One of the last posts in HE is about feminism and how society sees women as inferior, bla, bla, bla!
I love this website, but I didn’t like this post! I think the idea was to promote feminism and show how women is still discriminated, but, in my opinion, it’s totally unbalanced and actually helps out a lot for some women getting even worse self-esteem than they already have!
So I’m making this post that we can point the ADVANTAGES women have over men… Which are lots! And there is no reason to feel inferior!
Of course if you get into the mechanical engineer university, as a woman you might be victim of some prejudice, but that is as much as a man suffers when he wants to be a nurse!
Here is the point: If you want as a woman (for some crazy reason!) get into “men” world, of course it will be a challenge… and if you are intelligent, I’m sure you’ll master it! I just prefer keeping myself in the fabulous women’s world, where everything is about making life enjoyable, fun and beautiful… and not about getting the nobel prize.
Here it is 10 reasons why being a woman is great:
1. A ship is sinking, who gets in the safety boat? “- Women and children first!”
2. You can wear whatever you want! You can cut your hair short and wear a jeans and everybody will think you are modern… Try a guy wearing a pink t-shirt and long hair: then everybody thinks he is homosexual.
3. Any time you want sex, you just need to announce it! There is always going to be some guy up for it! Not the same situation with guys.
4. Women by birth already have an important function in the society: procreation. Even if you don’t use it, it’s there! But men must find an importance in the society by certain age, otherwise he starts being pushed aside, or even eliminated (military service… wars…).
5. Women are beautiful! Even for other women… We are nice to be looked at! (Men magazine cover = woman; women magazine cover = woman)
6. Women are pleasant by nature! Entertainers, sociable and care takers. Not a surprise so many women like studying sociology, marketing, cinema, pedagogy, psychology…
7. The societies with biggest amount of women in the government are also the most developed societies, because things go better when women are in charge.
8. It’s much easier for women to be accepted by the society as homosexual than for men.
9. Women can dance, cry, scream of fear… and we are not judged for that! Men do the same and get lots of judgement.
10. Women can get multiple orgasms!
So, as we see, men don’t get easy as you thought! So from now on, please women, get rid of this low self-esteem and this wish of being like a man… enjoy being a woman! It’s a blessing and not a burden!
AGAIN, there is no anger nor hatred in my words. NOT AT ALL, that is YOU putting it there. Twisting meaning from my words that is not there. And still, here you are making this personal.
“So stop it. You are acting childish. I mean that informatively.” <—I meant that literally. To help you understand my meaning since you seem to interpret things very literally. As in not sarcastically, straight-faced, just informatively.
I respect what you say. I've already told you this, you give good opposing viewpoints to my thoughts, and it does help me build them–but I do the same for you except you don't approach me that way. That is stalling your growth–not mine.
@manimal, it seems that often times you get so caught up in playing the “expert” role that you forget you, too, still have a lot to learn. Isn’t that what a website like this is all about? Learning from each other? I really enjoy listening to your perspective on topics but when it becomes more about who’s “right”, the integrity of the discussion definitely becomes compromised.
I don’t know any women who ‘feel’ inferior. Maybe some women feel that society sees them as inferior, but that isn’t the same as feeling inferior.
Equal rights for women is still a really recent thing, and saying that sexism doesn’t exist is like saying racism doesn’t exist. It does, sometimes it is subtle and in some countries it is worse than ever.
(I’m regularly told I should not be allowed to do my job because I’m female)
I’m sure the OP is only speaking about western cultures (and by the way, that list of why women are awesome was based on ridiculous stereotypes which says to me you are also conditioned by a sexist society). So maybe women getting stoned to death (not in the way HE users would thoroughly enjoy) for getting raped, young female babies being left in the streets because they’re worthless, and young girls being sold into marriage isn’t in the highest priority in your life, but please don’t make out that feminism is a pathetic non-cause, because the more people that believe that the more damage will be done to the women that DO need help. Just because you don’t see something on your doorstep it doesn’t mean it’s not there.
@manimal, Can you talk a little more about femininity meaning inherently embracing surface beauty? Does this also link the sensual to women?
Couldn’t the assumption that women better embody the surface beautiful be a male bias?
@prittii, Why is it that every time I sign up for a web service that demands to know what my gender is, I get a feeling of dread? Why is it that every time my gender gets marked, all of a sudden all of the content directed my way seems to be less interesting, less focused, more driven by advertising and insecurity?
Perhaps to you, being a woman is a powerful, beautiful thing. Perhaps to you, it is a plus to your life. For me, I see overtly marked gender as a bad thing. From my personal experiences, it seems as though being marked as “female” means that you will receive a watered down version of whatever you are searching for – the “girl version” – one that tries to distract you back to thinking about your body, your beauty, and whether or not your love life is normal.
