Would Aliens come in peace?

 Nakedape (@nakedape)8 years, 5 months ago

Stephen Hawking believes we should fear aliens, which would probably come to Earth in search of resources and bent on our destruction. The venerated cosmologist says that he thinks aliens exist, but that we should “avoid contact at all costs”. Any life intelligent enough to find us would probably be seeking resources, he says. And that would likely be bad news for humans. “We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn’t want to meet,” he says. Among billions of galaxies, each containing hundreds of millions of stars, Earth is probably not the only place where life evolved, he says. To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational,” he said. “The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like.”

Weighing in on what Hawkings had to say, Neil Degrasse Tyson stated in an interview “our biggest fear, I think, is that the aliens who visit us would treat us the way we treat each other here on Earth.”

To say we treat each other poorly is probably an understatement.. I mean we murder 56 billion animals every year and we have caused more destruction to this planet than any other species on Earth. So it sounds to me that Hawkings is just really trying to say ‘we need to get our shit together’ before contacting ET’s..

What do you guys think?

April 19, 2013 at 10:16 pm
Anonymous (0) (@) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@nakedape, No I think that no species that is smart enough to navigate to our planet from very very very far away will need anything from us. We can’t get to these foreign planets yet because we haven’t evolved enough. Us as a species as the human beings wouldn’t be able to deal with that kind of power yet. We can barley hold off from bombing each other. If we keep moving the way we are moving now we wont have to fear aliens because we won’t exist. So now who do we have to fear but ourselves. But all is well or you can say is gonna be well and if it doesn’t than it doesn’t and we wouldn’t even know cause we are dead.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@nakedape,

Think about it like this. If another earth, by earth I mean another planet that is habitable, were close enough to travel to, and your planet was about to be destroyed, would you not go to that second earth and destroy anything that stood in your way of survival?

I think survival is just the basic animalistic instinct of life. Unless survival issues are met, life is always going to fight with other life for resources.

If the aliens we were to contact, were well off and didn’t need any resource, I think we would contact them and they would contact us for the reasons of wonder. If there just like us in the regard that they haven’t really seen any other planets that supports life, they would be intersted in communication with us.

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Thus Spoke Haze (102) (@ehsan) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@nakedape, Why so pessimistic? Humans do a lot of good shit too, we could be discovered by “scientific” aliens. It would be interesting to discuss philosophy with alien. Maybe they are searching for resources, but the resource is OUR INTELLECT!! haha

At the very least we would make cool pets for the aliens.

@stevenv, “But all is well or you can say is gonna be well and if it doesn’t than it doesn’t and we wouldn’t even know cause we are dead.” hell yeah. why even talk about it.

@monkeyzazu, You’re right. So many variables come into play, anything is possible.

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juangui3 (1) (@juangui3) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

Steven makes a very logical point when he says we haven’t evolved enough as a species to be able to handle that kind of power. Im not talking about evolving in the sense of growing bigger heads, or developing a sixth sense because there is no telling what our next evolutionary step will be as far as a physical change. But in order for any living species to get to a type 1 civilization where nuclear fusion is possible to have everlasting cheap energy without destroying our own planet, the species must first go through a spiritual evolution or maturation. In other words WORLD PEACE.

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2401PenitentTangent (39) (@drakonerythros) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

Stephen Hawking is no doubt one of the most brilliant minds of our time, but he makes a lot of assumptions. First of all, surely an alien race that has presumably mastered faster-than-light travel would have come to the conclusion long ago that humanity has come to fairly recently: Rare Earth metals are commonly found throughout the universe, and are extremely abundant in asteroids. There are private companies working towards that very goal right now: Asteroid mining and excavation. Therefore, elements and metals that may be rare on other planets can be found elsewhere, there is no need to invade another planet and kill all of its inhabitants for some metal or whatever they may need. It would be far more trouble than it would be worth. Extremely useful but rare metals that we are running out of on this planet will hopefully soon be a thing of the past. He also makes the assumption that just because humans are still a violent species towards one another, that all other species developed in the same way. I have no doubt we will find a mix of the two, species culturally similar to ours and those that are very different.

Perhaps the laws of the universe and the manipulation of those laws can only be reached at a certain point in a species development, perhaps similar to the one humans are in right now: Ignore what we are doing to our selves and our planet, and perish forever (Evolution at work) or move on and advance technologically to the point where we will be able to obtain faster than light travel. Either way, I think the message the both of them are trying to send is that humanity needs to get its shit together. I hope we don’t discover the technology to colonize other planets for a long, long time. Humanity as a whole is still way too primitive. We’re still in the ‘tribal’ state, so to speak. There needs to be a giant cultural shift before any more significant progress is made.

Either way, actually finding alien life is a pipe dream. Sure, no doubt we’ll bacteria or other low forms of life soon enough, but actual developed life like ourselves? I wouldn’t hold my breath. The universe is unfathomably big, it would be like looking for a specific grain of sand on a beach.

@nakedape, Source that we ‘murder 56 billion animals every year’?

