very similar level.

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Thank you for very thoughtful reply.

Many of the things you’ve said are probably right.

Let me respond to each individually.

1. There are people who have posted in this very thread who have discovered their own master keys

As I said to @BeyondEarth, “For all I know you are practicing genius as thoroughly Edison and Da Vinci combined!” Certainly the rec that @kjbaran gave me is a clear demonstration that there are people on here on a very high level. I absolutely wouldn’t doubt it if you said that you have found your Master Key.

My initial question in the thread was essentially “Who here has found their Master Key?”

However, the main reason I doubt you have or that anyone who has posted on here has is because everyone thus far has put forth some level of skepticism and a notion that there is no such thing as “Master Key.” Considering that a major portion of the master key involves having faith and firmly tested assurance that you do indeed possess it, I find it unlikely such replies are coming from people who have reached that level (@kjbaran is perhaps an exception). How far off each of you are I don’t know? As I said to @BeyondEarth he doesn’t seem like he lacking knowledge, but it’s definitely about more than knowledge. This isn’t a PhD we’re talking about here.

2. Speaking like Jesus or Lao Tzu won’t get you there

I agree 100%, but how high a level and how individuated a level do you understand the meaning of things they said?

3. My loneliness is my own problem

Yes I agree with this 100%. The path to the top is always a lonely one, and as far as I can tell at the top it can be the loneliest of all.

4. I think this site is people repeating shit over and over again.

I definitely do not think that. I think this site is a great place to discover new ideas and communicate with others who are higher minded than the average. But, are you going to debate me on the fact that much of it is indefinite in its purpose and there is a lot of aimlessness and even pessimism about the meaning of life and the true potential of each and every one of us.

And I don’t even fault it for that. I still think its great, but at a certain point you know certain things are true and the search becomes more of a mission and that is the point I’ve reached. I have many goals and aspirations that I hope to achieve in my life, I am particularly focused on one at the moment and it is through my struggle with this goal (which is still yet achieved) that I have been forced to disregard impractical metaphysical notions and figure out what type of thinking really works to allow the human being to thrive.

5. This site is a venting ground and I’m expecting too much in looking for a perfect fit

Well if its a venting ground, or a sketchbook for exploratory thought then there is nothing wrong with that. No matter how high a level you get one needs to wrestle and play with the ideas that are still unclear, so anything at a higher level than this site if it were not a bullshit cult would still contain the same sort of stream of consciousness, Socratic dialogue dynamic.

As for me finding a “perfect fit” that is actually exactly what I know exists out there. It may not be exactly how I imagine it to be, but there is someone out there who would understand me and be able to communicate and connect with me on the level I desire. If I am truly on the highest of highest metaphysical levels this “person” would potentially need to manifest in spiritual form through my own consciousness but I seriously doubt I am on that high a level and I really think there is a living person out there who gets it.

Anonymous (17) (@) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

The truth is having faith is having a belief of no parallel, no evidence and no trace which is a little stronger than hope because it involves more than just an expectation. It gives a person enough confidence to actually act beyond ‘this site’, ‘this book’, ‘this dialogue’, this ‘age’ even. I agree with you on three things. Foremost that ‘it’s lonely otherwise’ even if you have knowledge and have found your faith in yourself that you have a metaphorical master key inside that makes you tic. Secondly, it’s true that a person on your level exists even if you’re discouraged by many. “Develop success from failures. Discouragement and failure are two of the surest stepping stones to success.” -Dale Carnegie; And thirdly, I was composing something while I was writing my previous posts on this thread. I’m getting my vibes from myself so that’s basically my master key. Thanks for creating this discussion, it’s a sure mind-opener. :) Although, do you have an idea what are you going to do next after finding that person? That’s the way I think, whatever goal I create for myself, there’s no end to anything and whatever I was looking for is usually something I’d keep looking at and always keeping my mind “fed”. That way no strong emotion is avoided or exaggerated, but used practically. Am I making sense? Of course knowledge isn’t enough, all the knowledge we need is going to be discovered if we start listening to our own gut and native curiosity.