I don’t think that buying into it is the way to get it to stop. Do you feel these ways outside of learning that’s what you’re supposed to like?
I’ll just say this – “female” is the codeword for easier, in so many different levels of society – physical tests as well as psychological, as well as moral (it seems to me). Women are excused and benevolently accepted for weakness. Women are seen/known as “The Weaker Sex”.
I’m past being offended by that… I know there’s such a thing as “masculine” and “feminine” energy. But if you are someone who tries to push their limits and train to get stronger, you need the more abrasive and demanding environments. When people deny them to you because of your gender – it SUCKS.
I’m liking you a lot. Rockin’ it. Yep. Way to swoop in with yet another, different, viable and useful perspective.
Now we have 4 pretty good accounts on this topic with similarities and differences. Ready, set–connect objectively.
I’ll start with:
Neither male nor female should be blinded by their gender driven instincts in the pursuit of truth. Abandoning the gender projected idea of self–is a major component to completely obliterate the self and allows objectivity to occur more freely.
“Why is it that every time I sign up for a web service that demands to know what my gender is, I get a feeling of dread?” @birdflyinghigh,
I think just “getting this feeling” it’s already spoiling your chances! We transmit everything we feel… If you feel already that people are going to judge you inferior because you are a woman, you are not helping yourself! You have to stop saying such things and just thinking about your capabilities. Honestly STOP! If you think this way: You will get turned down even if you are more capable! Not because you are a woman, but because you transmit such insecurity!
Believe me, the same way you might get annoying situations because you are a woman trying to break into a “male” market, I get for being a woman that likes to be “feminine”. I don’t think there is anyone safe from societies stigmas! The thing is that I love being who I am and I transmit that to people…
Learning to deal with “no” is also really important! If you watch presentation by all successful people out there, you will see that ALL OF THEM got 1000 “no”, before getting “yes”. Not giving up also helps!
“Men need not look very far to find an abundance of strong role models. Female role models of the same caliber, however, are few and far between”
This was posted in that “homage” to women thread.
I don’t expect that a person that thinks “leadership” and “career oriented” being great features for a human being to understand or see the amount of females are great examples to humanity.
This people see, for example, Marilyn Monroe as an useless human being and Mark Zuckeberg as a hero.
I see Mark Zuckeberg as a best friend cheater and a social awkward person that couldn’t manage to speak to the girl he likes with respect. OMG! How can I say that? He created FACEBOOK!!! So awesome facebook!!! Changes the life of everybody in the world! You are stuck in the computer all day chatting and nosing in your friends life… So amazing! I remember when I was in China how much not having facebook complicated my life: NOT!
Marilyn Monroe was an orphan with a dream! She inspired women to enjoy their feminine side… to see all the positive sides of it and use them to have a fun, beautiful and enjoyable life. She was an entertainer and considered one of the best actresses in the whole world. Also a muse and an icon! Why some people think she was a nobody? Because she wasn’t masculine like Marlene Dietritch? Because she wasn’t a woman that “kept” to herself like Ingrid Bergman?
Yes Marilyn! I’m a woman and I enjoy it! Thank you!
And for those that don’t see how women can lead Don’t you know history? Queen Victoria made the UK the practically “owner” of the world for a while! Germany is the most powerful country in Europe right now also leaded by a woman. I just don’t see this “leadership” making any of them a better person… Queen Victoria made the UK pretty miserable: don’t show your feelings, or you are showing weakness! Also pretty racist!
@mercurial, Believe me… once the magazine put normal people there, this girls don’t buy it anymore. lol
I have a fashion blog… the most seen post is Lara Stone and second position Monica Bellucci. See! People complain, but they are the ones creating their own problem.
@jeslyntweedie, “AGAIN, there is no anger nor hatred in my words. NOT AT ALL, that is YOU putting it there. Twisting meaning from my words that is not there. And still, here you are making this personal.”
EXACTLY! That was actually whole goddamn motherfucking bloody-ass point.
I’m showing you what you are doing, letting you see how fucking stupid it is. But you keep denying that you’re doing it. If this does not prove to you your own massive hypocrisy, nothing can, then you’re too unreasonable and ignorant to be helped.
No, I’m not accusing you of anything. It’s an “if” statement. It only holds true if you make it.
““So stop it. You are acting childish. I mean that informatively.” <—I meant that literally. To help you understand my meaning since you seem to interpret things very literally. As in not sarcastically, straight-faced, just informatively."
It's not informative at all, since it really doesn't reflect reality one bit. It's all very well thought out, really, you're still too concentrated on surface stuff and you think that's what's real. It's not.
Another reason why it is not informative is because I know what I'm doing, and you do not. How could you possibly know? You couldn't.
