One of the last posts in HE is about feminism and how society sees women as inferior, bla, bla, bla!
I love this website, but I didn’t like this post! I think the idea was to promote feminism and show how women is still discriminated, but, in my opinion, it’s totally unbalanced and actually helps out a lot for some women getting even worse self-esteem than they already have!
So I’m making this post that we can point the ADVANTAGES women have over men… Which are lots! And there is no reason to feel inferior!
Of course if you get into the mechanical engineer university, as a woman you might be victim of some prejudice, but that is as much as a man suffers when he wants to be a nurse!
Here is the point: If you want as a woman (for some crazy reason!) get into “men” world, of course it will be a challenge… and if you are intelligent, I’m sure you’ll master it! I just prefer keeping myself in the fabulous women’s world, where everything is about making life enjoyable, fun and beautiful… and not about getting the nobel prize.
Here it is 10 reasons why being a woman is great:
1. A ship is sinking, who gets in the safety boat? “- Women and children first!”
2. You can wear whatever you want! You can cut your hair short and wear a jeans and everybody will think you are modern… Try a guy wearing a pink t-shirt and long hair: then everybody thinks he is homosexual.
3. Any time you want sex, you just need to announce it! There is always going to be some guy up for it! Not the same situation with guys.
4. Women by birth already have an important function in the society: procreation. Even if you don’t use it, it’s there! But men must find an importance in the society by certain age, otherwise he starts being pushed aside, or even eliminated (military service… wars…).
5. Women are beautiful! Even for other women… We are nice to be looked at! (Men magazine cover = woman; women magazine cover = woman)
6. Women are pleasant by nature! Entertainers, sociable and care takers. Not a surprise so many women like studying sociology, marketing, cinema, pedagogy, psychology…
7. The societies with biggest amount of women in the government are also the most developed societies, because things go better when women are in charge.
8. It’s much easier for women to be accepted by the society as homosexual than for men.
9. Women can dance, cry, scream of fear… and we are not judged for that! Men do the same and get lots of judgement.
10. Women can get multiple orgasms!
So, as we see, men don’t get easy as you thought! So from now on, please women, get rid of this low self-esteem and this wish of being like a man… enjoy being a woman! It’s a blessing and not a burden!
I enjoy being rational, and logically figuring out my problems.
I do not enjoy the subtle insinuation that I am being “unfeminine” by using my mind.
Why is the use of logic not considered feminine? Why is it considered “unfeminine” to be interested in achieving anything besides motherhood and being a hostess?
@beyond, “a woman could beat the shit out of me if she’s in great shape” Dude how can you be ok with that. You are genetically way stronger/ faster than a chick. That’s like getting a 2 second head start in a 40 yard race and still losing.
@generaltitsvonchodehoffen, No, I’m not genetically stronger than all women. And I’m not stronger or faster than women that exercise more than me or when I am not in shape at all. Or we could knock each other out. But why the fuck would we do that? I am okay with that, meaning that you should never underestimate women. And angering a woman is never a good idea!
@manimal, LOL! Man… You are so funny!
“Any guy who would succumb to that shit is definitely a measly little pussy who’s only picked you because he’s desperate.”
All my friends think like me… We are women only for the desperate men!
“Yes, porn would exist. Porn is age-old, and it was never a male-only thing.”
“btw, teenage girls are the most feminine ones anyway and thus the prime examples for discussion.”
Yes! Teenager girls like Twilight, because there is no sex and the guy say he only wants sex after marriage.
“I bet you feel real proud of that, huh?”
Well, I’m proud I don’t sleep with “brochas” (as we say in Brazil!)… Yea! Men with low sex drive are definitely not attractive!
“We can, and some of us do, I do.”
Please, define “multiple orgasm”… How does it feel?
@prittii, Why do you think that a picture of yourself is a good argument? Everything is subjective.
Please address some of my points. I feel like posts like yours encourage the idea that to use one’s mind is unfeminine. One shouldn’t have to choose between using one’s mind and using one’s looks to win arguments – after all, one fades pretty quickly.
People thinking like you do, “Women are good too because they’re pretty and obliging and make everyone feel good!” make it difficult for women to cultivate the assertiveness that you need to be a good learner and a good employee.
I still find it funny that orgasms are put on a pedestal. It’s like for people this is the meaning of life. To have orgasms. Ok, I’m sorry this is not even funny, it’s fucking hilarious that people feel proud that they have orgasms. Anyway, if someone is interested in men’s multiple orgasms read this. – http://www.whitelotuseast.com/MultipleOrgasm.htm
Porn and erotica is actually as old as human existence and it was never only for males, they drew paintings of their muses, illustrations and wrote books that were forbidden and bigger taboos because of the laws of the church (sins). So suck it, incompetent morons. :)))))
@birdflyinghigh, There are so many men posting extremely misogynist comments, and you picked on me… the reason is pretty clear!