“Speaking like Jesus or Lao Tzu won’t get you there”

How about playing like a rock star? We’re all in the same boat. It’s healthy to be skeptical too because a lot of people aren’t used to read between the lines to actually understand some types of knowledge. It’s surely gathered and piled up, but understood? And conversations like this are like a different language to some people.

Here’s a relevant song. Strive boldly.

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Yes you are making a lot of sense and I agree with everything you said here except for what you said about faith.

That notion of faith isn’t really faith, its superstition. True faith when mixed with intense desire is an invincible creative force which served as the recipe for every great achievement of man from the American Revolution to the development of modern mathematics to the application of our understanding of physical laws to master aviation.

There is one original thing I want to add which I just thought of in discussing this thread with a fellow advanced student of metaphysics, and I think it nicely encapulates the Master Key concept.

When I first heard about the Master Key was when I began to read “Think and Grow Rich” a year ago last May.

When I first heard Napoleon Hill’s description of the Master Key, I had no idea what he was talking about and I like many of you on this thread did, immediately thought that this was some secret knowledge that I was not aware of.

Now that I feel that I am possession of my master key I think I realize what it actually is and this is how I would describe it.

The Master Key is a concept, an archetype if you will that you must create your own meaning for. Much as when you are first introduced to the concept of ‘art’ as a child you don’t really know what to make of it and you begin associating various things with this idea of ‘art.’ As you grow and develop you refine and advance your understanding of this concept until eventually one day BOOM, you have given birth to ‘art’ yourself and now the concept has a new life and you are now in possession of art and have a level of mastery of art that was previously unknown to you.

This is what I think the Master Key is, it is a part of yourself that you must discover and it is discovered through the methods that I have suggested in studying people who have found their master key and through the stages of self mastery which occur by overcoming the challenges of self a few of which I previously described.

Perhaps to some of you this seems like a let down, but this is what I mean when I say the Master Key and I think it’s more than a feeling and perhaps even more than an idea. It is something of great substance and it is within all of us and it is part of our journey in life to find it and then use it to unlock our true potential and reach the highest heights that we can in our lifetime.

I’m not what sure to say beyond that. This thread has been a great experience for me, even though I may not have found “the person” I was looking for, in some ways I feel as though I’ve found something far greater in my further understanding what I mean when I say the Master Key so thank you to all who participated in this exploration.

jjj (32) (@crackedout6pack) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

well that was fun.
Nice song @BeyondEarth , for real.

Hear what you’re all saying.

I want to ask you what you got out of ‘Think and Grow Rich’ that felt like such a master key for you?

I realize that actually your opinion on the book, and my opinion on the book will most likely be very different and will have hit us in different ways..
What you are striving for is probably not what I’m striving for either.
So asking is fairly futile.

I think that’s my master key.. Disguised in a cloak of circumstance.

Anyway… Mine likes to hide itself behind smoke and mirrors, and requires a little rigorous determination to follow it down.

But yeah, thanks Brian Chaos, I appreciate your thread, now that I have heard your thoughts on it.

Do you think it would be helpful for us all to share our own Master Keys?

Might make quite a cool little flipbook or something.

We might all remember a couple things.

I am pretty sure mine is conscious presence, and disidentification with the mind, and ALL false notions of self.

The paradox is that with that, for some reason, has come the most unshakable feeling of solidity.. So now I find myself a little perplexed as to where this inner solidity actually roots itself. It would be such a shame to build something on the sand again for another 22 years.

So whilst I am certain I have found my master key, I still feel like there’s a couple other things around it that want solving.. Then again that could always be my mind’s fear of the unknown, tricking me into feeling this way.

Oh well. We’ll see how it goes.


That felt good. :)

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

“Think and Grow Rich” was the beginning of a long and intensive process of understanding the laws of faith and desire.

That book introduced me to this science which after much contemplation and self-experimentation I feel I have gained a true grasp on its laws. Laws which previously I unconsciously applied at times, but the true power of which I was often missing out on due to my ignorance.

I don’t think its possible for me to describe my Master Key. That is like asking me to describe God or Love. It’s an abstract archetype, and not one which has an obvious physical manifestation.