"I respect what you say. I've already told you this, you give good opposing viewpoints to my thoughts, and it does help me build them–but I do the same for you except you don't approach me that way. That is stalling your growth–not mine.""
You have no idea what approach I have, at all. I don't write reactively, I'm a proactive and detached person, what I write doesn't necessarily reflect what I think or feel. It's just the surface bullshit, which you pay way too much attention to, missing the real points and what's really going on.
But then again, nobody on this site has taught me anything real that I did not already know. And unlike the rest of you, I'm not just making theories, perspectives and beliefs, I'm 100% focused on what actually works.
And really, you couldn't help my growth because I've already accomplished all that I wanted. That's why I put all my time into helping and coaching others. There is no personal gain in it for me whatsoever, on the contrary I sacrifice a lot for it and very rarely get anything real in return.
And in cases like this, I get a bunch butthurt reactions and saddening replies showing how people refuse to let go of their bullshit and just go with what really works.
Progress and success are ridiculously easy and simple once you let go of that stuff, I know this from lots of experience. Fuck your theories, fuck your perspective, fuck your ego, they're only holding you back. The only reason things get complicated or difficult is because you have thoughts in your head that make it that way. Limiting beliefs and incorrect ideas of how things work, those are the real reasons why you are not living your optimal dream.
I am living mine. Because I do not fuck around with a bunch of mental masturbation ego bullshit, I only focus on WHAT'S REAL. That's why I get the results that you don't.
That's why I'm constantly working on breaking this part of people's minds, it's only in the way, it's poison, it's cancer, it's all that's bad in this world.
The mind is a almost exclusively a bunch of bullshit, wise people have been explaining that for literal millennia. Some people claim to understand and agree, but they really don't because they're obviously not DOING it. The mind has many good uses, the ego has its time and place, but when you start thinking what's in your mind is real things go to shit.
What's real is what's OUT THERE. Don't live inside your head, because you'll only be deluding yourself, get out of your head and you will see what's real and you will get to where you want.
That's why the illuminated people "run this world." They focus on what's real and what works, while the rest of you focus on what you like to think about.
It's a choice, either you get real and get somewhere, or you dream your life away. Which sounds better to you?
To reconnect this to the thread:
That is why women generally achieve less stuff, they're too indecisive, fluctuating, scattered. They want something, but they also want something that is completely incompatible with that, "Wanting to eat the cake AND save it for later."
You gotta choose. We're always faced with these decisions, one side or the other, you can't have both. You gotta choose.
In your case (and that of 99.9999999% of everyone else) the main choice is between ego and reality. That's why people are so miserable, they don't choose. And those who do, generally keep going back and forth, which makes no difference.
You gotta pick one, and stick with it. That's how it works.
Ego vs reality, which one do you choose?
@collinsj2009, I never claimed to be an expert.
But I have yet to be presented with anything here that I haven’t already gone through thoroughly. It’s not about who’s right, it’s about WHAT’S REAL. What WORKS.
@birdflyinghigh, Yes, and no. Mostly yes.
It’s not so much women, as the feminine in general. Women are more feminine, in the zoomed-in human perspective this difference is quite big. Women are by nature more sensual and beautiful. But we’re not talking about extremes here, it’s not like women and men are polar opposites, in the bigger picture our differences aren’t that big. They’re still there though.
As for the stuff about more acceptance, I guess it’s just a natural reaction. It’s like feedback of the “forgiving female energy,” accepting just the way you are no matter what, like a mother to her child. One reason might be that women are cuter, people are generally more easy on that which is cute.
And another reason may be the fact that women’s feelings are much stronger, most people don’t want to upset women because they can’t handle the overflow of “drama.” And most people tend to react exactly with that kind of shit when someone is pushing them. That’s really the only reason why anyone ever takes offense, being challenged and not being able to handle it.
And then there’s the social conditiong, making people assume that women just don’t want to push the envelope. Which is indeed silly. Then there is the social conditioning that says men can’t behave like that around women, that they have to act like pussies around them because it’s “mean” not to.
Thank you so much, Hollywood and religion.
Actual men are rare these days.
@manimal, Be careful you don’t derail this thread, if you haven’t already! I’m enjoying it.
“And then there’s the social conditiong, making people assume that women just don’t want to push the envelope. Which is indeed silly. Then there is the social conditioning that says men can’t behave like that around women, that they have to act like pussies around them because it’s “mean” not to.”
Being a woman often gets in the way of getting good training – even when that training is not physical. My favorite professor from college is one who realized, in his own words, that he was “systematically discriminating against young women in his classes, because [he] was afraid to make the same overtures of friendship and mentorship to them.” As a married man, he was afraid of being seen as overly friendly, overly sexual – which I think is a reflection of how young women are seen as purely sexual, even when they are doing NOTHING suggestive other than existing. A lot of other professors hadn’t had this personal revelation.
