Why Christianity & Islam are flawed

Dust (@boddhi11) 8 years ago

Christianity and Islam claim they are the word of God. Christians or Muslims believe that if you don’t believe in Jesus/Muhammad/One True God/Allah/etc. then you are going to hell. How can a religion claim such a thing when it is not even the oldest religion?

Hinduism is considered to be the oldest ORGANIZED* religions. The sacred writings of the VEDAS are considered the real word of god.

Now what I find hypocritical is that the Bible and Qu’ran folks claim that people who don’t believe in these books hence Jesus/Mohammad are going to hell. So what you are saying that before Christianity/Islam came along, everybody went to hell? The Egyptians, Mesopotamians, Arabians, Hindus, and etc all went to hell?

EX: For the Christians and Muslims that believe in Karma (Cause Effect), you do realize that first true concept of Karma (or Karm) actually came from Hinduism? Even the “Yoga” you guys practice is part of Hinduism. So why so much hypocrisy towards any other religion than Christianity/Islam is the only way to god..blah blah blah?

Before someone answers this question, please don’t quote the Bible or Qu’ran! I can do the same with the Vedas which came much much much before the following books. I just want a answer to by Christians and Muslims believe their religion is the ONLY way to god when common sense and logic clearly shows them it is not.

November 22, 2013 at 1:14 am
Anonymous (26) (@) 8 years ago ago

Aham brahamsmi

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Anonymous (26) (@) 8 years ago ago

veda’s and upnishad say that we all have that essence that godliness or Brahamn or Purush we only have to remember that,

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Cicero (4) (@jjoker999) 8 years ago ago

@boddhi11

I rarely reply, and I further rarely answer a fool according to his folly – but this situation seem to warrant a response: The sum of my argument is found in this simple idea – man is corrupt, he struggles with evil, he commits evil. (not that he is essentially evil, but coincidentally evil) A just God must, by nature of his justice must require punishment – Christianity is the only religion where man is save(redeemed) from evil by God. (I would go into further detail but I’m off to a funeral)

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Anonymous (5) (@) 8 years ago ago

They are dark labyrinths whose ultimate conclusion is the negation of reality it-self and thus the negation of God. Brainwashing systems that imprison your mind.

This applies not only to Christianity and Islam but to all ideological constructs that hinder Free, Rational and Response able thought.

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Dust (47) (@boddhi11) 8 years ago ago

@jjoker999, Are you trolling right now or just being ignorant? “I further rarely answer a fool according to his folly” – my exact thoughts about your ignorant response. Have you not studied Hinduism or Buddhism? Clearly not.

Like I said, Christianity is flawed. According to Christians, you are born a sinner. So okay now! I am born a sinner and my whole life I must seek redemption. Right because “God” is mad other humans because one of the humans ate the forbidden fruit. “Oh no. I must punish the whole human race for this!” – God. Yea great logic. No wonder people don’t want to believe in God. Flawed concept.

Now let me enlighten you about some other religion concepts which you are clearly unaware of. Hinduism (which came BEFORE Christianity) does not consider a human being as a sinner unlike Christianity. On the contrary, Hinduism considers a human being in essence is God itself (If there is a God and that God made us, then this is only logical). There is no sin but only ignorance in the core Hinduism. It says that due to ignorance you are caught up in the stranglehold of Maya. Once you are free from the veil of ignorance, you regain your original status and you understand that you are the Self or Atman itself.
– for example: for the people who tripped on Acid/Shrooms/DMT or what not get this SUPERB clarity about life. They see life for what it ACTUALLY is. The ignorance and the ego is removed mostly hence “free from the veil of ignorance,” and then you “understand you are the Self”. Now imagine that without being on Acid/ or similar drug and experiencing that. That is true Hinduism and Buddhism.

Oh btw, if you actually put thought into it, you will realize that the whole “sinner & “redemption” notion is man-made. If you abide by this notion then you are basically a slave. A born slave into this world. This brain washing has created a lot of psychological problems in human beings. Proof: a lot of Christians are turning away from being Christians. The concept of God in Christianity is very evil and flawed.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years ago ago

@boddhi11, First I will point out that Karma is not Cause and Effect, cause and effect is localised, Karma is basically and all encompassing principle. If you do something bad, cause and effect from that event will not necessarily come back on you, Karma is when the universe remembers that bad thing you did and punishes you in unrelated ways.