The best symbolic form of the principle I have ever encountered is in the book The Alchemist when the main character is given the plates of gold before heading to the pyramids. There are some other good examples in works by Herman Hesse.

jjj (32) (@crackedout6pack) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Right, well thanks Brian Chaos.

slowly (3) (@slowly) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

why do you think Hesse put those things there?
You really should pour all your heart into formulating your message, and see what is born of it. The who will follow from that, not from vague position search in a forum.

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Who says I am not?

Who says this is not a brick in the wall toward something greater?

slowly (3) (@slowly) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

there are no same-point-as-you staircase levels where someone else will also be standing on. Sometimes these briefly intersect in understanding, but creatures develop into own progression.

Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Wisdom is knowing you don’t know anything. There is no “key”. Just be where you are, in whatever state your in. Sit in your sadness, your job, your sorrow, your anger. Be there with it all. That’s all you have to do… so really, you don’t have to do anything.

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

This is only true if you follow it to its absolute extreme which would mean not doing anything to repress that impulse to take a sledgehammer to your bosses’ car.

And I doubt when that impulse comes @blankey you aren’t going to actively repress it.

There is definitely a “key” but it’s not a particular group of words or information in a particular book. It’s something you will find if your proceed far enough in your journey instead of running the hamster wheel of delusion like 98% of the population does.

Anonymous (17) (@) 7 years, 10 months ago ago
Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Ha good catch

Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Good catch? What? lol

jazzz (30) (@jazzz) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Wisdom is knowing you don’t know anything,
Enlightenment is knowing you don’t know anything and know everything.

jazzz (30) (@jazzz) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

and probably not but most likely not or not sure what not

Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

What is there to know?

Anonymous (17) (@) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

A very useful piece of wisdom to consider is that the saying “I know that I know nothing” is also something to be questioned. “Socrates uses argument not as a way to know but as a way not to know.” – Daniel Coffeen
You know?

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

“Unknowing” is definitely part of the path to genius and enlightenment, I agree with that and the teachings of anybody I would suggest would agree with that.

However, I thought we had already established that your knowledge was of a high level @BeyondEarth.

I have no doubt your have adequate knowledge to achieve anything you want, my doubt is that you know what you want to achieve and are actively working to achieve it.

Anonymous (17) (@) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

I change my mind about some and always leave my options open. I also have a strange sense of timeliness so if I know what I want to achieve and not think of it as already achieved I’d think of it as means to an end and I don’t like that.

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

That’s very interesting. I can relate to an extent, but that mentality can have a variety of positive or negative effects.

Positive affirmation when properly balanced with work and effort is a winning formula toward attaining higher levels.

However, positive affirmation without necessary the work and effort (this goes back my critique of New Age philosophy in my response to @jzic123) is not much more than emotional masturbation.

A timeless feeling is usually a good thing unless it stems from complete denial that ‘time’ is actually passing (for practical purposes I’m asserting the concept of time is true). In which case it is nothing more than a tranquilizing delusion.

Certainly though most of what needs to be achieved in our world has not been achieved. There are so many things that are in desperate need of applied creative thinking I don’t even know where to begin in listing them, though I will make a list if you desire.

Anonymous (17) (@) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

You mean things that have to be achieved by humanity as a whole? I haven’t really thought about that because to do so I’m going to have to consider that something is right for everyone. Plus, most, if not everyone, from the people you listed first had something very specific in common. They were all against their modern authoritative establishments.

I like what you said about the timeless feeling. I’ll need to put some more thought to it. I think you’re right about the emotional masturbation and the tranquilizing delusion.

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Good point, just about everyone on my list was against the order of their day in one way or another.

I don’t think there is any other way to be a genius other than to think beyond the world you belong to.

When I say there are things that need to be achieved, I didn’t mean something that every human being must achieve individually. I mean a limit or problem that the human race has not mastered.
These are so numerous its hard to even know where to begin to list them. However, I will create a list if you desire.

Anonymous (17) (@) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

I desire. I’m curious what’s on your mind.

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Here is a list of problems and topics would are in great need of applied creative thinking:

A more advanced mathematics which will allows us the basis to eventually include phenomenon of parapsychology and other evidence of the power of mind into science.