Looks fade as much as mind. My way of thinking doesn’t make any harder for you to succeed in whatever you decide… You are the master of yourself and there is no need to feel threatened for people that are different. Do your choices, but don’t expect that everybody else have to change because of them!
Sara Blakely, owner of Spanx, is the youngest woman to become a billionaire… Only 27 years old… She is really feminine and works in a market for women. Being a typical woman doesn’t stop you of being successful in business or in anything you want. Feeling inferior because of feminine stereotypes does.
For the record…I don’t feel inferior to men because I’m a woman.
I feel inferior when men beat me.
Then I train harder–mind and body.
Only when we’re competing though, and that’s not quite often. I usually find myself competing against other women. But that’s a whole other topic.
@birdflyinghigh, No! A person can be beautiful, but not feminine… So There is no connection. But being feminine adds up to a woman’s beauty in my point of view. The feminine sex, also in the animal world, is normally associated with sweetness, kindness, loveliness… I think these are essetialy beautiful characteristics!
If beauty fades first than mind, here’s another reason to enjoy it while you still have it, because mind still gonna be there later. :p
@birdflyinghigh, Why yes, yes it is. Though it depends how you look upon it. It’s a quality of the “divine feminine,” that which is feminine is beautiful and vice versa.
@jeslyntweedie, “Lower rates in success/contribution” implies that there is an objective way of measuring such things, and that people have different value (meaning, not equal.)
I don’t agree with that stuff, nor do I understand your definitions of “success” or “contribution” since you never explained those things. (This is getting off topic though.)
I take a male superiority standpoint? Haha seriosly, woman, where do you get this stuff from? I never said anything about men being superior. I said several times that the genders are equal, never that we aren’t. I never said anything negative or hateful about women either. You’re projecting again, cut it out will ya.
Men will always have advantages in certain areas, and women will always have advantages in other areas. That’s a good thing. Men and women are very different, that’s fucking awesome. The world would be incredibly gray if it wasn’t for these differences, it would suck major donkey balls.
Things are perfectly balanced physically as well. Yes, there are female body builders and weightlifters. Doesn’t mean anything. Men and women are both strong by nature, it’s just that men are a fair bit stronger. That’s not imbalanced, because the woman body has may other advantages, such as the higher good-feeling neurtotransmitter levels and all those nerve endings in your crotch granting you more pleasure than a man could imagine, and your ability to produce and feed a baby. Just a few examples.
Equality does not mean being the exact same. Men and women are equal BECAUSE of our differences. The more “neutral” you go the more unequal things get, because true neutrality can never happen. And thanks to men being masculine and women being feminine, together we can cover a much broader reality that we could ever dream of if we were neutral.
We all have our biological alignments, every body is specialized in certain things, doing those things is generally what gives the greatest results and best feelings.
You’re born either male or female, either way it’s fucking epic, trying to escape what you are or being jealous of your polar opposite is just plain messed up.
There’s nothing misogynistic about anything I say, it’s just your damn projections. And it’s more than a little rude of you to claim such things about people. Especially seeing how you constantly complain about others doing that to you, which makes you a hypocrite.
Take a chill pill, drop the hate, stop projecting that shit. You’re here to DISCUSS, aren’t you?
Peace and Love
I don’t have to explain why you take a male superiority standpoint, at times.
You do it yourself all throughout this thread.
“7. Things go better when women are in charge? Sure, in some areas of life. Society-wise, not so much. The reason why there are more women in the governments of developed societies is because women are given more opportunities for such things here. By whom, I ask you.”
Obviously, you’re not one for history. Yes it’s less common, but just because a woman is in power does not mean a man put her there. There are a bunch of different ways and reasons for such a thing. And no one can lead without all their subjects, made up of men and women.
“Though I really do agree with your main point, being a woman is probably much easier. That’s the thing, the easy way is always the less free way. Play harder and you get more privileges, men play harder and thus we get more privileges. Law of nature.”
Sounds a lot like male superiority to me.
“We’re all equal, it doesn’t fucking matter what society says. And of course society would lean more to the men’s favour, it’s only logical, because men created society.”
That is ridiculous. Men didn’t create society. There would be no society without women to create society for. It’s a 2 part thing.
There is much more on this thread that supports the male superiority you employ often, but it is a waste of my time to argue further since you will not admit I am right about this.