@prittii, beauty is a double-edged sword. You can gain sway and influence through sex, however, you usually only gain sway and influence over matters pertaining to sex. I also think that sex and one’s own sexual power exist as an end to itself; it is cheapened when it is used to further some unrelated goal. So if you want to enjoy your femininity and sexual power, trying to bargain it away kind of ruins it. For me, anyway.
@birdflyinghigh, Don’t worry, everything I bring up relates to the topic in some ways, and I’ll make sure to connect things back to it if I notice derailment.
Those are some really good points you (and the prof) make there. It’s all due to this sick objectification (and in the present day also reverse objectification) of women.
All these weird gender-specific treatments, what are they really saying about people’s beliefs?
-Women are soft and fragile
-Women are sexy, a man can not interact with a woman in a non-sexual way
-Women are strange and unreasonable, they require special treatment
-Women must be supported and not questioned
-Women shall be treated like children
And in conclusion
-Women are not people
That’s what they’re really saying. This goes for the feminists too, although they have the opposite ideas on most of those points. But they’re still doing the same thing, drawing a line between men and women.
That’s the fucking problem.
Feminists are just feeding the “war between the genders.”
It doesn’t matter if you’re a man or a woman. You’re a person, a human being, an individual, you are YOU. That’s all you are, and you are unique. Gender is not belonging to a group, it’s just a biological form.
It’s not an issue of men having weird beliefs about women, or women having weird beliefs about women. The issue is that men and women see eachother as aliens, non-people, as if there’s this huge gap between them.
There really isn’t. People are people. Men and women are people just the same.
A lot of people will say “I already know that, I already agree with that” but really, very few actually do. They just like to think it, but they don’t live it. They still see the other gender as aliens, animals or non-people.
The biggest evidence of this stuff is all the weird “dating/pickup techniques” that are littered all over most of the gender-specific media. “How to mack the bitches,” “6 ways to make a man crave you” and so on. As if the other gender were machines or animals that must be manipulated.
Not only does this shit alienate the opposite gender, it also removes pretty much all of the genuine sexual attraction, and prevents proper teamwork. It’s funny because even after all this time our social structure is exactly like it was millions of years ago. Socially, we’re still as primal as the other animals, I doubt that will ever change. Straying from this natural “perfection” only fucks things up.
The gap is not real, we are the same damn species. Man = woman. We have the same feelings, dreams, and so on, just slightly differenct ratios of these. A person is a person, no matter what’s between his/her legs.
What I meant is that the magazines uses photoshop, because that’s what the costumers like! Magazines are just delivering what is selling better.
If the girls don’t like it, they shouldn’t buy this magazine anymore… simple as that! ;)
I have some knowledge in photography and I definitely think photoshop helps a lot for a better picture.
@birdflyinghigh, I’m not saying anything about sex! I don’t think being a woman is “using your sexual power”. You are misinterpreting because of your personal view on femininity.
Anyway, this post already had enough! Let’s all not tighten our vagina:
“And really, you couldn’t help my growth because I’ve already accomplished all that I wanted. That’s why I put all my time into helping and coaching others. There is no personal gain in it for me whatsoever, on the contrary I sacrifice a lot for it and very rarely get anything real in return.”
-Then you are still accomplishing something you want by being here–you want to help and coach others. If you stopped wanting things, you’d be dead. Even if it’s just wanting to accomplish survival for the next 5 minutes.
*I know this is not what you meant literally by your words, a taste of your own medicine. This is what you do to me a lot with my words.
@jeslyntweedie, Bingo! Now you’re getting it…
@prittii, Yep, photoshop sells. Photoshopped pictures are more aesthetically pleasing. Women don’t look as good on photo as they do in real life, hence photoshop. But a woman who looks like the photoshopped pictures wouldn’t be considered hotter in reality, she would just look weird and not like a human.
That’s what’s so stupid, people don’t understand that there’s a major difference between what’s more aesthetically “perfect” and what looks better on a person.
Besides, if you asked actual guys, you would find that most of them prefer more natural looking women. The notion that these dolled up model girls are what guys actually want, is just a lie made by the media to fool gullible young girls into buying stuff. Because they know young girls are desperate for the men’s attention.
@manimal, Photoshop shapes the photo, control the colors, etc. Also helps to make everyone look better removing skin imperfections such as lines, dark circles, spots, etc.
What many women don’t know is that these photoshoped models many times are not beautiful in person! Because being a model is not about being beautiful, it’s about being photogenic! It’s completely different!
“Besides, if you asked actual guys, you would find that most of them prefer more natural looking women. ”
I totally disagree! Men are extremely shallow creatures.
I know a girl that is so stunning… just perfect! All men that meet her, get crazy about her… Never met an exception yet.