A theory of evolution which properly synthesizes the currently ignored laws of Lamarckian evolution with the mechanism of Darwinian evolution and modern genetics.

A new way to distribute music (and other digital media) which gives more incentive to people to buy their music rather than steal it.

The integration of a facility in our communities where people are allowed to vent their negative energy without hurting another person and be as insane and weird as they would like without judgement.

A completely new approach to schooling which encourages youth to develop their genius at a young age, invests less resources into rewarding regurgitation and more seamlessly integrates teenagers into the working world.

A universal cure for male pattern baldness.

An even more scientific approach perhaps even quantitative to utilizing subjective thought beyond New Thought or NLP.

An outsider’s comprehensive analysis of the strengths and weaknesses of capitalist systems NOT done by an indoctrinated economist.

Compelling and punctual biographies of almost everyone on the list of great people I mentioned. See “Lincoln the Unknown” by Dale Carnegie compared to the standard biography to understand what I mean.

An alternative way to explore the internet without social media (which I have attempted see futurechoes.com)

A revolution which will end the absurd economic inequality which has been in progression since the 1980’s.

Developing a way to better utilize the latent energy and materials in our trash and redistributing this energy back into our economic system.

A better way to integrate plants into and on the outside of buildings in cities, including plants that produce food.

A better way to prevent heat loss in our houses.

A better way than the solar panel to utilize the sun’s energy.

Okay these are a few, some of the later one’s are more open, but this is only 1/100000 of all the things that desperately need a genius mind to at least think about it not practically tackle.

Anonymous (17) (@) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

‘The integration of a facility in our communities where people are allowed to vent their negative energy without hurting another person and be as insane and weird as they would like without judgement.’

This. If people have more appropriate methods of letting their rage out, instead of being judged and measured how aggressive they can get the world would be a more considerate place to live in.

‘A completely new approach to schooling which encourages youth to develop their genius at a young age, invests less resources into rewarding regurgitation and more seamlessly integrates teenagers into the working world.’

I’m not sure what this is going to take to be achieved. Poor education is often blamed on the economy, whereas the internet provides the same knowledge for free without giving you a formal signature for experience stamped on a résumé. Predetermined careers never worked smoothly.

Anyhow, thanks for sharing your thoughts. You’re definitely not fooling around.

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

I am definitely not.

slowly (3) (@slowly) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

you can do all this alone.

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

There is no way I could all this alone.

That would take a dozen lifetimes, probably more.

slowly (3) (@slowly) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Makes more sense now why you’d post. What part is particularly only your part in this? You’re recruiting to end up in promise land, but why is it not being already there?

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I can’t tell you where my part ends.

That all depends how fast I progress, how fast the world progresses and how long I live.

Ultimately, those factors are not entirely within my control, so all I can do is do the part that I am doing at the moment as best I can.

slowly (3) (@slowly) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

you can influence people with your ideas.

slowly (3) (@slowly) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

“A better way to integrate plants into and on the outside of buildings in cities, including plants that produce food.”
I also really love this idea and its a part of what I want to explore in art. Monkey see monkey want, monkey do and monkeys follow.

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Yes I agree I can influence people.

At the moment my influence is limited, it will grow in time, but regardless of the extent of my influence, effective progress only comes from deeply inspiring the few, not weakly inspiring the mass.

Jesus is unarguably the most influential person in human history and yet he died having less than 12 true disciples to pass down his story.

That is why I seek only those who understand the Master Key.

You seem to be one of them.

slowly (3) (@slowly) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

well, majority of ‘master key’ holders died before their ideas got understood, let alone appreciated, but ideas/memes (as defined by mckenna) live and are to be found by “those who understand the Master Key”. I see that you’re approaching this differently because you want progress as in “The message that will move the world forward will be not speak what it is, but it will be what it speaks.”

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I’m not sure if it’s the majority, but there are many for sure.

For whatever reason I don’t believe I’ll die first.

But, if I die first, then so be it.

Without the typo I am saying:
“The message that will move the world forward will not speak what it is, it will be what it speaks.”