Because when I make a good point against you, you usually just completely ignore it and don’t acknowledge it–though will sometimes employ the same idea in discussion with other people. Very rarely will you acknowledge when I’m right. You will skip to something you can argue with me on. Which is fine, that helps me in discussion-so I haven’t said anything about it. I don’t need anyone to tell me I’m right when I’m right, just when I’m wrong. That’s growth. But you do it a lot.
That’s ok, we need people like that too, so it works I guess. You can’t deny your male superiority/authority complex though. It’s in a lot of things you say.
And, success and contribution as it’s meant to the individual. What I mean is breeding more potential for self-actualization and individual fulfillment. Through planning. Not success on my terms, but success on an individual understanding. Instead of blindly following what people tell you to do, being successful in what you truly want to do.
It’s easier to attain that when brought up in a healthy environment that has planned to help a child grow and develop.
Instead of teenagers who get pregnant because they don’t know any better or don’t think ahead. Some continue smoking cigarettes and drinking while pregnant, some are jobless, some have absolutely no future security, some cannot stick together due to immaturity and single parenting is a huge struggle in itself, etc.
A child brought up in that world is going to have a harder time self-actualizing. Unless they get a lot of help, which I didn’t say was impossible, just rare in comparison to the bleaker outcomes I see all the time.
That’s what I mean when I say planned vs. unplanned pregnancy. You had again dissected my words further than intended. But then, I could be more pure in explanation couldn’t I? So again, this is helpful. Thanks.
@jeslyntweedie, “Obviously, you’re not one for history. Yes it’s less common, but just because a woman is in power does not mean a man put her there. There are a bunch of different ways and reasons for such a thing. And no one can lead without all their subjects, made up of men and women.”
I didn’t say a woman cannot rise to power on her own. Stop placing words in my mouth, you do that a lot.
But truth be told, in our current society, the women in power positions were placed there by men, with very few exceptions.
“Sounds a lot like male superiority to me.” @jeslyntweedie
Then you’ve got an interpretation issue.
First of all, I never said having those privilieges makes one superior, or that playing harder does.
Women can play hard too, but very few choose to, and so they can’t have the results it produces. Most women simply choose to rely on a man, just because that opportunity is readily available, because most men have an urge to provide for women, and social conditioning amplifies this even more. These women are taking the easy way out, and taking the easy way out always leads to lesser results and less control.
Because when you rely on someone, you submit to them, that’s just how it works. Also, relying on someone else to give you stuff means you can only have what that person has and what that person wants to give you, and he/she also has to fill his/her own needs first. Relying is submission.
The fact that we use words like “domestic” and “husband” should be enough to make you realize this. Because what they imply is more or less ownership, the words “husbandry” and “domestication” really mean taming, farming. The woman is a pet in that situation (of course there are reverse situations too, but like I said earlier they aren’t as common.) Relying on your lover means selling yourself to him. That’s what a domestic relationship is, always has been, always will be.
Some people want to live like that, the vast majority of them are women. That doesn’t make them inferior. I never said that.
You’re the one adding that connotation, placing words in my mouth. Parataxic distortions.
“That is ridiculous. Men didn’t create society. There would be no society without women to create society for. It’s a 2 part thing.” @jeslyntweedie
Men DID create society. That’s a fact. They also built the houses, installed the laws, invented most of the technology, and so on. Also fact.
Society wasn’t created only for women. And having something created for you doesn’t mean you were part of creating it.
I’m not saying anything about superiority here (I shouldn’t even have to explain this, it’s fucking obvious.)
And I don’t even like society, so how is me explaining that men created society an argument for male superiority? If anything, it would be the opposite.
“There is much more on this thread that supports the male superiority you employ often, but it is a waste of my time to argue further since you will not admit I am right about this.
Because when I make a good point against you, you usually just completely ignore it and don’t acknowledge it–though will sometimes employ the same idea in discussion with other people.” @jeslyntweedie
Admit? There’s nothing for me to admit here, you are simply not right. I do not believe in superiority, it’s just your projections. This is starting to get annoying, why must I explain this over and over? Stop projecting, this is a fucking discussion, check your ego at the counter before entering.
I don’t ignore the points you make. I acknowledge them very often, I have told you several times that you make good points. You’re projecting again.
These points though, are not good at all, and as such I will not accept them.
And I do not shoot down your points and apply them to other discussion, if you feel like that’s been going on, that’s just a communication issue.
“And, success and contribution as it’s meant to the individual. What I mean is breeding more potential for self-actualization and individual fulfillment. Through planning. Not success on my terms, but success on an individual understanding. Instead of blindly following what people tell you to do, being successful in what you truly want to do.” @jeslyntweedie
But those ARE your terms and definitions.