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Anonymous (68) (@) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@nakedape, “The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like.”

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@drakonerythros,

I dont think its actually that many a year, but its still alot. I think what he was trying to do in his post was give a visual representation of what humanity does to other speicies that has the potential to benefit it. Everyone knows we slaughter many animals to maintain our food industries.

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2401PenitentTangent (39) (@drakonerythros) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@monkeyzazu, I completely disagree with that sentiment, but I will not argue because it would derail the thread and is not constructive to the discussion OP is trying to have.

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savmot (135) (@savmot) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

I think any peaceful aliens, just by observing us, would probably stay away from earth. I doubt we would be know for our peaceful tendencies ourselves.

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LifeInMyOpinionLIMO (51) (@dewanderingsage) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@drakonerythros

You have a similar thought process as me. But the trick to it all is to figure out how to initiate that cultural shift. Like, find that middle ground for the world as a whole to stand on.

I feel like us making contact with or even learning that intelligent extraterrestrial beings exist could be that spark. I pray we can start to get it together before then but that may be that kick to push us there.

If politics and religious difference would get out of the way, we’ll be traveling faster than light in no time.

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LifeInMyOpinionLIMO (51) (@dewanderingsage) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@savmot

Truth.

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2401PenitentTangent (39) (@drakonerythros) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@dewanderingsage, I definitely agree that learning of E.T. life could spark a technological and cultural revolution the likes of which we have never seen. But the issue of faster-than-light travel is a separate issue all together. I mean, we’re talking about literally bending the fabric of space and time to our will. 150 years ago atomic theory was extremely taboo and was only thought not to be crazy once chemistry experiments confirmed certain properties. I think that we have hundreds more years to go technologically if we’re talking about going on a ship, plotting a point in a different star system, and getting there in a reasonable amount of time.

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Tim (131) (@ceaseandassist) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

Which is why our space programs only receive, they do not send.

I’m pretty sure if aliens that are capable of navigating through light year distances will most likely be able to harvest the resources they need with ease from other planets that are uninhabited and won’t have to destroy civilizations to harvest such resources. Anyway, a species that is capable of galactic travel, I doubt, will come so far to dominate such an inferior species for the sake of conquering. Certainly, many civilizations have ruined other civilizations just slightly more backward. Either way, it would probably be bad for the human species at this point of our cosmic existence to encounter such an advanced species when we are destroying ourselves with our own technology. So, Imagine if technology far, far advanced from ours fell into human hands. Even right now technology is evolving much faster than we are socially and look what is happening now.
If we end up finding life, they will not be in technological lock-step with us. They will either be far, far ahead of us or way back. For example, what for us might seem technologically impossible, almost magic, might be trivially easy for them. So then, if they have reached such stages of advancement, I presume they have not destroyed themselves through ignorance. Therefore they may not come to merely conquer us, but maybe in more benevolent ways in order better understanding their own existence, etc.
(or maybe they’ll just probe our buttholes instead)

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becomingUndone (15) (@morro) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@nakedape Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDRXn96HrtY
I think that any species sufficiently advanced to master interstellar travel would #1 be so much more ridiculously advanced than us in every sense of the world (physically, mentally, technologically) that any sort of attempt to assimilate with them at this point in our evolutionary timescale would be futile. #2 I think that any alien species would very likely come in peace, because as a few people pointed out, to be able to travel through interstellar space, their technology would have to be ridiculously more advanced than ours is at the moment, so you could be virtually assured that energy problems and resources from earth would be pointless for them. and #3, even if they weren’t benign towards us, if they are capable of interstellar travel, enough to send an expeditionary (likely) shuttle to earth from another star, when we have not even detected any forms of alien life, then you can rest assured that it doesn’t even particularly matter what attitude they hold towards us, because we would be subject to their whims whether we like it or not. Look at how easily we have conquered every other species on the Earth. We’re the other species to them. If they really wanted to conquer us, there wouldn’t be an independence day/war of the worlds-esque scenario where we can fight them off, it would not be Cortez vs the Aztecs. It would be us vs monkeys in a technological standoff. And who’s going to win that one?

Cheers!

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Kidd (1,059) (@kidd) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

If intelligent life is anything like the life on Earth, I have to agree with Tyson…

Just think about the discovery of the Americas: that didn’t go well for the natives. And invaders were more advanced than them technology-wise. That didn’t mean they didn’t want more resources.

Hopefully, any intelligent life out there is truly intelligent and we won’t have to fear the taste of our own medicine. We hardly deserve the mercy, though.

This is just my two cents…I like to think we’re getting better, though.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@drakonerythros,

I hope you I didn’t offend you with my post. It wasn’t my intention. I wasn’t trying to start an argument, only further the disccusion.

Would aliens come here in peace if they saw what the dominent species of this planet does to other species? We as humans are more powerful and out wit other species on this planet for our benefit. So, if an alien race where to come here, meaning their sciences and technology would be advanced enough to do so, more advanced than ours, and they saw that we had resources they could benefit from, would they not do the same thing we do to other species? Like slaughtering animals for example?