I realize that statement is almost riddle-like but it must be that way because words are only as powerful as the faith that the listener gives to them, and as your statement suggests, if you tell people what you are, they will not believe in you.

Most of the world still doesn’t believe in Jesus, and those that believe in Jesus don’t believe in the Buddha, and those that believe in the Buddha don’t believe in Muhammad, and those that believe in Muhammad will don’t believe in themselves.

But the world can’t move forward until people can believe in Jesus, the Buddha, Muhammad and themselves.

Anonymous (12) (@) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Agree. More people need this.

John (25) (@jzic123) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Constant conscious creation in the ever present now = the Master Key.

In life, there are no pre-set purposes, no requirements, no soul paths, no unavoidable situations. We have utter free will.

In other words, the ‘goal’ of life is to create with deep unconditional love in every single moment, ultimately arriving at the realization that you are “love” itself. Whether you are ‘creating’ a fine meal, creating joy in the life of others, or creating a masterpiece that will be revered for eons –the process is inherently the same – Thought. Word. Action.

We are the both the creators and the observers of our existence.

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

This statement represents a common fallacy that was introduced after the New Age movement was developed.

New Thought which is the highest philosophical school ever created (that is where @kjbaran ‘s rec came from btw, good rec) clearly outlines exactly how to achieve anything you can imagine and desire. But the catch is, it’s really difficult, and it’s a life-long struggle. Every single day, all your effort must be applied to your singular chosen purpose.

But it works, and the lives of all the people I listed is a testament to that, because all of them did exact that and that is why they achieved such great things in their lives. Most of them lived lives that were objectively fuller and better than all the mediocre people who simply went with the stream of things, and that is even true of Van Gogh who’s entire life was filled with poverty and rejection.

But most people couldn’t handle the truth that people like the Buddha and Jesus had been said for thousands of years ago which is that, “life is hard” in fact it’s hard whether you aspire to great things or not. It’s equally as hard whether you aspire to great things or not. But, most people can’t accept that. So the ideas of New Thought were given a new twist which is that all the hard effort could be removed but the positive thinking could stay and New Age thinking was born where great things could manifest without all the struggle.

Unfortunately, New Age thinking doesn’t work, and any success anyone of the New Age school ever had was brought by applying the ol’ time and true methods of New Thought or any other doctrine which advocates persistence, determination and holding to one’s faith during times of absolute hopeless and despair.

So, @jzic123 I appreciate the reply, but some of us really do have a clear goal in life. I have a specific goal in mind for this thread which is to find someone who also has a goal in life.

John (25) (@jzic123) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

@Brian.chaos I appreciate the thoughtful reply, and am thoroughly impressed by your commitment to this thread and the consistent replies you have been providing.

I can see how my comments came across as idealistic and a bit ‘fluffy’. As noted in in my post above creation always consists of three aspects, but clearly one stands above all others—Action—Conscious Action. The human (or rather Universal) creative process hinges on this.

Thought and Word are fantastic precursors and motivators of Action; however, they are essentially futile by themselves.

No doctor sits above a dying patient and just yells out positive affirmations. He cuts the patient open and tries his best to save a ‘physical’ life.

I stated that the ‘Master Key’ is creation. I still believe this to be true, and I think based on your reply you are in at least partial agreement.

You mention that ‘Life is hard’. I suppose that depends on your definition of ‘Life’. I think a more accurate mantra is ‘Life is Everything’ or ‘Life always is’ or even ‘We are life’. I think ‘Life is hard’ is only an applicable mantra when applied to ‘past’ and ‘future’ occurrences, and even more so, when applied to your perspective/anticipation of past and future occurrences.

Maybe we disagree here; but, I don’t believe in time. I believe an ever-present, eternal ‘Now’ (See ‘Conversations with God’ for a nice discussion on this)

This is evident every night when look into the sky. Each night you are literally looking at the ‘past’, knowing damn well that you are looking at objects that are hundreds of millions of years old (or older). Time is a function of distance.

So within this ever-present ‘Now’ – there are only two options (see anything Eckhart Tolle has written) – accept your circumstances, or change your circumstances. There is nothing ‘Hard’ about your circumstances unless you are actively judging a past moment, because within the ‘Now’; there is no possibility of judgment, only action (or non-action).