Self-actualization and fulfilment are subjective. And an actual person is obviously actualized. A person who doesn’t grow is obviously content with what he/she is, ie fulfilled.
If they spend their lives blindly following, that’s obviously what they truly want the most.
Sure they want other things, but the fact that they keep following blindly confirms that’s what they want more.
If something isn’t in your life, you didn’t want it bad enough, you wanted other things more.
Everyone is actualized, fulfilled and in alignment with what they really want. It’s all subjective. Who are you or I to judge others on how fulfilled they are?
I think they’re nasty and dumb as all hell for wanting those things, but I’m not claiming that they’re less actualized, because they’re not. You do.
“It’s easier to attain that when brought up in a healthy environment that has planned to help a child grow and develop.” @jeslyntweedie
Where’s the proof, woman?
“Some continue smoking cigarettes and drinking while pregnant, some are jobless, some have absolutely no future security, some cannot stick together due to immaturity and single parenting is a huge struggle in itself, etc.
A child brought up in that world is going to have a harder time self-actualizing. Unless they get a lot of help, which I didn’t say was impossible, just rare in comparison to the bleaker outcomes I see all the time.” @jeslyntweedie
I was an accident (born 9 months after valentine’s, my parents had only recently met.) My mother was jobless and very poor when she made me. She also ate a lot of candy and other unhealthy shit, and smoked occasionally. My whole upbringing she was struggling.
Looking at my life, it’s obvious that I’m much “more actualized” (your term, not mine) than most, and I never got any help with that stuff. It was all me, it wasn’t even hard.
And I’m not special, anyone can do it.
If the world around you affects you more than just a little bit, you won’t succed with “self actualization.” A person who “self actualized” by relying on others didn’t really do it at all.
If anything, I think it’s good that there are more people who “aren’t given a chance.” Because unlike the “normal” curling kids, they don’t grow up to be dead weight pussies who can’t stand on their own.
The greater the challenge, the more you grow.
I was always the reject, the scapegoat, the victim, the overlooked middle child, the boy with no friends, and so on. And I’m grateful for that, because it toughened me the fuck up and taught me not to rely on anyone or anything. Taught me to deal with any situation, taught me not to give a fuck, and so on. And now I have the greatest life I could imagine, just because of those qualities of mine, because they’re the keys to all forms of success.
Had I been planned, born into a safety net, had everything served on a silver platter, received help, and so on… I would have grown up to be a pathetic wimp, like all the other guys. Dead weight, a cancer upon the earth.
Challenges are the way to growth. Independence is the only way to a functional life and a functional world. People need to stop being such pussies.
Again, you’ve completely missed all my points and are arguing against an interpretation of YOURS that is not correct.
I can’t even discuss everything you’ve typed because the basis for your arguments have no weight over what I really meant by my words.
And, you’ve also turned this whole conversation into what I’m doing wrong, or what you’re doing wrong, or what you’re doing right–instead of discussion. Not me.
Even now. I don’t want to do that.
So stop it. You are acting childish. I mean that informatively.
@jeslyntweedie, Now that’s parataxic distortion, and “regurgitation of the opponent’s arguments.”
I did not miss the points, you just fail to see the bigger picture of what it is that you’re saying. You only see the veneer, the symptoms, you gotta probe deeper. That’s what I’m doing.
You are the one making things personal and being childish, how can you not see this?
I just wanted to fucking help you, and what do I get back? Your anger and hatred, apparently. Well, there are plenty of others who are reasonable and who appreciate my help and who want to grow, unlike you who just shut down and “spit in my face” when all I did was try to help you.
This is the very reason men get so pissed off at women and think women are crazy and stupid. This is the shit that creates misogynists and bitter loners.
Why don’t you people get smart? This idea keeps coming up “Society makes women feel inferior”. It’s your fucking life and your fucking emotions, choose not to be easily molded by the hands that hold you. Don’t listen to the negative opinions. Be fucking emotionally strong and don’t let things get to you. It’s all about perception. As soon as you learn this “society” will no longer try to keep a certain place for you. Let’s completely take this out of discussion for a moment, “female qualities” and “male qualities”. Let’s just call these human qualities. Some of us hold them, some don’t. So fucking what? It doesn’t make anyone better than anyone or anyone inferior. I apologize for all of the F-bombs but damn I just get sick of the people in the world bitching about the same things when they themselves are in control of the “situation”. It’s all about perception.
@cognizantelephant, Because I felt that I wasn’t valuing and respecting myself.
I can’t understand people that take sex in such shallow way. I like to share my body with someone I like, admire and makes me feel comfortable… not with some random “hot” guy I saw in the club. It turned out that some of them were complete jerks.