A lot of religions work on the principles of reward for good behaviour and punishment for bad behaviour, humans are highly prone to desire and fear so generally the techniques are used encourage or discourage certain behaviour.

People, given the time to consider, can work out for themselves that these techniques are not necessary, that by logic a person can be compelled to appropriate behaviour, just because it makes sense, not because they need additional prompting from manipulating methods, but generally people are too consumed by daily living to actually sit and consider such things, people often find it a very arduous and frustrating task.

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Anonymous (5) (@) 8 years ago ago

@trek79, “Karma is not cause and effect”

WRONG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma

“Karma (Sanskrit: कर्म[1] IPA: [ˈkarmə] ( listen); Pali: kamma) in Indian religions is the concept of “action” or “deed”, understood as that which causes the entire cycle of cause and effect (i.e., the cycle called saṃsāra). Originating in ancient India, Karma is part of Hindu, Jain, Buddhist and Sikh philosophies.”

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Faelynn (75) (@Faelynn) 8 years ago ago

@boddhi11,

“Christians or Muslims believe that if you don’t believe in Jesus/Muhammad/One True God/Allah/etc. then you are going to hell. How can a religion claim such a thing when it is not even the oldest religion?”

I don’t think it is about being the oldest religion or not… We would have to do a precise inquiry to decide which religion was the first, not only the famous ones, but what did cave men believe in ??

I think no religion can claim to be the only truth because first, who can pretend to know any truth ?
And second, I think each religion was written in a certain context. I don’t think we have proof that the words of God weren’t modified after they have been transmitted to the prophets, to suit the needs of certain people. I do trust enlightened people like prophets to have tramsitted wise words, but I don’t believe religous books can be trusted, because they have been translated and in hundreds of years word meaning changes. So I think we should be really careful while discussing religions, because it is highly difficult to go back to a pure source. I don’t believe one religion is originally better than another.

I agree with you on the fact that it is weird for a religion to claim that if you don’t believe in it, you will go to hell. It creates a hierarchy among people, and I don’t suppose you can bring peace and love in the hearts of human beings by making them think *they* have been chosen because *their* eyes have been opened and *they* believe so they contrary to us heretics can have the chance to go to heaven.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years ago ago

@primordialinstinct, Not exactly, it says “the entire cycle of cause and effect” not isolated/localised/individual instances of cause and effect. It is similar but different. Cause and effect is if you throw a rock at a bear and it attacks you, Karma is when you throw a rock at a bear and 3 years later a bird shits on you.

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Dust (47) (@boddhi11) 8 years ago ago

@faelynn, Oh I said one of the oldest organized* religions. Cavemen and all believed in something which was an organized religion. Of course there were religions before Hinduism or Zoroastrianism but they were not organized*.

“I think no religion can claim to be the only truth because first, who can pretend to know any truth?” – of course. I totally agree. But a religion can claim to be one* of the truths. I am sure there are many other truths to get to God but what I presented was a flawed “truth”.

‘I don’t believe one religion is originally better than another’ – I mean it is a nice thing to say but there has to be a time when one certain religion was the mother of all. Hinduism for example is said to have originated even before 5000 B.C. Christianity seems to be only 2000 years old. There are a lot of similarities between Christianity and many other older religions if you actually research. Even Buddhism existed as an off shoot from Hinduism. So what I am trying to say it that there has to be a Single organized religion that existed and gave births to many other religions according to their own Philosophers such as the Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad and etc.

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Anonymous (5) (@) 8 years ago ago

@trek79, ??????

The entire cycle of cause and effect is still cause and effect.

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Dust (47) (@boddhi11) 8 years ago ago

@trek79, @primordialinstinct

Let’s not get super technical about “Karma”. It was a way to summarize what it was and it is not wrong to say that it is Cause & Effect. But in reality, according to the Vedas, it is simply – “EVERY action has a REACTION”. So I guess it totally depends on the person’s defination of “Cause & Effect”.