A bit of tangent but, ultimately, I don’t believe in struggle. I believe in action. Which leads to creation, which leads to….whatever you decide.

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Thank you for clarifying your point @jzic123
I apologize if I was dismissive, but I definitely wanted to get the distinction between “impotent positivity” and “effective persistent thought and action” on the table and your post seemed to crack that door wide open.

Now that you have clarified what you have said, I think I was wrong in my judgement and projecting on to you a sense of impotence of thinking that so many of the past who used similar terms of your first post.

I am in total agreement with your statements on action, though ironically in many cases a person’s life may be saved through changing their thinking rather than through physical intervention (though that is a whole other matter and certainly doesn’t change the overall point).

I agree with you that time doesn’t exist at least as we understand it to, but for practical purposes and to be able to have a common language with the world at all it can’t be totally disregarded. I do however, think that the concept of ‘age’ needs to be at least thoroughly revised if not disregarded.

What I meant by ‘hard’ is that life requires persistent effort and as you suggest a persistent choosing. Because we have not perfected our understanding of ourselves and our emotional systems, when we are doing this choosing we are always feeling pain due to our choice. That pain will be felt no matter what the choice, even if one doesn’t choose and let’s external conditions choose for them. That is one reason I find New Age teachings to be impotent because they are too advanced to be practically useful as they often disregard the emotional immaturity that human beings experience in this current stage of evolution.

When it is humanly possible (or at the very least socially possible) for people to live absolutely in the present you do see people achieve on levels far beyond their normal capacity and sometimes even supernatural performance or ability has been noted when people are in such perfect trances. However, to be at all social requires one gives up that trance at least a bit, and so there are limitations to how practically applicable such a mode of being is in the year 2014. I would be more interested in a discussion as to how we can practically bring our lives closer to the “Now” trance and make gains in that regard that we can experience in day to day life rather than just hold a perfect but unattainable “Now” trance on a pedestal and say “well that’s how it should be.”

I’m not saying you are doing that, but by and large most religious and spiritual teachings opt for the latter and thus do very little to actually help their practitioners spiritually progress.

John (25) (@jzic123) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Yep, I completely understand your point, and I think it’s valid.

Otherwise, we’d all be gleaning our life energy from the Sun (like Hira Ratan Manek), living in bliss in the ‘Now’, and all be essentially immortal in our Human form.

I think a few humans are ready for the ultimate shift, but grand scale conversion to and application of New Age principles seems quite a ways away.

However, my optimistic side has ‘hopes’ that if those few humans can somehow come together, that group of ‘advanced’ folks can dramatically alter the world and potentially fast track this spiritual revolution.

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Those hopes are absolutely realistic in fact I would literally bet my life on the fact they will come true (and that’s something I am actively doing).

Where does that type of thing start?

It starts here, with anyone saying, enough is enough, I’m sick of the hamster wheel and I’m sick of fantasies that are far beyond my lifetime, I want real progress and I’m willing to think outside the box to do it.

Maybe more advanced pharmaceuticals isn’t the way we’ll achieve greater health and longer life spans.
Maybe just throwing money at problems only makes them worst.
Hey wait a sec what is this thing we call “money” these days anyway?

There are people at the top who think they are so smart and they have such a grip on things that they would literally laugh at this discussion and the fact that without 6 PhD’s we’d even dare stick our noses in these problems.

They think the only Master Key is big money.

Did the followers of Jesus have big money?
Did Martin Luther have big money?
Did the founding fathers have big money?
Did the wright brothers have big money?

No, No, No, No

Big money can only prop something up for so long.

The ONLY way to do anything that will stand the test of time and create real progress, not hamster wheel progress, is to have Big Ideas, Big Faith and Big Desire.

There’s your Master Key, combine all three.

lyfe (1) (@greenbreath) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

And you didn’t mention Terrance Mckenna…

Brian Chaos (10) (@brian.chaos) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Yeah he could definitely go in the 3rd category maybe even the 2nd, but there are SOOO many people I didn’t mention.

lyfe (1) (@greenbreath) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

and so many people that were never well known too

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