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@kidd, I agree.

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2401PenitentTangent (39) (@drakonerythros) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@monkeyzazu, No offense taken, friend. Well the only reason why humans ‘manipulate’ these other species is because it is only natural to do so. It is for food (and also a whole shitload of other useful animal products that too numerous to name individually). That is nature. A hawk hunts and kills a mouse, because evolution has granted the hawk wings so that it can fly and snatch the mouse up for food. Tough shit, mouse. That is nature. There are a million further examples of this. Humans have been granted our intelligence and brain size through evolution (intelligence and brain size, might I add, that was attained with a diet of almost 100% red meat for thousands if not millions of years if you want to include our ancestors as well.) We use our intelligence to farm and consume animals on a mass scale to feed hundreds of millions of people. Tough shit, cows.

Now, it would be an entirely separate issue if we were to meet E.T. life that is an equal (or superior) intellectually. Do you really think if we met up with aliens who have mastered faster than light travel, the first thing we’re going to think is ‘Mmmm, that grey skinned thing with 8 arms sure does look delicious). No. I don’t think so. I would imagine that any alien race at some point has manipulated nature to it’s benefit to survive. In fact, I don’t have to imagine. A species HAS to manipulate nature to survive, whether a toad eating a fly or a human killing a cow. You HAVE to. Whether that is eating meat or plants, or you creating synthetic food (which, by the way, I would totally eat if it was proved to be nutritionally equivalent or superior to regular food). Humans are just starting to get into the process of creating synthetic meat, which I would imagine would spurn a whole bunch of other synthetic food. It’s estimated to be around 15-20 years to have synthetic meat that tastes good and is nutritionally sound.

Anyway, I would imagine an advanced alien race wouldn’t really judge us based on what we do to species lower than us on the evolutionary scale. Remember, despite our intelligence, humans are still animals, too. It is a guarantee that at some point in their history they did the exact same thing, manipulate nature entirely to their benefit. That’s what a successful species does. So it would be ludicrous to think that an alien species that has presumably mastered faster than light travel to come here of all places, would come here to kill us all and take our resources. You’re talking about technology that literally bends time and space to go faster than the speed of light, a number that humanity has not even attained 1 percent of even with our fastest rockets.

I mean, what do humans have here on Earth that isn’t abundant throughout the universe? We’ve already confirmed that elements and metals that are rare on Earth are extremely common on asteroids. Surely a species that would be more technologically advanced well beyond anything we could comprehend wouldn’t have to worry about resources. That’s probably a pre-requisite to obtaining that sort of technology anyway. You’re not going to be creating something that can bend time and space and shoot you faster than the fastest known limit in the entire universe on a budget.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@drakonerythros,

I’m only using the slaughter of animals as an example of how species who are more intelligent than other species use that intelligence to control and manipulate lower species for resources. I’m not trying to justify or in-justify humans manipulating animals. Im not saying that they would judge us for what we do to animals, I’m just saying use what we do to animals as an example of what they might do. This is just a bases for possibilites of whether or not aliens would come in peace if they were more intelligent than us. As you said, its natural for humans to manipulate other species for resources. So would it not be natural for more intelligent beings to manipulate us for resources?

I dont think its too out there to think that aliens would come here for resources. The one resource that is more abundant on earth than any other planet we have discoverd is water.

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Anonymous (145) (@) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

The hypothetical aliens who have the technology to travel light years (tens, hundreds, thousands?) need our oil, they will shoot us with their uzi’s and smoke our cigars. Who knows.

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Anonymous (145) (@) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

Although i have this hypothesis that they have visited planet earth millions or billions of years ago and created human organism by combining their genetic makeup with that of neanderthals so that, with them guiding our evolution, our consciousnesses will eventually be synthesized into one giant machine which will allow the controller to manipulate the universal energies and laws thus becoming god-like…and getting extremely bored.

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Cjk92 (5) (@cokurth) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

Dude I hope so. It depends on what they “come” for. I’d say we got a 50/50 shot.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@whowhatwhy,

Ancient astronaut theory…

You should check out UFO Highway.

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Anonymous (145) (@) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@monkeyzazu, i’m not really into the UFO truth movement but i definitely think that there is more to ancient history than meets the common eye. For example the elongated skulls from south america and the ancient gigantic structures from all around the world, some of which are a mind blowing feat of engineering.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@whowhatwhy,

UFO Highway has nothing to do with ufos really. Its a book written by Andrew Sanchez and its about how an ex military operative that used to work at some underground base in new mexico where they keep greys. Supposedly these greys gave them information explaining how they got there and how we came into existence, which was from there masters giving ancient man there DNA so they could mate with them to continue there race. Thus we were created. Its much deeper than that, but thats the bases of it.

And many peole think the way you think. The Ancient Astronaut Theory thinks that the gods of the old were really just extraterrestrials with really advanced technology. Have you ever watched the show Ancient Aliens? If not, you should. I think you would like it.

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