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Anonymous (5) (@) 8 years ago ago

@boddhi11, “Now imagine that without being on Acid/ or similar drug and experiencing that. That is true Hinduism and Buddhism.”

Very well said!

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Dust (47) (@boddhi11) 8 years ago ago

Correction: “Cavemen and all believed in something which was an UNorganized** religion.”

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Anonymous (5) (@) 8 years ago ago
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Dust (47) (@boddhi11) 8 years ago ago

@primordialinstinct, haha did a project in school which referenced that link in it. I was just going to post it lol. Weird ;)

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years ago ago

@boddhi11, Yes Karma works on that scientific principle that every action has an equal/opposite reaction.

@primordialinstinct, It makes a huge difference, one is scientific the other is a spiritual belief that parallels scientific principles, but laws of physics are not evidence of higher order.

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Anonymous (5) (@) 8 years ago ago

@trek79, Spirituality vs Science is a false dilema, meant to initiate people into brainwashing.

Science is (in its true form) simply the objective pursuit of Truth.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years ago ago

@primordialinstinct, There is a difference between beliefs and perspective theory based on observable and testable phenomena, you cannot use one to validate the other. The dilemma you are talking about is that spirituality is not vital to engineering, it is about psychological comfort, the two shouldn’t have to clash.

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Anonymous (5) (@) 8 years ago ago

@trek79, ?????????

lol.

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Anonymous (5) (@) 8 years ago ago

@trek79, 1. I never said that beliefs validate reality. Beliefs should always be based on Truth/Reality otherwise they are just Ignorance retarding Reality.

2. I never said that ” ‘spirituality’ is not vital to engineering”, and I also disagree that “spirituality” is about “psychological comfort” – that last statement actually shows extreme ignorance in the matter.

In my opinion “spirituality” is about the pursuit of harmony/health/strength in Reality, in Truth.

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Cicero (4) (@jjoker999) 8 years ago ago

@boddhi11
Firstly, just because Hinduism is the first religion is no proof of its truth – proof is to do with validity and inherent truthfulness in terms with reality not chronology order of existence.

The point on which we disagree is simple – I believe man to be corrupt, you believe man to be pure. Now to answer your rebuttal; you believe that it is unjust for God to punish the whole human race for the sins of Adam( your use of the words ‘ flawed concept’ was horribly wrong – a flawed concept is a concept which in and of itself denies itself therefore being inherently flawed – it does not mean a believe which does not align with your core opinions)

It is a core Christian belief that all mankind, descending from Adam by ordinary generation, sin in him and fell with him in his first transgression – this is why Christ did not suffer from original sin ( he did not descend by ordinary generation) and why every other man is sinful. Now, I understand that you may disagree with this belief – but by denying my belief you are not do a thing towards convincing me that is conceptional flawed.

Now to fire my own darts back – you say that you must remove ‘ignorance and ego’ to understand that you are the ‘self’ – this is nice rhetoric but it is in fact inherently flawed – ‘ego’ is the Latin for ‘I’. Self is the name you give to yourself, so what the sentence actually says “you must remove ignorance and yourself to understand you are yourself.”
The sentence asserts that you must remove yourself – I follow – only so you can understand – this I don’t follow, you have removed ‘yourself’, so how can ‘you’ be understanding anything as ‘you’ no longer exists. At the core you say remove ‘yourself’ so ‘you’ can know that you are ‘yourself’. A best this is a lawyers play on words designed to confuse and impress the weak minded and uneducated

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years ago ago

@primordialinstinct, “In my opinion “spirituality” is about the pursuit of harmony/health/strength in Reality, in Truth.”

Yes, psychological, like I said.

Being part of the universe isn’t spirituality, it’s actually science.

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Anonymous (5) (@) 8 years ago ago

@trek79, Both psycho-logically and bio-logically because they are both interdependent manifestations of a whole.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years ago ago

@primordialinstinct, Concepts aren’t reality, if they are scientific or spiritual, they are still just concepts, the universe can get by just fine without them. That’s something people fail to keep in mind when they form beliefs or develop science, the fact concepts are only a tool to develop ourselves, either by practical engineering or psychological understanding.

Spirituality is no different.

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